Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]

The Russian are "whiter" then the Poles are since the pure Russian type descends from ancient Vikings. Poland used to be the crossroads of Europe. I'd say the majority of Poles are dark blond/brunette and the eyes are grey, although you can meet any type.

Genealogy / Do you think all Slavs are white? [178]


I meant Varangians, yes. It has stunned me how many ethnic Russians are blond, blue-eyed types. You don't get so many of such type in Poland. My point however is the Polish are rather a mixture of different nations/genes due to geographical location and historical events (such as wars, migration of nations, etc.) My Mum born at the former Romanian border had black hair and brown eyes. My Warsaw born Dad was dark blonde/blue-grey eyes. I'm dark blond/grey eyes/black facial hair and eyebrows.

All the discussion is however pointless when we start asking the question who really the Silesian are ;-)

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]

Short comment from my side:

The real Warsaw ended with the Warsaw Uprising 1944. The city, razed down to the ground by the Nazi was destined to not exist anymore. Initial postwar plans assumed setting the country's capital city in £ódź. Only the enormous strength of surviving Warsawers resulted in rebuilding the city. During the Stalinist era, the stay permission in Warsaw was granted by the Communist Party. This had created a caste of "warszawka", arrogant newcomers hated all around the country. The concept of "warszawka" is pre-war, still the true first post-war "warszawka" was the product of the administrative acts as described by Leopold Tyrmand in his "Dziennik 1954".

The current "warszawka" are also posh newcomers, upstarts. No wonder "warszawka" as caste is despised. "Warszawka" has nothing to do with Warsawers.

For me, the "projekt warszawiak" is untrue, and it seems to be a product of "warszawka" themselves.

Listen to some of real Warsaw music, although I must apologize for poor quality:

youtu.be/dJU7gX_8LoQ

Contemporary "Warsaw" music, true to life:

youtu.be/YiyCNVD05jM

Said I, a son of a Warsawer born in 1919.

Honestly, the whole "projekt warszawiak" looks fake to me. Watch those people, they look and behave as if they have come straight from the Woronicza street (where TVP1 is located) or from TVN.

The true Warsaw types are here. A band called Menele.

Mariusz Kuczewski (Qcza)
Dariusz Wołosewicz (Grzywa) and Qcza
Piotr Walewski
It would be very scary to meet him in a backyard ;-)
A Warsaw pre-war drinking place might not look so much different than that one

And those young people of "projekt warszawiak"? No wonder "warszawka" is not popular ;-)

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]

Dear Magdalena,

My Grandpa settled in Warsaw in 1905, starting as illiterate industrial worker, then becoming a successful farmer and gardener in Wawrzyszew and paying back his bank credits before 1939, the only of all neigbours. My Dad was born in 1919 in Warsaw and got educated there. He was taken for forced labour to Germany from Kercelak in 1942. I was born in Warsaw in 1961. My both daughters were born in Warsaw, one in 1987, the other in 2000. Taking all into account, you should avoid teaching me what is Warsaw and what is not.

I say: "projekt warszawiak" is fake for me. You simply cannot tell me what I feel belongs to Warsaw genre and what does not. Anybody in the world can take any song and make it. Will it be genuine? I doubt. "Star Spangled Banner" version by Jimi Hendrix was authentic because he was authentic. The people of the "projekt warszawiak" are not genuine at all, even if you like the project.

The songs that are genuinely Warsaw style and were written in the modern era are, for example:
1. "Warszawa" by T-Love although Muniek Staszczyk and the band are from Częstochowa
2. "Małgośka" by Maryla Rodowicz, although she was born in Zielona Góra
3. "Sen o Warszawie" by Czesław Niemen, although he was born in Belarus
4. "Warszawa jest smutna bez Ciebie" by Jacek Lech, although he was born in Bielsko-Biała

I perceive all those singers as Warsawers, regardless wherever they were born.

Of modern Warsaw acts, Szwagierkolaska is of great artistic merit. Do you know Szwagierkolaska's music?

I do not deny the post-war Warsaw in which most of great artistic acts were created by the newcomers who became Warsawers. I only say two things:

a. You refer to the song "Nie masz cwaniaka nad warszawiaka" by Stanisław Grzesiuk who was a pre-war Warsawer since he was two-years of age. The era of such songs ended really with the Warsaw Uprising

b. The "projekt warszawiak" smells fake and holds no artistic value or message -- at least for me.

Thank you for your attention.

P.S. Since you appear to understand Polish perfectly, note these lyrics of "Bal na Gnojnej", a pre-war Warsaw song:

"Kto zna Antka, czuje mojrę
Ale jeden nie znał jej
I napotkał na dintojrę
Skończył się z ręki mej" ;-)

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]


You said something about the coffin, and as you used to be a Warsawer, I should be extremely solemn with you, Magdalena ;-)

It's OK you like "projekt warszawiak" but I have yet to hear what artistic merit you find in their music.

Here is Szwagierkolaska in Stanisław Grzesiuk song "Antek"

Here is the Grzesiuk's original:
[kla12ma.wrzuta.pl/audio/0TThU8p819g/stanislaw_grzesiuk_-_antek_oryg.los_bandyty] - Antek by Grzesiuk

How can anybody say "projekt warszawiak" is of any artistic merit compared to Szwagierkolaska's arrangement?

This song is close to my heart. For readers not fluent in Polish, here's rough translation:

Antek (The Fate of A Bandit)
Here, in the city of Mermaid I was born, and our Mother worked hard
She had two sons, that is, Feliks and of course me; she wanted raise us decent men
Feliks was good at studying, and I wanted to work at a factory
My brother became a lawyer soon, and it took me couple of years to become a bandit.
The Mother was crying and worrying, and brother was telling me off in those words:

"Antek, Antek, oh you poor boy, go straight or shame on you
Remember, Brother, you'll end up badly, your talent and shrewdness will be wasted".

I ran away from home, I set off with a Browning in my hand
I became a boss of a gang in a couple of years
And my brother Feliks became an attorney.
I attack some Mister once at night, it was raining terribly, terrible it was
I point my Browning at his forehead and suddenly a familiar voice shouts: STOP!
I recognized my brother, I got scared. My brother was telling me off in those words:

"Antek, Antek, hold on, it's Feliks, brother of yours
Go straight, you still got time, the world will be yours"
I answered him:
"Get away from here! Don't waste your words!"
My brother wept tears and went away.
And I was a bandit again.

Several years had passed since that moment, and finally I was caught together with my gang
And then I recollected the words of my brother when I was led to the Court's hall
My brother was standing among the judges, he was the one to sentence me to death.

"Antek, Antek, you poor one, you'll fade like a flower
You didn't want to listen to your own brother's words;
the hangman is awaiting".

(I cried but wiped my tears and my heart lost its power;
Brother said "HANG HIM!" and then he died since his own heart broke)
Neither tears of our Mother helped nor the brother's voice
An the scaffolding's awaiting me
That the bandit's fate.
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There is depth in these lyrics. There is a story behind it. Grzesiuk was genuine with his banjo and throat destroyed by five years of a concentration camp and by abuse of alcohol. There's music in Szwagierkolaska's version, something missing totally in "projekt warszawiak".

Now I see these "warszawka" people in suits, trying to convince me no-one is smarter than a Warsawer. If I met one of those people, I'd really punch them in face to see how much Warsawer they are ;)))

With regards, to you, Magdalena.
P.S. Living for the same duration of time in Brwinów/Podkowa Leśna as you were living in Warsaw, I do not feel myself a Brwinower or Podkower, OK?

You also said


The fact you do not live here anymore Magdalena limits your perception and causes your statements somewhat risky. You want a present-day Warszawa song, don't you?

Here you are: [w220.wrzuta.pl/audio/8hdtWyc896L/mordewind_-_mordewind_-_defaac_to_-_11_-_syrenka] - Mordewind - Syrenka (Original song)

All guys of Mordewind live at the right bank of Vistula ( Warszawa Praga) and this is why they sing:
"Mermaid, mermaid, the Warsaw maid
Your home's where the green river-bank is
I'm crazy with you, with your beauty
Visit sometimes my Praga side"

Mordewind is a band that often can be met at the folk stage of the Polish Woodstock Festival.

Regards,
Antek

I only regret I could not find a better video.

youtu.be/hHSOZnJyjU4

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]

Sorry for late answer. Our project Psychodance spent the whole day on recording a new song. Soon, we plan making next new original song, in modern arrangement, telling an authentic story from Targówek on a woman killing several men by giving them methanol-polluted vodka ;-) The b*tch will eventually die because the last survivor -- getting blind from methanol -- has forced her to drink it herself ;-) It is dangerous to mess with grown up men of Bielany or Targówek; and even the ones of Saska Kępa or Piaseczno could be dangerous types, especially when they are mental :P


I had replied likewise. The words on Antek who should be feared of (mojra is a slang word for fear; dintojra is a slang word for bloody revenge, acquired from Hebrew) are the lyrics of "Bal na Gnojnej". A person understanding Warsaw should know a little bit about who the hangman Maciejewski was, where the Gnojna street was located, what the bar at Josek was, too. Getting some hold on the folklore always helps, especially if you refer to "Nie masz cwaniaka nad warszawiaka" that is not any new song as you are perfectly aware.

Discussing taste of somebody else should be avoided. You may like "projekt warszawiak" and it is getting hype now. Still, the project and the song can be criticized.

Musically, it is obvious the guy cannot sing. This is hidden behind the layer of electro. The very basic idea behind any cover song is the melody line shall be retained as the melody (not the lyrics!) define the song. I could tell you about extremely modified cover songs, such as "Satisfaction" done by Devo, Metallica's songs done by German a capella band Van Canto or by the bluegrass band Iron Horse, traditional "Friggin' in the Riggin'" by Sex Pistols and Anthrax; many other songs have been covered in the most weird way. Have you ever heard punk-rock played acoustic with ukuleles?

Any respected cover song however does not leave the listener in doubt what actual song we are talking about. "projekt warszawiak" makes the impression the people making this song miss musical ear and they had sacrificed the music in the favour of hype.

Visual layer of "Nie masz cwaniaka..." by p-w reminds me a cartoon, as authentic as the movie "Psy" treated as a documentary of everyday policemen work. This is how much the "warszawka" people -- especially those working close with the TV -- understand and feel about Warsaw.

Authenticity? My wife told me: "The vid seems to be made by people spending most of their time in the Ursynów district (only blocks of flats there), with occasional visits to the city centre on their way to the University; spending the rest of their time watching TV and clubbing".

That's what I want to tell you about my and my wife's sentiments regarding 'projekt warszawiak".


You've got the feeling from a true warszawiak. The song can be appreciated by "warszawka" not by warszawiaks. And it is.
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I daresay you have listened only to the first verse of Mordewind's "Syrenka". Saying that a folk band using a drum set and overdriven electric guitar combined with bag-pipe does the new song the old way is.... I give up.

"Warszawa" by T.Love is something you don't like. Yet the youth of Warsaw loves the song and identifies with it. Didn't you miss some phrases that make that song so artistically great?

-- "A Grochów się budzi z przepicia" - how much do you know on Grochów's everyday life? I spent great deal of my youth there.

-- "gdzie wiosna spaliną oddycha" - have you been to Warsaw in May, all the beautiful blooming trees and what you smell is the exhaust gas unless you live in Saska Kępa?

-- "zielony Żoliborz, pieprzony Żoliborz" - even leaving in that wonderful quarter is not that nice.

-- "Ściekami z rzeki kompletnie pijany" -- well, take a swim in the Vistula River

This song rings 100% true and authentic. Well if you say rock is obsolete, I let you live with that thought.

All the best.

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]

To start with, you are not Polish Magdalena, and not a Warszawiak either. I've been greatly interested in Upper Silesian matters for last couple of years myself. Yet, I do not even attempt speak "ślonsko godka" since it would be phoney and extremely badly received by the Ślonzoki. So many gorols living there CAN "godoć", still ask them a direct question and they will instantly admit they are gorol. No sane gorol would ever say he or she were hanys.

Due to its history, Warsaw is somewhat different. The best Warsaw songs were made by people not born there. Once a person proves he/she is a Warsawer, that is, he or she can broadcast thoughts at real Warszawiak wavelength, such person is considered a Warszawiak. The fact of living in Warsaw regardless how long does not make one a Warszawiak. Besides, consider Easter time. Warsaw is left "dla warszawiaków", "warszawka" leaves the city.

I don't say you have no right to perceive yourself as a warszawianka. I do not say you're ignorant. Many of the remarks I made (such as ones on mojra and dintojra) are for other people reading this thread. Please do not take everything personally. You'd said "Discuss". You are getting the discussion; unless you'd just expected applause for p-w.

There is a kind of warszawiak talking (you can read it in Tyrmand's "Dziennik 1954"). Warsaw talk is fast, often smartly offending the other person without real offence. A warszawiak knows how to brilliantly answer the similar way. There is also local feature called "zaskok" (kind of Warsaw esprit). My quote from "Bal na Gnojnej" would be read as an excellent response by a person with "zaskok" since it:

1. Refers to Warsaw folklore
2. By chance it includes my own name
3. Is indirect reference to the "threats" expressed in the "Nie masz cwaniaka" song.

Understanding my response as a threat shows clearly you've been breathing the Warsaw air a little bit too short ;)

Have a nice day. I end rant.
---
EDIT: Mafketis: As I said, non-Warsawers will LOVE p-w. Can you also tell me: Don't you have quarrels who's real Poznaniak and who is not? I know you have that in the Greater Poland ;)

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]

Magdalena, the further rant is pointless. I have gone through numerous posts of yours under another thread and I'm impressed with your Polish capabilities. The only unfortunate point you've made about "authenticity" of p-w and your risky claim that specifically a person born/bred in Warsaw would really appreciate the trueness of the project made me over-react. Comments of my Warsaw friends related to p-w are like: "Słuchałam tego, z butów nie wyrywa". "Kaszana". "Kupa". That's it, although the project may be liked by many, and as I said, the hype is there.

My personal distaste results from the fact when I listen/watch the p-w, I feel as if I, a Warsawer, were threatened by those pathetic warszawka people. I nóż mi się w kieszeni otwiera. A oni śpiewają "możesz mi w mordę dać". Z przyjemnością bym to zrobił. Takie są moje osobiste uczucia i tyle.

Naprawdę serdecznie Panią pozdrawiam i nie kłóćmy się już.

Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]


Source: projektwarszawiak.pl

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

And this is how we do not declense the name of the actor Bruce Lee:

To jest brusli
Nie ma brusliego
Robię kawę brusliemu
Widzę brusliego
Mówię o bruslim
Rozmawiam z bruslim
Brusli, cho no tu ;-)
Nie ma czegoś takiego jak brusliowie
Nie ma bruslich!
Nie widzę żadnych bruslich
Nie mówię o bruslich, bo ich nie ma
Nie rozmawiam z bruslimi bo nie istnieją
Brusliowie, Was nie ma! ;-)))))))))))))))))))))

Language / Why when spelling Polish names abroad, Polish letters are ignored? [68]

What problem is this really? This is transcription. Due to historical reasons, typing Polish names using only English characters is not really different than transliterating Russian names into Latin.

My feeling is, most Poles give a damn to it. Most of e-mail systems disallow anything than English characters in the message subject, too.

Language / Why when spelling Polish names abroad, Polish letters are ignored? [68]


Come on... Microsoft Windows supports all languages. However, somebody working hard and fast saves time by just typing given name quickly using English characters. If I were to type something in Czech, I'd have to switch to the Czech keyboard (and not having the physical Czech keyboard, I'd have to use the "screen keyboard", which is painful). Or, to use the Character Map. Why should I do it?

Many Polish friends of mine staying abroad just chat with me in Polish using only Latin characters and we understand one another perfectly. I work in a English-speaking company and we address our Polish clients not using diacritical characters. Nobody complains. I think our sales area is 16 countries in Scandinavia and East Europe. Everybody's getting same from me - a Norwegian, Finnish or a Croat will be addressed only in Latin.

Language / Why when spelling Polish names abroad, Polish letters are ignored? [68]

Havok, it's spelled "the artist formerly known as Prince" ;-))))

Sure, everyone can demand proper spelling. Then I would give less discount to such a company ;-)

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

What about Bruce Lee? We declense his first but not last name. Why?

Life / Uptight Poles [262]

General quote: Most of our Poles are indeed uptight, so what? Live with that. This discussion will not make Poles different. The approach may change over years but it's not happening over time.

Just before last Easter, I recorded a music video where I sing, play guitar, bass and dance (I'm fifty). A colleague of mine (a Norwegian born in Poland) visited his Polish families and showed my video to them. Their comment was "Has Antek gone completely insane?!" ;-) Should I cry?, Well, no, I'm too much easy going person now ;)

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

Ale na pewno "na Tamizie". "Czy w Liverpoolu, czy w Londynie."

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

This only means more problems for foreigners learning Polish. I think the only way to get a real grasp on any language is to live in given country long enough.


One of reasons (not the only one) I hate them.

Language / Why when spelling Polish names abroad, Polish letters are ignored? [68]

Before anyone puts the complaint on spelling the name such as "Walesa", we should start calling Muenchen the right name, and we shall get rid of names such as Padwa, Rzym, Londyn, Nowy Jork and the like.

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

One cannot really learn a language from mluvnice books, Magdalena ;-)

Travel / Poland in photo riddles [3134]


Is this multi-tier parking in Warzyszew by chance?

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

Life / Uptight Poles [262]


Another thing the Polish should be so proud. Having the most difficult language in the world was not enough.
Ah, I've almost forgotten. If I'm not wrong, Poland had beaten the world record in the number of guitarists playing simultaneously at a single event, (yet the record was not broken this year again) ;))))))))))))

Well, if we have nothing more interesting to offer... let us be the most uptight in the world with the most complex language and the biggest number of people able to gather at one place and play "Hey Joe" ;-)))

Has anybody been to Switzerland recently? :D

Love / Hot Polish girls in clubs - why don't they dance/talk with the most attractive men only? [148]

As more I read this thread as more I'm convinced jarnowa is simply jealous ;-)

A right man, no matter what's his skin colour or race is wins. Saying Polish girls have bad taste is just pathetic.

Life / Do men in Poland go to barber shops or hair salons ? [16]

If I go for some hair-cut, I prefer hair salons, simply because they are easier to reach for me with my car. I however avoid barbers since I have yet to meet a barber who will show due respect towards my long hair. Any visit to a Polish barber resulted in loss of one-year of patient hair growing... Now I prefer keeping my hair unkempt with occasional trimming it myself ;-)

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

Good morning!

I thought we were discussing whether there were too many English words in the Polish language ;-) I'd say, those words make no harm as long as they dissolve in the language. I personally love the word "imidż" (image) used informally. "Wizerunek" sounds dryly.

-- Po co nosisz te długie włosy?
-- Dla imidżu, k**wa! ;-))))
(-- Celem poprawienia mego wizerunku <--- c'mon....)

I also love new phrases borrowed from English, such as:
-- Taki lajf. (That's life).
It's so juicy and colourful compared to the most specific Polish idiom:
-- Trudno.

Ha ;)

Life / Do men in Poland go to barber shops or hair salons ? [16]

Why stupid? He asked what is the common choice: a barber shop OR a hair salon. Makes sense.

Life / Do men in Poland go to barber shops or hair salons ? [16]

I think very few barber shops have survived. There is no single barber shop in the two little neighbouring towns where I live. You can however find small hair salons targeted at women. It is so easy for me to jump into my car and drive some 16 km to the next shopping centre where hair salons can be found...

Wildrover, I do not think most of Polish men are bald. They just crop their hair.

Life / Do men in Poland go to barber shops or hair salons ? [16]

The genotype makes many men here get bald since they are in their thirties, true. Still you find so many young men cropping they hair just for style. On contrary, many heavy-metal followers are long haired and as long as the Nature lets them, they maintain long hair.

See, I'm fifty and am proud of my long hair... "I won't hesitate to use them" ;-) My close pal is 49, still has all hair on, yet he's been shaving his hair since he was 16.

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

I won't quarrel with you over anything, due to the deep respect I pay to you ;-)
We can discuss, not quarrel, though.

I think borrowed words contribute to the richness of any language, make it living. What would be Ivrit without the words such as "televizja" or "autobus"? ;-)

Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

The music world includes a big number of domestic Polish words, often mixed with borrowed words.

Rozkmińcie to/Guess the meaning ;-)

Piec, piecyk
Paka
Wzmak
Wiosło, wiosełko
Multiefekt
Cyfra
Beczki
Blachy
Mechanizm stopy, stopa
Centrala
(But hajhet, rajd, krasz, tomy, flortom, czajna, while Polish words such as gong, czynel, kociołki, półkocioł exist, too)
Basia
Klawisz
Pałker
Riff ;-)
Akord
Solówka
Przejście, but also "bridż"
...