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Avalon   
18 Jun 2012
Real Estate / What do you pay in rent/mortgage in Poland? [144]

nope, the economics are not the same

And? is that all you can offer? I am happy to read what you have to say.

The people you're arguing with don't even think that there is a property bubble in Poland; even though the average house cost 15-20 time the average net wage.

The people you are arguing with seem to know what they are talking about, unlike you Milky:-

wbj.pl/article-59539-housing-expensive-for-poles.html

8 and a half times salary is about the same as the UK
Avalon   
18 Jun 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

who are living in dirty suburbs in old ****** up concrete bulidings.

You use this as an example and yet, when I mentioned it, you said this problem did not exist. I also published a report by a Polish researcher from 2006 which said that virtually all these buildings are defective and repairable and yet you never made a comment after.

You seem to be very selective with your taunts and trying to belittle other peoples opinions. You are not as clever as you think.
Avalon   
18 Jun 2012
Real Estate / What do you pay in rent/mortgage in Poland? [144]

This does not apply to Poland but I would think the economics are the same.

uk.finance.yahoo/news/buying-is-cheaper-than-renting.html
Avalon   
17 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Bertie's similar sound bites.

For someone who keeps telling everyone to "stay on topic", why do you keep referring to Ireland when we are discussing Polish property? Have you not realised yet that the market here is different? What happened in Ireland has no relevance here, hence the reason why only 6.5% of the Polish population have a mortgage.
Avalon   
17 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Guilty of working hard and using my brain to get on in life? Guilty of having the ability to make money and provide well for my family?, yes, I am guilty.
Avalon   
16 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

If that turns out to be correct and property prices do start rising next year, it will definitely rule me out from ever owning my own home in a Polish city unless I were fortunate enough to secure a well-paid position in Poland.

Why in the City? As SeanBM and WB pointed out some time ago, you can get a lot more for you money outside of the city boundaries. With the improved infrastructure works that have been carried out, a 15-20 minute journey is not much of a problem these days and the smaller towns and villages are much cheaper places to live.
Avalon   
15 Jun 2012
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - the next generation [87]

IF YOU TRAVEL TO THE UK...EVEN IF YOU ARE POLISH. THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE YOUR PASSPORT DETAILS AND THE DATES OF ENTRY AND EXIT FROM THE UK/IRELAND. YOU CANT ENTER THE UK WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT KNOWING....DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!

He told MPs he did not "have the faintest idea" how many illegal immigrants there were in the UK, although he was aware of estimates suggesting the number of illegal immigrants was about 400,000.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4985744.stm
Avalon   
15 Jun 2012
Real Estate / What do you pay in rent/mortgage in Poland? [144]

The Polish government don't build anywhere near the amount of social housing needed.

greed, I have been trying to point this out for the past 4 years.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / What do you pay in rent/mortgage in Poland? [144]

[quote=peterweg]Page 9. 64% of Polish households are owner occupied with no mortgage or loan. Uk figure is 25%. Ireland is 41%

Less that 4% are paying market rent in PL. F*** me.

Only 6% of Poles have a mortgage and live in the property,
[/quote

There you are Milky: "Peterweg is correct to point this out."

Your words, not mine.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Even Polish people are telling you that you are talking rubbish and you still cannot accept it. If you never had a plan, why move to Poland, you would get more on the dole in Ireland than you could earn here. What is it now? four years and you are still moaning about the same things. You must be a joy to live with.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

You are very impressed by the thought of University education aren't you.

Not really. If you are an example of what they are turning out, I am dismayed.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Please harry and Avalon, explain the difference between giving the money to buy and buying it myself and giving it.

I give my child pocket money to buy sweets, I do not say they are mine after she buys them.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - the next generation [87]

It's the UK, so most probably they do.

Did you read about the Brazilian women last week. She claimed 180,000 GBP over a period of a few years by stating she was a single mother who had 12 kids, nobody from the DHSS bothered to even check on this. It then took 2 years to investigate and bring her to court. If she was of Brazilian nationality, how the hell was she able to claim in the first place?
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Really harry are you really not that brilliant or age has got you?One can get permission to buy a farm in Poland!

You are the one who is not brilliant. Peterweg stated "I bought a farm and gave it to my wife", this is a lie as being a foreigner, he could buy farmland. Admittedly

he could have obtained permission to buy it himself, but that is not what he stated. For someone that does not even own any property in Poland he seems to not know an awful lot about it. He is very quick to start arguments and be pedantic with others on subjects of which he has no knowledge and when proven wrong, simply changes the subject or gets abusive. Typical childish behaviour. Remember, with age comes wisdom.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

So you cannot discuss the costs of building and claim you would not sell below cost because the selling price is determined by location not your cost. If its in a worthless location, its worthless, no matter how much it cost to build.

You have no knowledge about property development/building, as demonstrated by your replies.

With your post stating that the old communist blocks would last 200 years you proved your ignorance. Even when I posted a report from a respected, Polish researcher stating that most of these tower blocks were constructed with defective materials and were repairable, you still could not man-up and admit you were wrong again. You are a child who thinks he knows everything and you act like it.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

You built three lakes and planted a forest, impressive.

Where did I say I built three lakes and a forest?

You never answer a question, do you? You write garbage and act like a child when you are caught out.
Avalon   
14 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

I gave her the money so she bought it. No difference.

There is a difference, you did not buy it and do not own it. "oh what a tangled web we weave when err we practice to deceive"

You built three lakes and planted a forest, impressive.

Do you know what the word "adjacent" means? or are you really that stupid? Where did I say I built three lakes and a forest?

As I said before, you make yourself look a prcik with every post.
Avalon   
13 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

If its in the middle of nowhere you can build 12 apartments but won't be able to sell them, you can build apartment only where you can sell them.

Again untrue. I built a block of apartments in the countryside where no developer had ever built. They sold. Check with SeanBM for confirmation, he visited the site during construction.

I'm not lying.

And yet you do not refute this:

The statement you made here is untrue and misleading.
You could not buy a farm in your name as it is agricultural land, it would have to have been purchased in your wife's name. As a student nurse, her 500 per month salary would have excluded her from a mortgage, hence the need for you to take out a personal loan.

Perhaps just being economical with the truth.

So the value of the apartments is their location not the materials they are built from.

Adjacent to three lakes and a huge forest, 10 minute drive to town, nice position. Polish bank financed 50% of the build, obviously they are such not as expert on property as you. Polish banks usually take a hell of a risk when lending. Stick to software and an office, leave property alone, you would never make a living at it.
Avalon   
13 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

There are significant differences between buying property and consumables like clothes.

Again, you are very quick to jump in and give a negative comment without understanding what was said. My post refers to "what a % discount means". The figures used for any item can be manipulated. It can be raised so that any % reduction, looks greater than it really is. You are correct that consumables such as clothes are different from fixed assets such as houses or flats. But, do you know the "mark up" on clothes is around 200-300 %. so, taking this amount "70%" off, still leaves the retailer with a profit, even if the stock is out of fashion.

Fixed assets like property are fixed in place, cannot me transported and are entirely dependable on the value of the land they stand on.

Not quite true. If I put a wooden shed on 40 aras of land (cost of land 180,000 PLN) the value would be 185,000 PLN, if I build 12 apartments on the land, the value goes up to 3 million PLN. Even obtaining planning permission would virtually, double the value of the land. You should know this, everybody else does.

Nobody give a flying **** what you costs are as a developer,

Apart from the fact that your grammar is s*** again ("you costs", must be that university education), where did I mention anything about my costs?

While you are questioning me, lets look at this post of yours.

I bought a farm (with a personal bank loan, which is nearly paid off) and gave it to my wife.

The statement you made here is untrue and misleading.
You could not buy a farm in your name as it is agricultural land, it would have to have been purchased in your wife's name. As a student nurse, her 500 per month salary would have excluded her from a mortgage, hence the need for you to take out a personal loan.

Your post 0n January 18th this year, " Is this Mortgage Equity Withdrawal? Anyonego any (must be that university education) links to banks that offer this and the Polish terminology?" suggests that you think that you might be able to raise money on the "reverse equity scheme" proposed by the government/banks. Not possible for the same reasons you would not get a mortgage.

The monthly loan you pay on the "farm" (even if you are not living there) is an outgoing which you failed to mention to FUZZYWICKETS when replying to his question of how much your monthly mortgage cost, you only mentioned "is all that we pay, its about 450pln per month. Mostly the building repair fund (outside to be re-clad next year)". So this monthly payment (although you live in your wife's flat in Krakow) should be included as a cost for you living in Poland.

At least I do not lie in my posts. Your inexperience in most subjects shows. The old adage " It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" maybe something you should consider.To lie well, you need a good memory.
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

The gap between the transaction and offering price in case of apartments
has increased in the last couple of weeks to 7.2 percent from 4.5 percent in the period
from January to April.

A drop of 2.7% in two weeks, at that rate of decline, I will buy 10 at Christmas and rent them out.

Go to any clothes shop in a mall. Year round sales....70% off!!!!!..70% off of what? the material cost?..the production cost?.the wholesalers cost?...the retailers cost? you add a sum on to what you will accept and use that as a bargaining tool, knowing the buyer will try to knock you down, especially in Poland. The buyer thinks they have a good deal and you get the price you want.

Take a development company, the business plan will allow for a contingency sum of say 10% for unforeseen costs on the project. If this sum is used you never did your calculations properly or you were unlucky. If you run the project properly, keep to a tight budget and do not use the 10% you can afford to give a discount on your flats and the profit margin remains the same.
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

those old commie blocks and 100 year old houses in "the village" are breaking down and people aren't filling them like they used to (not to mention the country's youth is moving to the cities to find jobs)

Do you mean the ones that Peterweg said would "last another 200 years" or the 1,000.000. properties that Milky states are standing empty.

I suspect you mean these :-

Most of the infrastructure of the blocks, be they strict microrayon groups, regular patterned groups or in haphazard arrangements depending on local geography, was constructed with generally low quality from water pipes and sewage to insulation and roof. The EAUE notes, "Most of the buildings have defects in the concrete slab construction and often the damage is irreparable. In addition, the areas are suffering from monotonous architecture and a lack of neighborhood contacts."[15] The first observation is physical in nature, the second psychological.

The physical problems with the buildings today are numberless: poor insulation on windows and in the buildings in general, the outside scraping off, poor plumbing and heating, disputes over ownership (and responsibility) of the common areas, small size of rooms and distance from amenities. The other imposing physical problem is that they are still occupied by residents as before the changes.[18] Poland and the entire former Warsaw Pact world faces interminable housing shortages, especially in the major cities. Ironically, Warsaw itself actually has more blocks of flats being built on the horizon, this time by capitalist developers, than it has destruction of old ones.[19]

Written 2006 but still relevant. Full artical here:-
hudsonfla.com/flats.htm
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

He's no good at maths.

There is nothing wrong with my maths skills. But, if you really want to get personal, would you like me to dig out your posts and maybe we can try and understand how somebody who boasts about going to university, can barely put a sentence together without leaving out ''articals" and as WB puts it, "waffles" on, inanely.

Hmm, living off a student nurse with a 500pln a month grant or my 20k per month wage.

You stated previously that the flat in Krakow is owned by your girlfriend and the farm is owned by her parents. Does that leave you with a mortgage? or are you paying rent? For someone that does not own property in Poland, you know a lot about it, probably as much as Milky from the sound of it.
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Law / PESEL urgently need - Current order of applications? [10]

Any idea on the latest process here?

After I was here for three months, a PESEL number was automatically assigned to me. The office involved, told me this when I asked about it. They never volunteered the information until I mentioned it.
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

This is correct, by saying at least/by over 100% Avalon is hiding the fact that there is a bubble.

Another one that cannot read.
Where did I say "at least". If I had said 145%, 176%, 258%, people on this forum would argue as to the exact definition of how these figures were reached as all the available sources, contradict each other. I made a statement and it does not matter whether the figure is 200%, 300%, 900%. Your figure of 13.6%, taken from any of the percentages over 100% is small, certainly not a crash in prices. Even if your figure is correct, prices would still have to fall another 46.4% to be in line with your prediction of 2009.

This would then be 40% above the 2004 figures, which, you would still pretend is a bubble. Do any of the posters on here, really believe that prices will fall another 46%? Has anyone seen any evidence of the Polish economy tanking to such an extent?

I sold a large 120 m2 flat last month (completion on July 1st) for 290,000 (developers standard, built 2 years ago) I let the young couple (both work in Norway) have it for 290,000 although the asking price was 299,000. No agency was involved so I basically knocked off the agency fee for them. It cost me next to nothing.

The flat was cheap at that price and I was not prepared to negotiate any further discount, I would rather give it to one of my wife's family than drop 50%.

How on earth did you survive in the building industry without learning maths?

Being good at what I do and making lots of money? What have you ever done, besides living off your Polish girlfriend?

Yes, 258% is more than 100%, but that is also more than 10%, so why not tell 10% rather than 100% to compare it to 258%? Any explanation for that?

Yes, see my post above. The important figure is the "13.6%", not the percentage rises of different types of property as these can vary enormously.

Milky's prediction of a 50-60% prediction of falls in prices have not happened. I am not saying that the luxury end of the market has not seen substantial price reductions but his has not occurred at the lower end.
Avalon   
12 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

We have all agreed that prices between 2004 - 2008 increased by over 100%.

Thats complete and utter rubbish. The rise in prices was 258%

So, is 258% not more than 100%?

How on earth did you survive in the building industry without learning maths?

I survived by thinking first and then making a comment, I also did not pretend to know everything about everything.

Keep going, you are making yourself look a bigger prcik with every post.
Avalon   
11 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

in Krakow prices are all same what was before

Prices are falling in Krakow.

Krakow down 13.6 % from peak

Whom to believe?

We have all agreed that prices between 2004 - 2008 increased by over 100% so a 13.6% fall in prices from peak is still only a correction, and not a very big one at that. It still means you are going to need one hell of a mortgage to buy one. Even with cash, I cannot see a seller knocking another 90% off but you can always live in hope.
Avalon   
10 Jun 2012
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

My take on it is, prices are falling so you may as well wait until they stop falling before even considering buying.

I agree with peterweg. Wait another four years like Milky and carry on paying rent.

Is that sensible enough for you?