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Speaks Polish?: A few words like tak, dobre, uwaga. No, I don't speak Polish.
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DougTales   
29 Apr 2012
History / Poland did reasonably well in land terms out of the postwar settlement [270]

I think it is necessary to correct common historical falsehoods, as those are frequently used to dupe the public to support new wars. For instance "appeasement" is actually a good thing. When appeasement was abandoned war was the result.

As you know there are many Polish in Ireland, so far all I have met were decent people.
DougTales   
29 Apr 2012
History / Poland did reasonably well in land terms out of the postwar settlement [270]

This guarantee made Poland confident enough to declare war against Germany in March 1939.

That's a new one on me. Where did you dream up this fantasy?

Of course for PR reasons there was no open declaration of war by the Polish government, but their behaviour was a de-facto declaration of war:

- making their military ready,
- outrageous provocations,
- refusal to negotiate.

I am referring to the partly mobilisation of their military on on 23 March 1939 (completed on 30 August). Further Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the German city of Danzig. Further the growing Polish campaign of terror and dispossession against the one and a half million ethnic Germans under Polish rule (same for Lithuanians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, even until the 1950s public use of other languages than Polish was forbidden in Poland).

All of that escalated in March 39 because of the British/French guarantee.

FDR played also a big part in this.

bit.ly/tSWZCj

"Nine months before the outbreak of armed conflict, on 2 December 1938, Biddle told Burckhardt

'with remarkable satisfaction that the Poles were ready to wage war over Danzig. They would counter the motorized strength of the German army with agile maneuverability. 'In April,' he [Biddle] declared, 'a new crisis would break out. Not since the torpedoing of the Lusitania [in 1915] had such a religious hatred against Germany reigned in America as today! Chamberlain and Daladier [the moderate British and French leaders] would be blown away by public opinion. This was a holy war!,[21]'"

"In the West," the Ambassador told Szembek, "there are all kinds of elements openly pushing for war: the Jews, the super-capitalists, the arms dealers. Today they are all ready for a great business, because

they have found a place which can be set on fire: Danzig; and a nation that is ready to fight: Poland.

They want to do business on our backs. They are indifferent to the destruction of our country. Indeed, since everything will have to be rebuilt later on, they can profit from that as well."[30]

See also:

wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html

No area was added to Poland without plebiscite, What are you rubbishing about ?

LOL.
In the so-called corridor and in the area around Poznan there were no plebiscites. It was simply conquered.

Further in Działdowo (Soldau), Grudziądz (Graudenz), Chełmno (Kulm), Brodnica (Strasburg) and Toruń (Thorn) was no plebiscite even though all of these cities were clearly Old Prussian, not Polish.

In Upper Silesia was a plebiscite, when that was won by Germany the Allies took off Eastern Upper Silesia and added it to Poland.

Further let's talk about Southern Lithuania, Belarus and Western Ukraine. No plebiscite either, there areas were conquered by the Polish army and added into their state.

I don't mean the frontier of the year 1914 but also Greater Polish cities like Lodz were annexed to Germany.

Check the timeline.
The first German peace offer was in early Sep 39. It included
- going back to status quo ante,
- Germany pays Poland for any war-related damages,
- Danzig is allowed to join Germany
- the railway/autobahn through the corridor (passing without interference by Polish officials)

This was rejected by Chamberlain.
THEN in Oct 39 Posen was annexed, and in November 39 Lodz was annexed - if for real or as bargaining chip - we will never know.

The next phase was after the Sitzkrieg, the occupation of Denmark, Norway, Benelux and France. Chamberlain resigned, Churchill became Prime MInister.
The new German peace offer still included an independent Polish state, but the Germans would probably not be satisfied with less than pre-1914 German borders. We will never know for sure because Churchill and Vansittart were strictly against any peace agreement with a strong Germany as result.

Only AFTER THAT British refusal the decision was made to make "old germanic Weichselland" (the remaining Generalgouvernement) a German province like Tibet or Hawaii.

What the Nazis did in Poland was not a normal occupation but a systematic program to annihilate the Polish nation and millions of Polish individuals.

That is what the victorious Allies are telling us. And they tell a lot of BS.
DougTales   
29 Apr 2012
USA, Canada / Living in Poland - prospects for Alabama guy ... need some advice! [146]

I wouldn't HAVE to work, per se, but everybody's gotta do SOMETHING. What would I do?

Do whatever you LOVE to do.

Maybe you can start to learn a new sport, musical instrument, or technology.
Get acquainted with the subject of "unschooling" - this will benefit your child later a lot.
DougTales   
8 Apr 2012
History / Poland did reasonably well in land terms out of the postwar settlement [270]

Gdansk as other cites and citizens of the Teutonic Order, "voted" to become subject of the king of Poland.

Yeah, for tax reasons (and other issues).
That doesn't mean they were Polish or wanted to be Polish, especially later during the age of romantic nationalism.

And contrary to the principle of self-determination after WW1 many areas were wrongly added to Poland without plebiscite. Same as what happened to those Hungarians who were forced to join Slovakia and Romania.

Look, Germany started two world wars.

I beg to differ.

WW1 was triggered by the conflict between Austria-Hungary and Serbia over the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and his wife.
Russia felt obligated to help Serbia.
Germany felt obligated to help Austria.
France had a treaty with Russia and anyway wanted revenge against Germany for 1870.
UK wanted to get rid of the emerging competitor Germany.
Turkey wanted revenge against Russia.
Everybody wanted to redraw some borders.

WW2 was essentially triggered by the British-French guarantee for Poland. This guarantee made Poland confident enough to declare war against Germany in March 1939. More on that in Poland and Britain started WW2

it was only logical and fair in the big scale of the picture, that the attempt of Nazi Germany not only to destroy the Polish state but also the Polish nation and culture would take a tribute or a payback from Germany.

On the contrary, in the peace offer of Hitler to Churchill after Dunkirk 1940 an independent Polish state was part of the offer.

However, after that offer was rejected (see e.g. bbc.co.uk/history/events/churchill_decides_to_fight_on) the decision was made to change the Generalgouvernement into something like

English-Ireland,
French-Algeria,
American-Hawaii,
Russian-Kazakhstan or
Chinese-Uyghuristan.

See, there we have the five United Nations Security Council veto powers. They did/do EXACTLY THE SAME what Germany was accused of: incorporating another nation.

This double-standard is just not right.
DougTales   
6 Apr 2012
History / Mulitlingual town signs LT, BY, UA [5]

I agree with you that it should be an ornament for every European city or village to have more than just one name. My problem is that I think it's very difficult to impose bilingual town signs if the local populace does not cooperate.

In the Spanish part of the Basque Country there are bilingual signs (Basque and Spanish) and the Spanish part is frequently sprayed over with graffiti. I think it depends on HOW it is communicated and implemented.

The Basque wish for more independence/autonomy is regularly ignored by the Madrid government. Big issue of disrespect.

Besides that some towns have four or five different names, like the city of Lwów (Polish), L'viv – Львів (Ukrainian), L'vov – Львов (Russian), Lemberg (German), Lemberik (Yiddish). All these nations had significant minorities in the past of the city. Do you want to see all there different names on the official town sign?

That is why I wrote at least 40% of the population for at least 200 years to prevent cluttering of a town sign.
DougTales   
31 Mar 2012
History / Mulitlingual town signs LT, BY, UA [5]

Yes that would be great because I think it is part of the rich heritage of Europe and should not be forgotten but cherished.

Also it promotes peace and understanding when those things are acknowledged.
DougTales   
18 Mar 2012
History / Mulitlingual town signs LT, BY, UA [5]

I think it would be nice if Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine would have multi-lingual town signs not only for cities/villages with a current significant Polish minority but also in every town where in the past were at least 40% or so of the city/village population were Polish for at least 100 years.

It would be nice to have something to remember the Polish heritage in these countries.

What do you think of the chances of getting such an agreement with these three countries?
Of course such an agreement would have to be reciprocal.

actually, make that better at least 200 years