UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

See i think this is my issue. In cumbria we didn't have a large influx of eu nationals, and my mother only lives in a tiny village there. Not that I was restricted to that village by any means, but the bigger towns near us didn't and still don't have anything like this.

In tyne and wear, more specifically south shields where I live now the biggest nationality is Indian due to the marine college I study at. Everyone is marine, and the biggest groups are the InCa or Indian Collaboration groups. There are massive indian communities, at least 50% off the population is Indian, a lot of them being merchant navy students. The issue I can understand is this: they all have part time, cash in hand jobs at the local curry shops. There is a lot of indian restaurants in south shields, we have the famous curry mile on ocean road, and it does prevent a lot of people getting jobs without the right qualifacations.

A lot of them now have 3rd gen british/indian children in the schools, my old estate was nicknamed little delhi, and it was very much so, it was hard to leave the house and not smell a curry.

Interesting fact: Indians think people in the UK smell of dairy products. The indian lads at the MC tell us this all the time.

They are also very very rude towards women. It gets very irritating. As uniform has to be standard for uk marine students, white shirt black tie, us girls decide that it looks much smarter for us to be in skirts and and appropriate shoes with tights. It is encouraged by the Capts because trousers always look scruffy. The comments we get from them are just unreal! We have 3 or 4 Indian Capts working at the college and they are constantly yelling at the INCA's over derogatory remarks made in Indian as we pass.

It can actually be quite nerving because they congregate outside the only ladies toilets we have access to, and they stand in groups of maybe 20 or so, and they're all leering when you try to get through etc.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

Exactly.

We need more enforcement here, we're too damn soft.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

I have yet to meet any brits in the north of the uk with an issue with the poles living here. And there are a lot in newcastle areas. Yes illegal immigrants i dislike, i think it is unneccessary. There is a huge lack of housing in the uk widely broadcast by the govt figures. EU people have a right to affordable housing in britain, and i can't think of any poles who would have to use fake id in order to live here. They don't have to live like sardines to afford it if they are paid a fair wage and have access to social housing units. That is the whole idea of social housing.

Please do not take what i said out of context. I said slightly overstaying your visa when settled with a family in the uk is kinda alright. Meaning as long as they get it sorted, get it renewed, apply again whatever. It is not fair on their children.

And immigrants who are here legally do not generally work cash in hand. When places which pay cash in hand are raided etc it is normally illegal immigrants working there who are carrying fake or no id, and they are usually deported. Like i said, normally, usually, and generally. I cannot obviously speak for every situation.

It is good for the uk to have eu nationals come live and work here. Yes we need less people, so the people who live here legally i.e. brits, eu nationals, and legal immigrants can live and work properly. We need the illegal immigrants gone, not everybody.

Look at the national figures. Off all immigrants in the uk, most have absconded. They cannot be found to be deported. Thats what we need to work on. We get them out and pay the cost. Don't kid yourself that the uk would be ok without foreign nationals whether eu or non-eu living and working here. Why do you think we opened immigration open borders in the first place?

Look at the state of the country. We can't fix it on our own.

And as long as your friends from non-eu are here legally they have nothing to worry about. Benefits will be available to them to assist.

And we deport criminals non-eu and eu who are wanted or have outstanding arrest warrants.

Don't blame it on EU nationals. You wanna stop them coming here, then they have every right to stop us going there. Which means no moving to russia, no moving to spain, poland, france, italy, romania, anywhere. Sit and languish in the good old uk with the governments who keep screwing us over.

And when we refuse to help out neighbour countries when they are suffering, or they refuse to help us when iraq strike back whatever, have fun in the hostile situations it will cause.

Life / Observation of Polish drivers, by and English anthropologist. [94]

when i worked at the farm in cumbria when i still lived there we got red diesel. I have a tractor licence, and i got dipped by the police so many times. Hige fines for having red diesel out on the streets. Funny thing is only 10 miles between the two farms and its all country roads. Dual engines so damn expensive though.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

See I do not vote in the elections in the UK. I refuse to take any part in politics. I have strong views on politics, but I don't want to be part of it. politicians are liars. They cheat, spend money like its going out of fashion, lie and generally ruin the country. People say if i have views on politics i should vote or not discuss it, but it isn't that i don't want to vote. its that i don't agree wholly with any parties policies. I love politics, but if i don't vote, when it goes to pot i can say with a clear conscience i hate what you did. I don't think people have a right to whinge about the govt if they voted them in.

Every election I go through each parties policies and look at the merits and dismerits. I can never justify voting one in if i do not agree wholly with the whole policy.

UKIP probably has the best general policies, but their main thing is independance from the EU which I will never vote for. That is what makes GB what it is. Labour screwed us again and again, and i don't agree with the cons, lib dems or BNP. I hate the BNP with a passion.

The minor parties have good intentions, but never anything concrete. We need a party that supports the EU, supports gay rights, supports public spending in the right way, and who will do something about open boarders to non-eu nationals.

We need an EU party. hmmmmm might start me own. :)

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

no more tax. our tax is bad enough :(

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

i asked the sheep and they definitely prefer welsh. something about smaller willies and hands?

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

indeed it is our great welshmen who enjoy their fluffy cloud like companions a little too much ;)

sht

you have totally contradicted me.

I believe eu nationals being free to roam the eu as they please is a brilliant thing. it is amazing and helps to create less conflicts between neighbour countries.

Immigration, or rather the idea of it, is not a bad thing either. It can work to promote a country.

What is damaging uk national and eu citizens who wish to reside in the uk is the fact labour screwed up, let too many people in, didn't get the illegals out, and naffed out leaving us with the mess to sort out.

why else would a country who has been staunchly labour since maggie thatcher therefore vote in a lib-con coalition government?

We don't even like the cons.

yes my country is in a state, we have illegals all over the damn thing, we have no money, we're billions of pound in debt, we have america up our a$$es over iraq, and the media are blaming the wrong people all together.

But that is the media not us. You think we wanted immigration to be open that much? Do you think labour put that in their manifesto when we voted them in again? No, which is why they have no power now.

You need to accept the UK is happy to accept a level of immigration. We are happy to have EU citizens reside here. Its good for the economy, but neither uk or EU citizens can work, or have a decent level of housing due to the sheer fact of non-EU immigrants. The amount of illegal immigrants is astounding. We're in a huge recession and we can't even get jobs cleaning the toilets or in factories because illegals will take a lower wage and cash in hand. it saves money and taxes. No EU nationals including brits can find work.

Now, we pay the cost as a country, all down to one idiot political party. Just brill.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

EXACTLY.

And we do blame our politicians. We hate them. Just look at my previous post. The govt screwed us over.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

Off course you can be racist. It is still racism. The same as it is racism when you talk about serbs, egyptians, greeks, irish, scottish, welsh, english. Why is it not racism? Racism is not just the colour of a persons skin. And Pakistani's, Indians, Somali's, Africans are criticised as well. Not so in the media but by british residents. Our govt fcuked up. Don't you get that? And we are paying for it. All the Iraquis who come in on the back of lorries, we pay for them. And that includes everybody who is living in the UK legally, poles, brits, africans, everybody. If you are living in the UK now, you are paying for the mistakes Labour left behind. There is no issue with poles being in the uk, or any europeans for that matter. Its amazing that you even want to live in the uk, considering the state of it. Eu citizens have freedom to come and go and i think its brilliant. Don't tar all brits with the same brush. That my friend is racism.

In fact read some brit newspapers. The biggest group of people whinged about in the uk media is benefit scroungers. Every day new stories about benefit scroungers. They drain resources, along with illegal immigrants.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

but I agree with you, you are exactly right. I agree with EU nationals, and what I should have said earlier when I said going about it in the right way, I was referring to asylum seekrs, who enter through the proper channels. I hate the fact we have illegal immigrants, but I do think a level of immigration is good for a country. GB has lost control of it, and brits hate that. We lose a lot of money on illegal immigrants which we then have to pay for in council tax and the like. I love having EU nationals in the UK, its a good thing. Illegal immigrancy isn't, and our government needs to do more about it. And yes uk border force does show a lot of illegals absconding whilst waiting for paperwork to deport, but there are still a lot deported the media don't report about. our media are stupid. Read the times or the independant, much more likely to not mention poles etc.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

see if we sorted out the illegals, then the real eu citizens could have decent jobs and not live in overcrowded houses like i said earlier. however grubas jumped down my neck and said we should make all immigrants legal. he seems to have switched his opinion slightly on that.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

Grubas i know how you feel, but it is our media that you are referring to, not us ourselves. you know my feelings on eu nationals in GB, i love it, but it is the illegals the brits themselves have an issue with. and uk border force does highlight this as well, especially with the dover calais ferries, and the people trying to escape the "jungle" as it is called.

to be honest i don't read the rags, because they are filled with rubbish, and the eu nationals ,and the brits, i know, understand this.

the sun, the mirror, news of the world, daily sport, all the rest of the red tops just tend to print stuff without checking it factually.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

I like living in a multinational country. i dislike the illegal immigrants who get status like her. eu nationals have a right to be here, i like the fact they do. we are all in the eu, it helps people in many different ways. she has no ties to this country, and i'm sure her children could go to school in denmark or somalia.

Life / Observation of Polish drivers, by and English anthropologist. [94]

i happen to like the two fingered salute. much more effective than the middle finger, especially when my fourth finger tries to stick up with it. My thumb can only hold one out of control finger down at a time :)

bloody frogs. It would be much easier everyone driving the same. I do want to actually sit my driving test at some point (i have done the lessons, just didn't take the test) but i know i will be moving away from this blessed island when i graduate in the merch and i'm too scared to learn over here and then make stupid mistakes when i move abroad. I'm likely to cause a massive pile up on a roundabout or similar.

Its so much easier driving ships. We all follow the same rules and regs. Although much scarier if you crash the ship than a car!!

Life / Observation of Polish drivers, by and English anthropologist. [94]

ahh see now you mention the knight thing i believe i recall this explanation from maybe primary school or something. i did have my own horse when i was younger but funnily enough i don't own a sword so it would never occur to me lol.


ahh see dilemma again? are you sure we're not the back to front country? or maybe we were the only country who figured out not to hurt the poor horse?

my hangover still doesn't comprehend. :(

Life / Observation of Polish drivers, by and English anthropologist. [94]

does anyone know why my idiotic country drives on the wrong side? i don't drive but it terrifies me driving with friends anywhere else because i feel i'm back to front.

i would google this but i need a simple explanation due to the very large hangover manifesting in my head.

ow.

also that is some scary driving on the first video. if we drove like that on the m6 or m1 it wouldn't end pretty. Althoug english drivers seem to have that massive road rage problem i don't see with other eu drivers on the ferries. When i'm at work the other eu drivers are always the nicest when boarding, its the english who are really impatient and don't listen.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]


i am british, as pointed out by my use of the word lorry :P

and i am perfectly well aware of the fact polish are european and have free entry to the uk and other european countries, i was referring to immigration as a whole in the uk and the fact that non-eu immigrants illegal in the uk make it just as hard for polish people to live and work here. I am all for poles living and working in the uk especially since my boyfriend is a pole. i'd rather all of us lived happily without having to worry about illegal immigrants taking all the jobs, being paid cash in hand, and taking up housing needed for eu residents.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

grubas you are a horrible little man.

i appreciate immigrants in the uk. i think its a good thing. i think europe needs to be multiracial in every country. you however need to learn your facts. and please read again what i said earlier. illegal immigration is bad for everybody living in the uk, brits, poles, africans, americans, everybody. not just brits, everyone. housing shortages, money shortages, a budget thats gone to the shi*ter. And this is because of illegal immigrancy. How the frick can we make it all legal, when we are already overcrowded? so yes please come to my island, but please do it through the right channels.

and for the amount of overstayed visas we have, we are not as strict as america at letting people legally into the country. student visas, work visas, residency and more so you are european. you can come and go as you wish.... you don't have to sneak in on the back of a lorry. tell me how would you feel if russia or poland or spain was the new hotspot for illegal immigrants arriving, and all of a sudden nobody can get jobs or housing and people that are legally there including all europeans!! cannot find places to raise their families safely?

and as for the fact that you are discussing what you believe is racism against the poles by uk media look at yourself. You have set up a post slagging of the uk. pot kettle black.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

Everybody seems to assume us brits have an issue with poles and other nationalities living in our country. we don't. we have a problem with illegal immigrants who take up all the jobs cash in hand, live on the dole under fake names, use fake passports and the like, taking up all the social housing. If it weren't for these people, then the poles and other nationalities who live here would not have to share overcrowded houses with mean landlords and take **** jobs for pennies.

I think immigration is a brill thing as long as its legal. I even think sometimes, as long as you have settled here, maybe overstaying your visa slightly so you can be with your family is also alright. but this is in regard to the people who come here on "holidays" or arrive in lorrys in the port of dover where i work, and they're the people we don't want. because its unfair to everyone in the uk whether british or not.

UK, Ireland / Are Poles in UK really that big of a deal? [112]

My faggy ass country seems quite inviting to a number of europeans....note i did not just say poles. Its people like you that give countries and nationalities a bad name. Screw you, we're all european. And you think brits abroad aren't persecuted by locals? don't be ridiculous and crawl back in your little shell. You have no idea what you are talking about.

PS Amethyst is right. A channel 4 documentary this week showed a polish military aircraft which comes in every two weeks to pick up poles on bail or with outstanding arrest warrants. In fact it said they return every 10 to 14 days and that was the polish police officer who said that. I think there were twenty policemen on eacg flight to escort wanted warrants.

Grow up.

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]

i see no point in racism in any form. We are all human at the end of the day. I have more non british friends than i do brits. mainly due to my job. i hate racism in any form, and the world would be much happier if racist fricks kept their mouths shut and leaned to live in peace.

Life / How Safe Are the Polish Cities? [179]


hey less of the sailor boy. I'm a sailor and its definitely not derogatory. :/

according to channel 4 and their docu "hunting britains most wanted" last night Poland is only safe because everyone comes running to the uk. A plane comes in from poland (a military one no less) to pick up criminals on the run every 10 - 14 days. apparently mainly murderers rapists and the like. However this is channel 4, who are a little bit dumbed down for the masses, and half of the detainees being deported were on cannabis or fighting charges. make of this what you will.

Law / Can I get Polish citizenship if exceeded the "3,5 year after marriage" time limit? [8]

Is there a time limit, or is it just that you must be married for 3.5 years before you can apply?

Love / Do Polish men like to sleep with other men? [79]

since the op was discussing blatant homosexuality maybe the british meaning is more suited?

Love / Do Polish men like to sleep with other men? [79]

If you think an influx of homosexual polish nationals is going to effect/affect(?) the uk you clearly have not visited manchester gay village. you seriously cannot base the fact of someone being gay because they act camp or effeminate. Or wear tight trousers and party lots with others of the same sex. In that case everytime i have a girls night i must be seen as a lesbian, which i am not. My mother is but thats another story ;)

UK, Ireland / How to set up a charity in the UK? [20]

It may be that you do not need to set up the charity as such. If you are looking to set up a charity in aid of cancer, or illnesses, or similar there will already be a charity existing in which case they can help you organise fundraisers on a small and large scale. You should look for similiar charities to your idea. Its easier this way than trying to register a charity here which is very hard.

As an extra point if you are looking to fundraise for yourself or family or friends, try justgiving. its a very good website, with a large capacity of donators, easy to advertise and very easy to set up.

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]

britain is no worse than some other countries. thats all.

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]

Please don't blame it all on britain. Like i already pointed out we are not all the bloody same. It is well publicized in my country, as opposed to others. You think this is the only place it happens? What about the US? and that silly pregnancy pact the school did!

And yes the cases M-G that you mentioned are well covered by the media, but its only because they look good to the newspapers. They sell the stories.

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]

Barrow is a drasticly dire town. There is nothing for ahybody in that town. If the ship yard was as busy as it used to be then it wouldn't be so bad, but its a working town and always will be. Shame the rest of cumbria is so lovely, it sticks out like a sore thumb :)