History / The ethics of buying PRL products. Tax? [4]

Merged: Tax in the PRL

Seeing Ziemowit's comments about how a retail tax existed in Poland before VAT, it made me wonder...

How did tax work in the PRL? I know the PIT was introduced in 1991 and VAT in 1993, but what existed before then?

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Add this to the latest news that PiS are planning to shut the shops on Sundays, guaranteeing that people will lose money because they can't work while paying more in shops.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Latest list of demonstrations. Join us :)

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News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Essentially, the plan is to stick a universal tax on all retailers regardless of size or whether they're offline or online, and the tax will be based on turnover rather than size. Obviously, it's going to be passed onto consumers - like the bank tax.


https://polishforums.com/news/poland-pis-impose-blanket-retail-tax-77028/4/#msg1526697

Here you go. There might be others - but for instance, ING has really ramped up the fees.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Clearly not familiar with Poland, are you?


Instead, they plan to force the poorest to pay for television regardless if they own one or not, they plan to force a 2% extra tax on all retail sales and they've forced a tax on banks which the state-controlled (and by far the biggest bank) PKO have passed on to their clients. Not to mention the disgusting way that they massively increased the price of medicine for those that have received transplants.

They're doing nothing to help the poorest.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


The poorest, so far. The plans for taxation so far all hurt the poorest in society the most.


Quite. Unfortunately, education spending isn't a priority for this government.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


Call it a hunch, but I think the current government accepts no responsibility for the Government-in-Exile's actions as it's legally a continuation of the pre-1935 Polish State and not the disgraceful post-1935 regime. I seem to remember that Poland had to recognise things like their medals/awards as it wasn't automatic, unlike the progression from the PRL to the III RP.

I always thought the Sikorski assassination theory was just another right wing crackjob theory, but when you learn about how he behaved then, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Poles dealt with him themselves.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


I've just spotted this thread : secretscotland.org.uk/forum/m-1308564097/

1500 Polish officers on Bute alone. Unbelievable.

Boletus...didn't he post on here?

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


The problem is that the money isn't getting taken to help the poor. The money is getting taken to fund fat salaries for Party members. Let's also not mention how they want to give 500zł for the 2nd child onwards regardless of income - so that wealthy bloke in the big house down the road from you will have his green fees paid, while the elderly woman that was promised free medicine will get next to nothing. Oh, and that woman that can't work across the road because she's had a kidney transplant? Well, she's now paying a lot more for her anti-rejection drugs.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


Yes, this is absolutely certain. It's pretty clear that the author will be accused of being "Polonophobic" along with endless other insults by people that will read manipulated quotes online. I imagine there'll be some token protest from some fringe loony group in the UK as well.

Something that was pointed out to me a few hours ago - Sikorski was actually breaking the law of Poland by punishing homosexuals, as Poland had decriminalised it in the 1930's. If these camps operated under Polish law as is claimed, then it makes Sikorski a war criminal.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Sounds exactly the kind of thing that would've been written in Trybuna Ludu to discourage parents from attending Solidarność demonstrations. For what it's worth, I've seen quite a few happy kids at demonstrations here.


"For democracy, any man would give his only begotten son."


Can't imagine many Republican parents encouraging their children to support the Obama administration. More to the point, JFK's words are true, but only if the government acts in your interests. This one is far more interested in destroying our interests.


I believe you, I've done plenty of travelling around Dolnoslaskie. It's exactly those poor people that we want to defend from a government that promised no tax increases and instead is going about taxing the living hell out of Polish families.


KOD demonstrations are anything but. People are smiling and cheerful at them.

News / The shame of Duda making late night visits to Kaczyński [79]


:D

In fairness, can you imagine the great de Gaulle making a late night visit to any mere parliamentarian? They would get the call from and get straight in the first car to Élysée ;) If one wants to be President, one has to behave like one.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


Thankfully, we at least have a credible approach to history that involves reporting the facts and not brushing things aside simply because it doesn't comply with the approved canon.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


I'm loving the idea of Nowy Targ yuppies personally :D

Johnny : that's why demonstrations are on Saturdays, so that the maximum amount of people can attend. People do attend with children, because these demonstrations are peaceful and free of trouble/bad language/other things associated with pro-PiS demonstrations.

News / Adam Michnik awarded for integrity, professionalism and high standards. Poland's No. 1 fascist? [321]


What ethics? Unlike Michnik, PiS supporting journalists get their ethics straight from the Good Journalist's Guide To Writing Complete Bollocks In Trybuna Ludu.

News / Adam Michnik awarded for integrity, professionalism and high standards. Poland's No. 1 fascist? [321]

... oh Ironside. How much are you being paid to say this stuff? :D

There's a link above that shows you how his "investigation" was actually blatantly copied from various authors. I know you can read Polish, so go ahead and look at the way that large sections were simply copied.


You mean the way that he presents meetings as being factual when instead, they're lifted straight from a crime novel? :D


I know you're a huge, huge PiS fanboy, but how can you honestly say that when the link above shows you exactly what he did? He plagiarised other books lock, stock and barrel!

Work / What is deducted from a salary in Poland apart from Income tax? [155]


I saw a message once on englishforum.ch where some guy was complaining because he couldn't live on 750CHF a day. Turned out that he had a very expensive mortgage in the UK to pay for, private school fees, flights to/from Geneva weekly and had to rent somewhere within 15 minutes of work. Madness.

News / The shame of Duda making late night visits to Kaczyński [79]

Harry, can you imagine any other European president making a late night visit to a minor MP with no official governmental position?

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


The pro-government forces have been saying that since day 1. Hasn't happened yet. There have been some interesting changes over the last two weeks as well, so things should grow and grow now.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Oh, you are. I saw a documentary on B92 a few years ago, and I hope that it never gets to the same point here.


I want them to follow the law.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Who is promoting the overthrow of government?


I take my inspiration from the Devetomartovski protest, Crowie.


Don't have it to hand, Polonius. A few thousand were reported on the day in Poznań, but I don't have exact numbers.

News / Do you believe that western Europe (ie EU) won`t punish Poland if Poland try to go out of EU? [44]


Where did you get the 75% number from? It doesn't exist in Polish law, and the EU would have strong words to say about a referendum that was rigged in such a way.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

While Wulkan sits thinking about PF members, I'll just update the thread with the latest list of demonstrations.

All demonstrations are on Saturday 23.01

1. BIA£YSTOK - 12:00, Rynek Kościuszki, "Białystok za Demokracją bez Inwigilacji"
2. BIELSKO-BIA£A - 12:00, Plac Chrobrego
3. BRZESZCZE
4. BYDGOSZCZ - 12:00, Stary Rynek, "Bydgoszcz dla Demokracji i Wolności"
5. CZĘSTOCHOWA - 12:00, plac Biegańskiego
6. CZ£UCHÓW - 11:00, Rynek, "Człuchów dla wolności"
7. ELBLĄG - 12:00, Pomnik Ofiar Grudnia 1970 - plac Solidarności, "Elbląg dla demokracji nie inwigilacji"
8. E£K - 12:00, Park Solidarności od strony ul. Armii Krajowej, "Czerwona kartka dla rządu"
9. GDAŃSK - 12:00, Plac Solidarności
10. GORZÓW WIELKOPOLSKI - 12:00, Rynek
11. JELENIA GÓRA - 12:00, ul. 1 Maja 30 (róg. ul. Pocztowej)
12. KATOWICE - 12.00 plac Chrobrego pod pomnikiem J. Piłsudskiego
13. KIELCE - 12:00, ul. Sienkiewicza przy pomniku Sienkiewicza, "Świętokrzyskie przeciw ACTA-bis"
14. K£ODZKO - 12:00, pl. Bolesława Chrobrego (fontanna obok Ratusza)
15. KONIN - 12:00, ul. Dworcowa koło zegara
16. KOSZALIN - 12:00, Rynek Staromiejski 6/7
17. KRAKÓW - 12:00, Rynek Główny pod pomnikiem Adama Mickiewicza
18. LEGNICA - 12:00, Rynek, naprzeciwko teatru, "Obronimy wolność i demokrację"
19. LUBLIN - 12:00, ul. Radziszewskiego 17 "Chatka Żaka", przemarsz: pl. Teatralny, Al. Racławickie, pl. Litewski, "W obronie Twojej wolności"
20. £ÓD- - 12.00, ul. Piotrkowska 115 przy pasażu Schillera, przemarsz do pl. Wolności.
21. NOWY TARG - 13:00, Rynek koło Ratusza
22. OLKUSZ - 12:00, Rynek Główny
23. OLSZTYN - 12:00, Stare Miasto
24. OPOLE - 12:00, Rynek - Ratusz, "W obronie Twojej wolności"
25. POZNAŃ - 12:00, plac Adama Mickiewicza, przemarsz pod Urząd Wojewódzki, "Poznań dla wolności i demokracji"
26. RZESZÓW - 12:00, Rynek, "W obronie Twojej wolności"
27. SIEDLCE - 12:00, pikieta przed Urzędem Miasta
28. STARGARD - 12:00, Rynek Staromiejski, "Stargard dla demokracji"
29. SZCZECIN - 12:00, Pomnik Czynu Polaków, przemarsz: Aleja Jana Pawła II, pl. Grunwaldzki, Al. Fontann, pl. Lotników, pl. Żołnierza, ul.Małopolska, Jarowita, Szczerbcowa do Urzędu Wojewódzkiego, "Szczecin dla demokracji - przeciw inwigilacji"

30. TARNÓW - 12:00, Rynek, "W obronie Twojej wolności"
31. TORUŃ - Rynek Staromiejski, "Toruń dla Demokracji i Wolności"
32. WARSZAWA - 12:00, Aleje Ujazdowskie 1/3 (pod siedzibą KPRM), przemarsz trasą: Plac na Rozdrożu, Al. Ujazdowskie, Plac Trzech Krzyży, Rondo de Gaulle'a, Nowy Świat, Krakowskie Przedmieście, Pałac Prezydencki, "W obronie Twojej wolności"

33. WROC£AW - 12:00, Plac Solny, "ACTA BIS - robi PiS"
34. ZAKOPANE - 11:00, Rondo Kuźnickie, spacer do Kuźnic
35. ZIELONA GÓRA - 12:00, Rynek
36. BRUKSELA - 12:00, przy Rondzie Schumana (między Radą Europejską a Berlaymont), "W obronie Twojej wolności / Defending your freedom"
37. HAMBURG - 12:00, przed Konsulatem Polskim
38. SZTOKHOLM - 12:00, przed Ambasadą Polską
39. WIEDEŃ - 12:30, Schwarzenbergplatz, "W obronie demokracji / Im namen der Demokratie"

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39 isn't bad :)

News / Is Jarosław Kaczyński the new Lech Wałęsa? [74]


Are you seriously suggesting that a biased documentary is historical evidence as to whether someone was there or not?

Olszewski's government was a mess, and I'm not surprised that Kaczyński was manipulating things in the background to try and put together a viable majority in order to support Wałęsa. It was only afterwards that Kaczyński really started to fall out with him.

News / Is Jarosław Kaczyński the new Lech Wałęsa? [74]


Don't forget that Kurski's 'legitimacy' in the eyes of the right wing makes him a useful puppet at TVP.


Kaczyński wasn't loyal to Olszewski. That's the modern narrative, but the reality was rather different.

News / Adam Michnik awarded for integrity, professionalism and high standards. Poland's No. 1 fascist? [321]


It's all here - kompromitacje.blogspot.com/2016/01/sumlinski-plagiator-patologiczny.html

Essentially, the link goes into great detail about how he copied many of the works directly. It compares paragraphs and shows that he didn't even bother to significantly rewrite any of it. Like most of what PiS produce, it's cheap trash designed for the brains of those that are already brainwashed.

News / Is Jarosław Kaczyński the new Lech Wałęsa? [74]

Of course, Polonius conveniently forgets to mention that Jarosław was also heavily involved.

wprost.pl/ar/327090/Kurski-Kaczynski-skorzystal-na-upadku-rzadu-Olszewskiego/



As always with PiS, they have a strong habit of distorting the truth. As above...

(Those who love watching the lies of PiS might wish to note that Kurski is now boss of TVP)


I think so too. They are a party built on hate, and that hatred comes out towards anyone that opposes them. I'm almost certain that if it was revealed that JPII said that Kaczyński was a poisonous individual, they would build some cult against him too.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]

I've just read the story now, and I'm gobsmacked. The common Polish narrative is that the Poles were treated somewhat with hostility in the UK, but now it turns out that they were putting political enemies in concentration camps even though Poland needed all the men they could get. Unbelievable.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Au contraire, Polonius. So far, 34 demonstrations in Poland for next weekend, plus quite a few abroad. Chicago is joining us now, which is very nice to see.


Why didn't you tell the PiS protesters that for the last 8 years?

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


No such thing.


There's nothing legitimate about detaining people based on their sexuality or ethnicity.