UK, Ireland / Are Polish people moving back home from the UK? [68]


Reading the comments in the Guardian i'd say the opposite was true.

An education doesn't help if you are stupid to start with.


No need to defend yourself against this reptile Roz.


It couldn't.


This was a highly significant concern for a high proportion of voters.


Is that a round about way of saying that the working class couldn't deal with their incomes dropping by 25%. The lack of jobs for school leavers. Intimidation ... the list goes on.

Ziemowit you are over thinking it. When your home doesn't feel like your own. Its a problem.

News / 10 year prison sentence for Polish lorry driver who killed 4 people while driving and using his mobile phone [90]

Nice Ironside. Nice. LOL

News / 10 year prison sentence for Polish lorry driver who killed 4 people while driving and using his mobile phone [90]

I wonder how much the sentence will be reduced by if he applies for a transfer to a Polish prison.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


You said that about Brexit


A true believer


Agreed. Some people will never learn.


Jon get yourself out to the not so nice parts of the UK and see how its working. Its boiling over.


And money will grow on trees.


You seem to think the EU holds the trump card. It doesn't. It's doomed in exactly the same way as the Russian Communist empire fell. After all it is modelled on it and has many communists at the helm. Its sounds very much like you want thought control. Reminds me of a book I once read ...

The UK will have its freedom, Nichola will quieten down once she realises the futility of abandoning the union and the Scot's will find someone to represent them as an important member of the union. People will have hope once again and most importantly we will have our borders. Destiny is ours and from this will emerge a great leader like Margaret Thatcher.

UK, Ireland / London's POSK smeared with anti-Polish grafitti [150]


Not making excuses for the appalling behaviour but your questioners are hardly likely to know this really. I knew simply because I grew up in a village with several Polish families. If only we could know everything, but then it would be a boring old place, this world.


He's probably right and ultimately the EU will have a lot to answer for.

UK, Ireland / How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here? [474]

Sometimes its nice to say I told you so. (This or another thread)

Now for the Domino effect

UK, Ireland / How might Britain`s withdrawal from EU affect Poles there and here? [474]


They sure do Doug and its not the in the EU.


Thats so funny Jon


Sadly labour voters are the ones who were damaged by Tony's open door policy in 2004. They are not going to forget that for donkeys years. Labour are screwed. Damned if they do. Damned if they don't.

I could pick out rubbish from almost each and every post on hear.

This thread is hilarious. About as much connection with reality as Dirty Dave and Clueless Corbyn. Even some Poles in the UK want us to vote out. I've yet to meet someone who is voting IN apart from the misfits and never do wells handing out leaflets (or at least attempting to) in my local town centre. Every day that passes is another car crash for the REMAIN campaign. Cameron will surely be gone which ever way it swings. He has told too many lies. Even the the Guardians readership is drifting to BREXIT. Sorry I misled you. I met one INNER and he ran off when asked what he saw as the benefits of staying in. Even Jon's 'educated' ones are turning to BREXIT, although one poor lass was voting in because roaming charges where cheaper now in the EU. Educated dummies a lot of them.

I see again Farage is attacked for stating the obvious(UKIPS new poster campaign). Probably would have been more sensible for the remainers not to comment instead of bringing it to the attention of everyone that there are nearly no women or children in the picture of ?refugees?. All news is good news.

Terrible news concerning a Labour MP being shot and stabbed today. Hopefully its unconnected to the referendum.

As you can probably tell I'm for OUT and on the day, I'll be monitoring a voting station for the leave campaign. We don't want to see the discrepancies seen recently in Europe.

As for sending 400,000 people home. Don't be daft. It would be in nobodies interest.

News / Cameron's EU reform good for Poland [95]


I was going to say parallel universe. Quite interesting thinking and he spends so much time delivering this rubbish.


We will exclude Poland from that then given recent events and misuse of the EAW.


Of course the UK has more clout than PL in the EU as its a contributor. As for Brexit being shortsighted, I think not. Even with a get out clause on Euro bail outs, the UK still had to stump up for Greece. How much will Portugal, Italy and France cost and can Mario print the Euros fast enough. I doubt it. Those at the top are all looking a little weary now. Its at tipping point and can only end very badly. The nationalists are on the rise. Poland is prodding the bear. A wave of displaced persons sweeping across Europe. Good luck with all that.

I'm voting out in case you hadn't guessed.

News / Cameron's EU reform good for Poland [95]


Believe me he won't. His position is unsustainable.


It might just be a female who keeps them in her handbag :-)


Boris no chance. His wife kicks arse and has been his mouthpiece over the last few weeks. If people had been following her in the Telegraph they would have known pretty much which way Boris was going to swing.

At least 100 Tory MP's siding with the out campaign. Some have it at 165. Some of the inners in the cabinet will be exposed as "outers" that thought more about their political futures, rather than the countries over the next few weeks. Henceforth it will be bad day after bad day for "Call me Dave".

News / Cameron's EU reform good for Poland [95]


Really with all that QE. You really sure about that with Portugal almost back at the point of its bailout, Italy not far behind, France in state of financial emergency and Deutsche Bank having to fend off accusations of insolvency. The dream is a busted flush. Its almost over. Given these facts would you rush to a Euro country to do business. I thought not.

Now might be a good time to buy a high end beemer as with a tariff coming in as you suggest then maybe it will cost nothing to run for a couple of years. It won't happen. They may try.


We will see. With Cameron well on his way out, the PC Brigade finished, all thats needed is a PM with balls. The odds on exit are running 7/4 now that Boris has come out.

All sad but inevitable.

News / Cameron's EU reform good for Poland [95]


BBC reckon thats the way its going to swing('just on the news'). Question Time has been interesting over the last few weeks with inners very much in a minority. During the last episode, the inners had to be cajoled into putting their hands up. What was particularly surprising was the last

one in Stratford on Avon, which is barely touched by immigration, almost certainly fell on the side of Leave with a large majority.

This may point to the fact that immigration isn't the only burning issue. Could it be the fact the EU is built on a Soviet style model, where a voice of dissent, was silenced by the Gulags? The westernised version is political correctness and destroying those who don't toe the line.

Who knows what the plan is? One things for sure, in or out, its not going to end pretty. There is of course the burning question, "What has the EU done for the UK? For a lot of people, its brought low wages, higher rents, longer waiting times at the doctors, overcrowded schools, and intolerable neighbours. For me, out and rebuild before the ugliness is the only sensible option.


That may well of held true a decade or more ago. England's changed and they even charge to view the Sun Online. To be fair, Camerons pretty much been slaughtered across the board today in the media. His time as PM is done. Boris may leapfrog, Osbourne and May, simply by having the courage of his own convictions and doing whats right for the country rather than Call Me Dave's crumbling career.

Life / If UK votes to leave the EU - what repercussions for British people living in Poland? [32]


I thought I made it clear at the bottom with my Nigel comment that it was most unlikely that I thought anyone would be sent home. I think the Spanish would be pretty much devastated. The only thing that might become questionable is land ownership.

And Scotland come on. They are a bit buggered now aren't they. Building an economy on oil that they might have. Ooops! Well that blew up in that parasites Salmond face didn't it. The question might be who they would rather be saved by. The union or the unknown.

I have no doubt we will leave.

Life / If UK votes to leave the EU - what repercussions for British people living in Poland? [32]


I think not. More likely a points based system. What would the point of it all been?


And Spain is going to cut off a valued source of income :-)


Why not we collect them from everywhere else. :-)

In the words of Hugh Cornwell "Something better change". It could be the kick up the arse thatcher gave the country that brought us out the doldrums.

I saw Nigel a couple of weeks ago and he stated categorically that no one was getting thrown out.

Law / Wife runs off with a child from Poland to England after splitting from her husband. Education of their son. [8]

Before you waste money on a lawyer speak to reunite.org

There is plenty that can be done to resolve this properly.

Law / Family law in Poland - want the Polish children back to the Irish courts [53]


Hopefully you read the associated child laws from Ireland which form part of this.


No its up to her to prove facts, she abducted the children from their habitual residence. She is in the wrong.


Our interpretation of this will be wildly different to a courts. The fact is that it is the state that protects the children and without doubt the Irish state can provide the care required for this family. It has to be said the opposite is true in Poland. This will not please a few on here.


How did they survive before? The state will provide as they did before. The mother screwed up and has incurred a boat load of expense. It would have been far simpler to do it right in the first place. IE go to court and come to an agreement with the father and the courts. The courts often agree the children can go back to live in Poland, especially if the mother can be trusted. Now, she can hardly be considered good mother material.

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If only these Mothers/Fathers took sensible advice (not from their friends) before vanishing with the kids. Its not rocket science and if they live with an abusive partner, the courts would definitely take a positive view, whereas you disappear with kids and your the one looking incredibly bad. The most common excuse for not going through the court is, I didn't have time. You didn't have time, but you had time to plan it. You can get in a family court the same day in the UK.

Law / Family law in Poland - want the Polish children back to the Irish courts [53]

I think if people read the Hague Convention and related Child articles it may actually stop them writing inaccurate information here.

The point of it to bring the two parents and the the child/children back to the starting point, before the child/children were abducted. Its not for a court in the country where the children were abducted to,to decide what is right for the children. It is for the court who has jurisdiction over the children, which without doubt in this case, is the Irish court.

The article 13 defence, which says a child should not be returned to a place of danger, is very difficult to prove, as its most likely going to be uncorroborated verbal/written evidence from the from the abducting parent who has every reason to lie.

The critical action which should be taken here is that the Hague application should be made immediately and before any financial worries are considered. You don't even have to go to court in Poland in reality, although it wouldn't be helpful.

Law / Family law in Poland - want the Polish children back to the Irish courts [53]


Tell me you are kidding. Thats the worst thing to do. Really poor advice.

Trust in the Hague. My partner and I won because the court has to respect the Hague. They of course will try anything to use Polish Law, but be strong, tell them they are wrong, and that they should seek advice from the Supreme Court before taking the wrong path.

Your first port of call should be reunite.org They will provide you with all you need information wise. Most Polish lawyers don't have a clue and will see you as a cash cow. Be careful. Your position is extremely strong. Don't panic and think through everything you do before you do it. It is important you look good to the Polish court. If you need someone to talk to that been through the Polish system, contact me through this site.


It needn't cost you a fortune. In your situation 2/3 court appearances should suffice. Just don't spend money without a very good reason. Get your Hague application in without delay. It will most likely be returned as they have to find fault with it. Its the Polish way. You should be in court within 3 months and I would like to think they would be back well inside 6 months. Prepare yourself for some hideous accusations from your ex. Worse than you can image as the only defence is Article 13 which says a child cannot be returned to a place of danger.

I wish you good luck.

UK, Ireland / Modern day slavery in the UK [36]


Maybe its a bit insensitive to those who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own. I was talking about those that make their way there through alcohol, drugs etc. I stand corrected.


Maybe those that deserve the resources will be cared for. That would be a positive outcome.

UK, Ireland / Modern day slavery in the UK [36]


This is a byproduct of plain nasty people. I'm not saying these individual cases are part of a wider scam that perpetuates from Poland, but there is a likelihood. Perhaps its escaped other posters attention that 'entrepreneurs' based in Poland have been rounding up the less fortunate, herding them over to the UK to scam the benefit system, and when the numbers up, leaving these unfortunates in the same position as previously posted. It follows a similar vain to what I am led to believe, is quite a popular tactic for defrauding the banks in Poland. A loser is picked up from the streets, the identity of some unwitting soul who has passed away is transferred to our loser, then sometime later, a large sum of money is borrowed and our loser gets the fallout if he's really unlucky. I'm sure it happens here to.

UK, Ireland / Polish Migration to the UK - A moderate speaks! [41]


Who you trying to kid LOL


Give four or five years it will be back to the torn up newspaper.


Sadly thats the scenario in many a small town. Particularly those that have seen large inward investment to provide employment for the locals. Then came the rise of the employment agency. Then the reasonably paid jobs that paid a mortgage turned to minimum wage unreliable incomes that couldn't support a family. These places are now blighted. Property prices are stagnant or decreasing slowly. Repossessions are at high as there is no real chance of recovery in the foreseeable future. A tragedy for all. The locals feel like foreigners, the majority of the aliens have nothing to return too and no prospect of acheiving more than the minimum, and those that have bought property in the last 4 or five years, especially those enticed by 95% mortgages are trapped for ever more with no prospect of achieving greater than the first rung of the economic ladder and the prospect of waiting ten years for the home to make the price they paid for it if ever.

UK, Ireland / The Poles in Britain - a history by BBC Magazine [25]


Mostly because some put more effort in. The old adage, "You reap what you sow" is particularly relevant to all immigrants to any country. The bar is set pretty low. You can meander along on the bottom rung of the ladder with zero ambition or start the day with an "I can" attitude and when you find you can't, fix the problem that blocks the way. For most that means learning the native language of their destination.


I don't even see them as opinions, just basic facts that any person arriving should be prepared with. Come without and your chances of achieving are little more than winning the lottery. Do you not realise the tide has turned in the UK. Things have changed. The socialist experiment has failed.


Who? What? Where?

Grow up.

UK, Ireland / The Poles in Britain - a history by BBC Magazine [25]


Ever thought for a moment he may be speaking the truth. I've heard the same from several successful Poles I've met here in the UK. Coming to the UK with no English and sold on fantasy stories of wealth beyond your dreams on the day you arrive in the UK; you are a dead duck. Why? You're fellow Poles are waiting for you. They'll chew you up and spit you out. There no easier target than a fellow countryman when you can't speak English. 16 to a three bedroomed house. £300 pounds a month to sleep on the floor. Nice! Not so bad if your young though. Some amazingly bring their kids to this situation.


I think you will find every newspaper except for the Guardian carries the same stories these days. The broads may be less sensationalist but the comments below are equally strong if not more articulate. Things are going to change. Not dramatically, but coming without a word of English will become more difficult.


Life isn't a bed of roses. He is just telling you how it is. Simply, the nasty people feed off the vulnerable and ill informed. It's a shame that their own kind are at the forefront. If you are learning Polish, you should learn an important part of their culture too. I'll help. Most are more than happy to accept favours but there is no such thing as reciprocation. You will have to pay. They are not embarrassed to ask either. That a cultural difference.

USA, Canada / Filing for divorce (US guy with a Polish lady) [5]


Wrong answer. It will be quicker in the States and cheaper in the long run.


We know of one on year 7.

UK, Ireland / Polish mum wants to take child back to Poland [10]


Its abduction no matter which way you want to dress it up.


It does not matter if it is or isn't on the certificate.


If she is living in the UK then this is not an excuse. There are many support organisations to assist in "real" situations.

My advice to you is contact reunite.org as a matter of urgency and follow their advice to the letter. If you don't, then expect life to be hell for a minimum of three years.

Good luck. You will need it. By the way being involved in the abduction of a minor could land you with a minimum 2.5years in Poland. You are already assisting.

UK, Ireland / Polish mum wants to take child back to Poland [10]


If she leaves without his consent then its parental abduction. The law will be on his side. I believe the law has changed in Poland and it is now possible to abduct your own child.

For the sake of £200 at the county court she should do it right in the first instance and then be able to sleep at night not worrying who is going to knock the door.

Law / Polish divorce - there is next to no help available from the law! [11]

Polish divorce is best avoided on all fronts. It doesn't benefit the child if there is one involved in the slightest.

My advice to anybody about to get divorced is start it in your own country, not Poland. Get in first or most likely suffer the consequences like the OP.

Law / Bank papers translated from English to Polish by a sworn translator? [6]


It does have a bearing. For example a taxi from Poznan Airport to the Mother in Laws costs my partner 15-20Zlt. It rarely costs me less than 40Zlt.

Love / The sexual lives of Polish immigrants (they have more sex than in Poland?) [16]

Funny I was having a similar conversation with one of my company directors last week. His opinion on why there was mass movement to the UK was sexual freedom. Not living with the extended family for example. Strange they should choose such an inhibited country.

News / Poland's economic future? [294]


You quite obviously didn't read the article properly.


Yes countless unemployed Poles to pay for.