News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]


care to read some history book?why are You taking a voice on a forum about a topic You clearly haqve no idea about?i just dont get this kind of people

Work / How can Americans of Polish descent get work in Poland? [22]

why not get Polish citizenship?

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]

well, it is not Poland responsibility to host refugees, but it doesnt really hurt to help some people...
As for the whole conflict, Libia is this "clan country" and it is hard to figure out what would be the outcome of the war but do you really think civilians should be left alone to be killed?maybe it isnt NATO responsibility but it is a right thing to do

News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]

might happen, but I still stand by my statement
besides NATO and especially USA would just look ridiculous if didnt take any action, after so much talking about freedom democracy etc

News / Poland's Lost Generation [172]

why would we want to change anything? I "tried" the west- didnt like it. We just need better economy, and it is growing so hurray!!!

Po polsku / Sprawiedliwy z Gniewczyny [94]

drogi Torq!
zgadzam się, że niechętnie się mówi o ciemnej stronie naszej historii, ale tak samo niechętnie o historii Żydów na kresach. Nasze stosunki są bardzo skomplikowane( jak to bywa z sąsiadami) natomiast przez cały świat widziane są dość jednoznacznie i stąd pewnie niechęć pewnych środowisk do biczowania się skoro zachód tak doskonale wykonuje tę funkcje. Racz też zauważyć, że więcej książek powstało o tym co Polacy robili, niż o zachowaniu Żydów zarówno na kresach w czasie II WŚ jak i wojny Pl-Bol, Pl-Lt czy Pl-Ukr. Najproawdpodobniej dlatego, że próba odgrzebania tych wydarzeń okrzyknięta byłaby antysemityzmem. Dlatego, że trudno zmierzyć się z problemem uczciwie wiele osób woli o nim zapomnieć

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


You dont know the history my dear,
it was Lithuania by name and name only

News / Poland's Lost Generation [172]


well going with this logic England or
France etc can tumble down into the Greeces place too,yes everything can happen but it doesnt seem likely,
and I was rather thinking about the lifestyle and culture of the "West"[that I didnt like] rather than the economy

History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]


how will You explain the Kosciuszko uprising? "ludzie tutejsze"is a term used by Belarusian peasants just after the war, when the borders were changing

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]


and some Jews are murderers of Poles...

Sokrates who exactly(by name if You may) do You mean? I myself think it is much to much exaggerated by some nationalists

History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]

yeah Schetyna(probably), Boni, Rotfeld, on the local level Bielecki(my choice for the President of Warsaw:})-well that is not much
there are some matters that make me mad- like double paying for some properties(Talmud academy in Lublin etc), but the whole thing is often iether blown out of proportion or swept under the carpet, I hope that there will be a day when we can just be honest and open about it

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


would You care to explain what You mean by striking difference?as far as I am concerned the recovered territories were badly damaged, is this what You mean?

And You really dont understand the destruction in 70s and 80s?-well 3 words:money. money, money

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


I think it is not advisable to compare Poland to Ukraine because no matter how it looked Poland was Poland with its own "elites", while Ukraine was just a part of USSR, it was much harder for them to transform. Besides dont You see a pattern? the same happens with Belarus, they just cant decide what side to be on. Young countries-they will manage to sort it out sooner or later

Ukraine was occupied by Russia and Poland since 1667. Revolts of 1648-54 and 1768 were brutaly suppressed by the two. When finally the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empire collapsed and Ukraine declared its independance Polish and Russian armies again ravaged the country and tore it apart: Poland occupied its western part, Russia - eastern. Both made sure the word "Ukrainian" and "education" or "political activity" don't mix together. Poland closed Ukrainian schools, burnt Churches, openned concentration camp for Ukrainian nationalists. The Russians under Stalin murdered 6 million Ukrainians by Holodomor and executed thousands during forced collectivization in 1928-1931. Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers).

Ukraine was occupied by Russia and Poland since 1667. Revolts of 1648-54 and 1768 were brutaly suppressed by the two. When finally the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empire collapsed and Ukraine declared its independance Polish and Russian armies again ravaged the country and tore it apart: Poland occupied its western part, Russia - eastern. Both made sure the word "Ukrainian" and "education" or "political activity" don't mix together. Poland closed Ukrainian schools, burnt Churches, openned concentration camp for Ukrainian nationalists. The Russians under Stalin murdered 6 million Ukrainians by Holodomor and executed thousands during forced collectivization in 1928-1931. Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers).


Your history teacher should be ashamed of himself!!

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


Nathan, looking at Your recent history You shouldnt really talk about courage,
btw, I read that genetically West Ukraine has very simlar DNA to Polish one:] wouldnt it be better to come back to old ways of slavic multiculturalism??some union maybe:]]]]

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Poland did try to polonize Ukrainians but just for few years before outbreak of WWII, FEW YEARS!!!!!You talk about insurections which is nonsense, Cossacks did not fight against Poland but against magnats(even Chmielnicki called RP a mother), there was no plans for independent Ukraine


whatever, We lost more on the east than we gain on the West, and how many times does it have to be repeated that Germans started the war??loosing territory is normal if You lose the war

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


it is unfortunate, and I always believed that Poland should apologised for that( as opposed to Vistula action), the thing is Ukraine was useless, they didnt manage to do anything, and Piłsudski who signed the treaty was removed from power just after the war, Dmowskis conception of Poland and allies was totally different. As far as I know Piłsudski did apologise to Petluras soldiers, but he was just unable to do anything else. I agree with You on that- a bug shame.


what are You talking about?


i didnt really hear about such cooperation with Turkey, but I dont dismiss it, can You give some more details, links maybe?
It was not Pl vs Ukr, it was more of a class conflict than anything else. The magnats were ethnically Ruthenians, and many people on Ukr side were Polish szlachta,


now, i know that You are just joking here :]


I agree, well almost:]exceptions would be Lwów and Grodno, It just saddens me because there is not much of Poland in Poland now, I mean the architecture,

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


and how many of Ukr professors were there?do You have any knowledge about that times?in the theatre before,
the movie was played the anthem was sung, it was very, very nationalistic times, not only in Poland


if percentage of Poles was bigger how is this possible, that there were more Czechs or Lithuanians?You make no sensebtw in Wilno the city-percenatge of Lithuanians was 2 %


didi it do anything?


I am asking again are You kidding?is that what they teach You at school?

Poland was fighting Ukr and Soviets and Lithuanians and Czechs in that TIMES, Czechoslovakia did invade some Silesians towns to incorporate them(they didnt manage), Poland was forced to agree with annexation of Zaolzie, in returns Czechoslovakia was supposed to let the transports of help(soldiers, amunition, weapon)pass through their territory to Poland during Pl-Bolshevik war-guess what?they didnt

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


maybe sth constructive to say?

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


how is that constructive/bringing numbers??oh sorry then You throw Silesia out of the blue


no point in talking with You, You are simply biased


did I miss sth between You two?


Lwow and Warsaw (to lesser extent Krakow) had always been the most important cities for Poland, and Warsaw is not Warsaw anymore, Lwow is outside of Poland, we are left wtih little Krakow, this is why there is so much whining about Lwow.And it is not only about Lwow, there are many towns left on the East, and I prefer them to the claimed German ones. There is so little of Polish architecture in Poland...

News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]


i wouldnt call it widespread approval, You brought Silesia and the case for me doesnt look as it does to You- so the next arguments starts, now over Silesia, this way we will never get anywher


I am not talking about a war, neither I think it will happen, nor I want it. I am just very sentimental, and architecture is my hobby so every time i am in Lwow it gives me a real heartache, and that is it. Besides Poles should not forget about it and let history to be rewritten

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

wildrover
they had returned the favour many times already, before 1939. Besides Poland fought one on one not 2 or 3 against 1

Genealogy / Popular Polish Names during the 1920s through the 40s? [16]

as far as I know the town didnt exist at that time

Life / Did you see John Porter on Kuba Wojewódski [5]

wojewodzki is such an idiot, I honestly cant stand him


I do agree with that, ever idiot with some private university degree who is aspiring to be intellectual is of course liberal(not even knowing what that means) and is bashing the catolicism, Kaczyński, traditions, country etc because believes it makes him/her cool and smart. I am an atheist myself, also not a fan of Kaczyński but this trend really pisses me off. There is no real converstions, no arguments, just tell some stupid unfunnu joke about Kaczyński and You are a new member of "salon".

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]


Poland wasnt very prepared and is flat so what defend positions?most of the times it was open battles.
It was more of a 5-6 to 1

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]


not really, I read the memories(is this the right name?)about these times, and even in
Warsaw they were digging the trenches in late August IN FREE TIME!!!!I am always astouned how unprepared, naive and innocent people were

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

sorry I meant just outside of Warsaw.
The cities werent taken with much effort as there was mostly civilian population and they had planes to bomb them, who would hide in some building that can be bombed and destroyed easily?

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

Warsaw capitulated on 28th?was it long?hard to say, but I dont think any sensible person can see a city/town as good defend position, to many civilians to think about.

and cities are no fortresses sooner or later they will be taken

History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]


exactly:] You can cut them off, You can surround them, bombed them etc they cant hold for long without a help


warsaw uprising lasted only 63 days...
and there werent that many German soldiers to take it

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


somehow You are, the wealth of the country comes from Your ancestors, You have to take good and bad...

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


I am afraid it cant, just turn on tv and see for Yourself,or look at the teenagers copying Americans. But it is not the West that is the problem, but our quasi intelligentsia that runs the show.


why do You think so?