Life / What do you generally think about Poles? [62]

I am Polish but British born and my opinion of many Polish people currently is slightly negative. I do not know where to begin. I think if so many of the youngster from Poland would stop, as someone mention, trying to be modern and like European westerners they would get a lot more respect. Personally I find it very sad when a Polish guy or girl marries a foreigner and then does not speak to the children in Polish or even worse, a couple who are Polish move to another country and when they marry and have a family they decide not to speak to their children in Polish. I have seen it here where I live. Be proud of your 'Polishness' and stop trying to be like those in other countries as if have got something to be ashamed of. You see it a lot in television in Poland as well, a lot of the programs are just bought from other countries as if they have no creative ideas now in Poland and just have to copy other countries. I also feel that a lot of Polish people who have moved here or to Americanin recent years have turned their back on their Catholic morale values and just go wherever the money is. It is such a shame.

Life / What do you generally think about Poles? [62]

I know but it seems as if in Poland you get an awful lot of it. Why is it safer? You have to pay for the right to have it. Why not think of your own stuff?

Life / What do you generally think about Poles? [62]


It is not just the fact that they have their own versions of dancing with the stars, dancing on ice, moment of truth etc it is that they make their own Polish versions of television programs from Britain or America such as 'Alo Alo' or 'Don Matteo' and others. It is one thing to show a foreign TV show on Polish television and even to buy foreign gameshows but when you copy a TV program to make your own version with pretty much the same characters I think it just takes the ****.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

I think this is a tricky topic to discuss. I do understand, to a degree, what the topic creator is saying although it is not too simple for countries like France, USA, Holland, England and so on, to do much about it now. It has gone too far. What these countries now have are children of immigrants being born in their countries. France as an example. An Algerian child born in France feels like a French citizen because they speak the language, they get educated in France, they have French pals etc. It is not fair to tell them to get out of the country when they have never actually lived anywhere else. If I happen to see a non white guy in Poland who says he is Polish, speaks Polish perfectly, has friends there etc and I realise he was born there and is proud of his country I would not feel right frowning at him and telling him to get out of the country. Now Poland, for now, is not a multicultural country, not to the extent of France for example. The problem is a lot of the Polish girls [or guys] go abroad and marry foreigners, then they return with them and this is how is starts. Right now it is not so noticable but if it continues then Poland could be similar to France eventually. I know that for some Polish girls it is trendy to find a foreigner and 'show him off.' I think that it is absurd but some girls think in this way.

It really does depend on how you view the world. It is a personal taste. If you think that we should not have any boundries as we are one race then sure, the EU is great and let us mix it up but if countries are too keep to themselves and have their own particular cultures then this is problematic. I think we have so many cultures in the world and some are vastly different to others hence it is not as easy to intergrate with each other as it may seem. We can have respect for them but to intergrate with them is a little different.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]


Actually the coallition did not disband due to the people not wanting them, it was basically because they proved that there was corruption in Samoobrona who did not want to continue on with PiS so PiS did nto have a majority anymore. Originally they wanted to be with PO who declined so they had to go with Samoobrona.

I do not understand why people want to stick to PO and are frightened to death of PiS having power. PO is corrupt. Some of the stuff they are doing right now is a joke. What is wrong with PiS? What is it peopel do not like about them?

Being Patriotic?
Sticking to Catholic morales and nto 'modernising' to be 'trendy' like most of West Europe?
Fighting Corruption?
Fighting for a better deal for their country in the EU rather than kissing EU ass and doing what the EU says?
Being weary of the Russians?

For those who do watch Polish television and have made up their mind because of it to dislike PiS I do not blame you. The Polish media has done a remarkable mind job in recent years and have made PiS look shockingly bad. Mainstream media is generally anti PiS. It is so obvious that it hurts and the fact that they keep on trying to convince us they are neutral is laughable. Not that they do not criticise PO, they have to otherwise it would be a little too obvious. Generally though, a person with a brain is able to see it.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Oh they already do. In fact if you are a black man or woman in Poland you have a good chance of appearing on television in Poland and discussing your life and how you got to be in Poland.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]

I am unable to edit my post to correct my spelling errors. Oh well I hope it is readable anyway. JonnyM it seems you do not like PiS but have not given reasons why they are so terrible and why PO or whatever party you are in favour of, is better.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]


Oh puuuleeeaaaaese. They had to go with them in order to be in government. Yes I admit they did not have enough votes to go it alone so they had to choose and PO said no so they had to go with them. Were they meant to go with those communists? Anyway the fact that they did discredit them is an example of how they did not pretend nothing went on just to stay in power but risked their own position in leadership by discrediting Samoobrona.


How does this change the fact that a lot of corruption went on [probably still does]? This is what PO and the anti PiS media do they manage to turn the situation around and make those who found out about the corruption seem to be in the wrong for the way they found out. Absolute crap.


He did not want to sign it and initially did not but there was so much pressure on him not only from Europe by the opposition that he eventually signed it. If he got what he wanted then there would be alterations made in it to suit Poland more before he signed it.


Oh yeah absolutely nothing to fear from Russia now that Poland is in NATO. They have out back at all times now. If you think that you are just plain ignorant.

Actually I do pay attention I watch it almost every day and see what is going on. Of course there is opposition and there are pro PiS newspapers such as 'Gazeta Polska' as well as channels such as 'Trwam' but the general mainstream TV media that a lot of people see i.e TVN and Polsat as well as TVP 2 is anti PiS. TVP used to be neutral although since PO started to interfere in that it is not starting to turn on PiS now as well.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]


That is the problem in Poland right now. Corrupt people have no problem PO because they do not stop them getting on with their businesses and a lot of younger people see PO as a more trendy and modern party who make Poland like the west and therefore like them even though they have a lot of corrupt people.


So you think that he should have not signed it? Most of Europe and PiS opposition in Poland were pressuring him to stop stalling and sign it so I wonder if you were one of those who was defending his decision not to sign.


This is where your naivity/lack of knowledge kicks in. There are even a lot of Russians that admit you cannot trust their government. Obviously you think the crash was also an accident or bad preperation by the Polish side I assume. There are a number of pieces of information from the crash that do not add up, particularly in the way the Russians dealt with the catastrophe. This is why you have to be wary of Russia. I am not talking about them invading the country I am talking about them quietly killing people who annoy them.

Last but not least why have you not answered ironside's question on your Polish language skills? It is interesting where your source of knowledge is from. Do you actually read and watch the Polish media in Polish or get your information from English sources? I think even a nuetral viewer that turned on TVN or Polsat would be able to see that there is one party who gets constantly lambasted, every day. Most PiS politicians do not get to answer the question they are asked. The question is asked and then answered by the interviewer. They might as well be having an interview them themselves since they do not let most PiS politicians speak.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]


This is a shame that Poland want to be like the west and it is a shame you feel that there are only 2 paths we can take, be like the 'civilised' west or like the 'dark age,' savage east. I know Poland has had many problems in the past and financially yes, they want to have a democracy and be more well off like much of the west is, that is why so many people have left there, but as far as the values they have, the west does not have much to offer and Poland should stick with the Catholic values they have had for hundreds of years. They should not adhere to the rules set for them by Brussels and Europe in general, that I should say is slowly slipping away from its Christian heritage. If you are not a Catholic or Christian it is fine, you do not have to be, but Catholicism and Christianity generally is part of Poland, it is the culture of Poland, not just a religion, so it should stay. I think that a lot of people in Poland, particularly the younger people, want to forget that and just concentrate on money and a good life for themselves, materially. It is up to them how they live, but as I said, it is a shame.


This is a strange view. I think if he did not sign you would be ranting about how stupid he was not to. Since he did sign, due to so many people pressuring him to sign, suddenly you say that he is a coward. I think he just gave in because he felt so many people were for the signiture of it, that even though he did not want to do it, he also knew he is part of a democracy and went for what most people in Poland want.


I think one has to know more about the Russians to understand the way they think, in reference to the government. Our former president did certain things that really made Putin angry. In fact he hated him! This would be a fantastic oppurtunity to get rid of him on his own turf. What a gift. An airplane full of polititians with most of the polititians from PiS [who are anti Russia]. Obviously after the crash if they supposedly seem to care it takes the suspicion off them but they did enough very 'strange' things to keep the suspicions on them. Now I am absolutely not saying that is was definately a planned attack but we do not have the facts yet and it was not wise to let the Russians take charge of the investigation. They are hardly going to put blame on themselves or admit it was their plan all along are they? Truth is we might not know what really happened for a long time. Just as many people say it is absurd to suggest it was a 'zamach' it is also absurd to so it was definately not, we simply do not have the evidence to make that conclusion but this is a very serious matter and should continue to be investigated.

News / What must be done to improve politics in Poland? [72]

To be honest I don't know why they even have 'entrance' music, it's not a boxing match.

News / Conservative-liberalism (Laissez-faire liberalism), another utopia for Poland? [99]

In responce to the original post in the thread.

Antek I like the way you wrote dicuss at the bottom as if this was a lesson in school for people to get in to groups and talk it over, then present to the class. Honestly I did not know too much about the ideas of Korwin-Mikke although I know who he is and know he runs in elections whenever they are around. I also know he wears an extremely stupid bow tie but that is beside the point I suppose.

As far as some of the rules he and his party set out, I understand the reasoning for them but they simply do not work. His idea of the state completely staying out of finances does not work. I am assuming this means the state does not fund much in the country although people still have to pay taxes to live in it. Why pay taxes to the state if nothing we use it state owned? What would we pay for? Just the army? That is absurd. Unless the taxing would be a lot lower. You can be fired by anyone at anytime, well again this seems fair on one hand but also means if noone wants to employ a person who is keen to work through choice, what happens to them? They do not get money from the state so what? They die? Living in Britain I understand the state benefits system, it makes sense. The only problem is when it is abused. What it does is guarantee that no matter what happens to you financially you are always going to have enough to survive. If you are out of a job but are honestly looking to find work then you get a some of money to get you through that time. If you have a family you get a bit mroe money. This idea that it is up to us to make money and those who make more have it better does not work because capitalism does not completely work. We do not live in a fair world where you get more the harder you work.

To conclude it seems his ideology suits those who make a lot of money most, as I think someone mentioned. Anyway Antek you said he gave these speeches in the 80s. I assume this was when Poland was still under communist rule? If so it is not surprising it would be music to many ears to hear that the state does not get involved in your business.

News / Conservative-liberalism (Laissez-faire liberalism), another utopia for Poland? [99]

I assume the UPR still has the same ideas now as it did in the 1980's, more or less, meaning Korwin-Mikke is a hypocrite. He says we should work for own cash with no assistant from the state but suggests that parties get funded by the state. How about he goes by his own rules, makes some money and then uses that to fund the party.

News / Citizen-led Initiative on Abortion Law in Poland [50]

Merged: Abortion

Not sure if we had this topic but if so it was a long time ago as I do not see a thread on it currently.

What is your view on Abortion?

Should it be legal or illegal?

I personally like the law currently in Poland, that it is illegal, but in exceptional situations it is allowed, such as if the woman's life is at risk and a few other criteria, but other than, keep it illegal. Obviously we have the problem with illegal abortion clinics in Poland but that is not enough of a reason to legalize it.

News / Andrzej Lepper committed suicide [98]

Agreed I also doubt that he just ended his life. Not only was there no letter, it just does not seem his style to do that. He does not seem like the 'give up when life gets too difficult' type of guy. He is more of a fighter, some would call it 'upartosc.'

News / Citizen-led Initiative on Abortion Law in Poland [50]

Then they can go and do it across the boarder. If a Polish person does not like the law in Poland he can leave, as many do. Other countries legalizing it does not mean Poland has to follow suit like sheep.

News / Citizen-led Initiative on Abortion Law in Poland [50]

What on earth are you blabbering on about delph? What part of my post has made you reach this conclusion?

News / Citizen-led Initiative on Abortion Law in Poland [50]

So what would your solution be? Do not have the ban so that vulnerable people who cannot go abroad stay in Poland and have it done illegally? Having it done illegally usually has costs, high costs, so if someone cannot leave the country to have it done due to money problems they are unlikely to be able to do it in Poland illegally. Or how about the education system gets a bit of a revamp? Most education nowdays, is liberal propaganda. This is even starting in Poland. How about explaining the problems of abortion early on and not encouraging youngsters to 'hook up' as long as they keep it safe, as these methods can sometimes backfire, but try promoting some of the currently considered 'old fashioned,' family values.

UK, Ireland / Worst of the worst Poles emigrating to Britain? [32]

Yes but there are probably less of them living in Poland. Unless you are referring to holidays and stuff. Regarding that I have heard that some places have a 'no British people' sign on them. I suppose this is due to the constant problems that they have.

UK, Ireland / Worst of the worst Poles emigrating to Britain? [32]


Don't think it was meant as a joke when said to them. It's not like they think it means something else, it's just the first thing they were taught.

@isthatu2

I am 24 and consider myself young. I know if someone asked me to teach them some Polish I would not start with curse words, not now, not when I was younger. I am not a prude and do know how to have fun but it just says a lot about the class of some people. The same way swearing in public, even if you think noone understand you, says a lot about you.

Life / Have many Poles had enough of one another? [198]

An interesting difference in the Polish and British cultures

Ask most British people how they are and regardless of how they really feel they reply

'Not bad'

'Okay'

'Great, you?'

Ask a Polish person and you tend to get

'nawet sie nie pytaj' [don't ask]

'szkoda gadac' [no use even speaking of it]

'jakos tam idzie' [getting by]

It is interesting in how in the British Culture it is just fake smiles not matter how bad things might be while in Poland it is miserable faces even if things are actually not that bad.

Love / Polish men like Latin girls? What do u find attractive in a girl physically & emotionally? [29]

Well BigBrownEyes you sound hot

....but seriously how about you post a picture of yourself and your teacher and I'll tell you if you 2 can make it together

....but seriously....post the pictures

....no really

Okay now totally seriously, I am not sure if this is a great idea. He is a teacher and you are a student, it could get messy and if any other students found out it could be even messier [they might think he is treating you better etc].

News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]


I think we had this debate previously. You can be angry that he went ahead and signed it but if it was Komorowski he would have signed it even quicker without a thought.

I really hope PO do not win again but I fear they will. People in Poland are too stupid. They think PO is the modern way to go and PiS is old fashioned and backwards. They do not care much that PO is as corrupt as they get, as long as they continue the 'modernisation spiel' they should win. They want to have the Euro. Imagine if Poland had the Euro right now, what a mess that would be. PiS goes for the patriotic arguments that a lot of people seem not to care too much about, since PO won the last elections [although I have doubts about the fairness of the last elections. I heard about 1.4 millions votes were void].

News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]


Erm would this anger about him signing it have anything to do with you being Russian? You know that he sided with the European's and when someone does that the Russians feel it is a step against them? Like with NATO.


Well yeah but I still care about the country. I do not just look at what I can gain from it, I hope the country keeps its traditional values and is fair and just.


Not sure if that line is aimed at me but if it was, I never left Poland, I never lived there, so I never 'ran away.' My family is from there and I go there a lot.


A bit of a generalisation. I suppose it is not too dissimilar to what Adam Hoffman of PiS said about the people from the village who have gone mad that got an angry reaction.


Not sure where you get this information from but I would say there was actually quite a bit of corruption.


This is still totally normal for in many countries who have their own currency, to have to exchange money.


What about the countries going bankrupt or close to it?


Actually it is a fact that that many [or a similar amount, I know it was more than a million] votes were void and were not counted because they were filled in, supposedly, badly. A bit suspicious that so many would get a simple voting application wrong. All it takes is for the vote counters to add a tick or 2 and it's void. Anyway if you think that the newspaper Gazeta Polska publishes lies, I wonder what truthful newspapers you read? Gazeta Wyborcza probably.


I love how someone who is not Polish [I assume from what you told me in another post] is telling someone who is, that they do not know anything about their own country. Yet you seem to know so much. I also hear an awful lot of voices on the streets here and in the USA from people who are fed up of PO and want them out. Not to mention voices from people in Poland.

News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

You know what I noticed from your post. You don't know how to have a discussion. You attack and insult those who disagree with what you believe. You are so ignorant in what you believe that if someone thinks otherwise, then they have 'no clue.' There is no use debating with you and I now understand why so many people on the board consider you an absolute idiot. Oh and by the way, I am more Polish than you are ever going to be and care about the country more than you ever in your cold Russian heart, will, so go spout your crap elsewhere.

Life / The Blame Game (Have you ever noticed that a Polish person is never wrong!?) [205]

There are people like that in different countries, not just Poland. It's just the way it is.

News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]


You really are a twerp. First you say I am not a true Polak because I have never lived in Poland. I suppose having a Polish name and family, speaking Polish at home, eating Polish food, reading Polish newspapers, going to a Polish Church, supporting the Polish teams in sports, going to Poland often etc is not enough? You on the other hand live [or lived?] in Poland and have much more right to speak out than me. Why do you even live in the country? Why did you leave your native land? Just curious about that.

Secondly. This Gazeta Polska crap. You go on and on. How about admitting reality and not being so biased? How about not acting like such a baby and insulting those who disagree with you by saying they do not have a clue? You are a class example of 'zarozumiały.' Let us tak a look at it from a distance, from a Sociological point of view. You do not like PiS, therefore you dislike Gazeta Polska, as it is pro PiS. I like PiS and therefore I do not like anti PiS media such as Polsat, TVN, Gazeta Wyborcza etc. People like the media that supports what they think and dislike those who criticise it, or praise ideas that they disagree with.