Ironside
19 Apr 2013
Life / Could Poland become an immigrant country? [42]
What is your issue and aim to post such a thread. It doesn't make sense.
Lots of Ukrainians
What is your issue and aim to post such a thread. It doesn't make sense.
Ironside
19 Apr 2013
Language / "No tak"; The Oddest Phrase In Polish For This American [75]
really? would you kindly educate yourself then, even by reading few posts in this thread.
really? would you kindly educate yourself then, even by reading few posts in this thread.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
Come on don't pretend to be dim!
precipitating is not about few people- ah **** it
I must strongly agree with Grzegorz in yet another thread he posted - Poland is attracting strange people.
What did he say wrong?
Come on don't pretend to be dim!
precipitating is not about few people- ah **** it
I must strongly agree with Grzegorz in yet another thread he posted - Poland is attracting strange people.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
I think that best way to show them a middle finger and if they buzz kick them in the scrotum.
Nobody is claiming that, it is rather Jews have that lasting impression that during WWII all Jews were victims and were good which is also patently false.
I say far because either we judge nations by the deeds of their elites and/or majority of population or we Judge them by the deeds of their criminal class.I think that criminal class would doom everybody equally so there is no sense to do it.
But some thread are not about bad Poles doing bad thing but about good Poles doing good things and yet you feel compel to post there with the same.
The best way to counter anti-Polish feeling people might have is not to lie about Polish people.
I think that best way to show them a middle finger and if they buzz kick them in the scrotum.
Claiming that all Polish people only did good things is patently false and is not going to change anybody's opinions about Polish people.
Nobody is claiming that, it is rather Jews have that lasting impression that during WWII all Jews were victims and were good which is also patently false.
You might be right there (if you dropped the word 'far').
I say far because either we judge nations by the deeds of their elites and/or majority of population or we Judge them by the deeds of their criminal class.I think that criminal class would doom everybody equally so there is no sense to do it.
This thread is about that exact topic, which is why I'm discussing it.
But some thread are not about bad Poles doing bad thing but about good Poles doing good things and yet you feel compel to post there with the same.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
So can we have a debate on PF without you constantly chirping in saying yeah yeah but Jews were also killed by Poles in a thread talking about help, an enormous an unprecedented help given to Jews by many Poles during the war. I think in that way you are insulting all those Poles who sacrificed their lives and often life of their families to save Jews during the war.
You can have you say in appropriate thread but I think it is insulting to the Polish nation to be seen and debated only in the light deeds of few individuals mostly form criminal class.
I think that those who actively helped far outweighs those few who actively prosecuted Jews.
I think that WWII for Poland and Poles is much more than Jews.
If one wanted to generalise, it would be most accurate, or least inaccurate anyway, to say 'Poles neither killed Jews during WWII nor saved Jews from the holocaust' as most Poles neither killed Jews nor saved them. Personally I would never make that generalisation.
So can we have a debate on PF without you constantly chirping in saying yeah yeah but Jews were also killed by Poles in a thread talking about help, an enormous an unprecedented help given to Jews by many Poles during the war. I think in that way you are insulting all those Poles who sacrificed their lives and often life of their families to save Jews during the war.
You can have you say in appropriate thread but I think it is insulting to the Polish nation to be seen and debated only in the light deeds of few individuals mostly form criminal class.
I think that those who actively helped far outweighs those few who actively prosecuted Jews.
I think that WWII for Poland and Poles is much more than Jews.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
but I'm not talking about some but about the same sentence without added by you word some?I'm asking if such generalisation used in circumstances d described by the OP is a slander and a lie or not - according to you that is?
Harry cut that BS! My qestion is simple enough can I get a straight answer out of you or not?
As for the truth of the statement 'some Poles participated in the killing of Jews during WWII', t
but I'm not talking about some but about the same sentence without added by you word some?I'm asking if such generalisation used in circumstances d described by the OP is a slander and a lie or not - according to you that is?
Harry cut that BS! My qestion is simple enough can I get a straight answer out of you or not?
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
That is not straight answer.
Do you think that saying about Poles - their participation in the killing of the Jews - is slanderous in the context it has been used or not?Simple enough qestion to answer Harry.
Harry: Define 'ethnic Pole'.
That is not straight answer.
Do you think that saying about Poles - their participation in the killing of the Jews - is slanderous in the context it has been used or not?Simple enough qestion to answer Harry.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
Are you talking about all Polish citizens regardless of their ethnicity or only about ethic Poles?
Also I would appreciate some links to works that support your claim.
You see Harry I'm asking because often YOUR understanding of meaning of words differ from a dictionary definition. So I'm asking to avoid misunderstanding.
collaboration -to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one's country and especially an occupying force [i][/i]
anyway Harry I must point out that you are once again posting off-topic.
Would you agree that such statement is out of line and its a big dirty lie and slander or would you rather defend that statement?
I would appreciate a straight answer from you.
About 5%. Which is a similar amount to those who actively opposed the Nazis.
Are you talking about all Polish citizens regardless of their ethnicity or only about ethic Poles?
Also I would appreciate some links to works that support your claim.
Thank me later.
You see Harry I'm asking because often YOUR understanding of meaning of words differ from a dictionary definition. So I'm asking to avoid misunderstanding.
collaboration -to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one's country and especially an occupying force [i][/i]
anyway Harry I must point out that you are once again posting off-topic.
their participation in the killing of the Jews..
Would you agree that such statement is out of line and its a big dirty lie and slander or would you rather defend that statement?
I would appreciate a straight answer from you.
Ironside
12 Apr 2013
History / How I blew a 6 figure grant for my charity because of my appreciation of Polish history... [77]
Define a lot and while you are on it define collaborate.
Understandably it is not you concern.
Your first problem is that a lot of Poles did collaborate with the Nazis.
Define a lot and while you are on it define collaborate.
i can see virtually no purpose in putting him straight.
Understandably it is not you concern.
Ironside
11 Apr 2013
History / Interesting film archive site has stuff on Youtube - Fall of the Polish Calvary 1939 [4]
there is plenty footages from the times on the youtube, not plenty but some.
But it is still footage of the times ...
there is plenty footages from the times on the youtube, not plenty but some.
Ironside
11 Apr 2013
History / Interesting film archive site has stuff on Youtube - Fall of the Polish Calvary 1939 [4]
It has nothing to do with Krojanty.
Some randomly put together pictures.
It has nothing to do with Krojanty.
Some randomly put together pictures.
Ironside
8 Apr 2013
Life / Hey, Nice Airport Wrocław! Or! Day #1 for an American Ex-Pat in Poland. [128]
No international borders
Oh, yes there were
No international borders
Ironside
8 Apr 2013
Life / Hey, Nice Airport Wrocław! Or! Day #1 for an American Ex-Pat in Poland. [128]
Not really, I mean the river was always Silesian river, some northern or southern parts could be now and then close to borders but I don't recall circumstances to fit your descriptions.
Certainly Wroclaw as a whole belonged to whichever country Silesia belonged to. No borders on the river Oder dividing Wroclaw in two.
When south and west of the Odra belonged to the Habsburgs, the north and east belonged to the Poles.
Not really, I mean the river was always Silesian river, some northern or southern parts could be now and then close to borders but I don't recall circumstances to fit your descriptions.
Certainly Wroclaw as a whole belonged to whichever country Silesia belonged to. No borders on the river Oder dividing Wroclaw in two.
Ironside
8 Apr 2013
Life / Hey, Nice Airport Wrocław! Or! Day #1 for an American Ex-Pat in Poland. [128]
Could you elaborate it is not quite clear what you are trying to say.
During several eras when Poland's borders abutted other nations at the Odra, the northern bank has been Poland's, throughout.
Could you elaborate it is not quite clear what you are trying to say.
Ironside
5 Apr 2013
News / Barbara Piasecka Johnson, Maid Who Married Multimillionaire, Dies at 76 [57]
Moral? They got money from his father, probably more than enough. Wanting - makes people greedy.
Wanting a (possible) rightful inheritance doesn't make the kids greedy - just their legal and possibly moral due.
Moral? They got money from his father, probably more than enough. Wanting - makes people greedy.
Ironside
5 Apr 2013
News / Barbara Piasecka Johnson, Maid Who Married Multimillionaire, Dies at 76 [57]
If he was - screw such greedy kids!
Absolutely true, IF he was in his right mind. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. If the latter, then the kids got screwed.
If he was - screw such greedy kids!
Ironside
5 Apr 2013
Real Estate / The cost of a furnished apartment near Warsaw downtown are high? Why? [42]
people that is getting ludicrous - do not feed that chaparral troll.
people that is getting ludicrous - do not feed that chaparral troll.
Ironside
5 Apr 2013
News / Barbara Piasecka Johnson, Maid Who Married Multimillionaire, Dies at 76 [57]
His money his decision, evidently he was lonely.
Article says about $500 million.
His money his decision, evidently he was lonely.
Ironside
5 Apr 2013
News / Barbara Piasecka Johnson, Maid Who Married Multimillionaire, Dies at 76 [57]
How much he was worth?
How much he was worth?
Ironside
2 Apr 2013
History / A question regarding government positions in the C19 [5]
Well it would depend on circumstances and whom you would ask about it. Generally however he would be seen as somebody whom the nobles elected to further their interest.
Hope that answers your qestion.
One last thing, would this role of Marszalek have had any connotations of collaboration with the Russians, or would the Marszalek have been seen as the szlachta's intermediary with the Russians?
Well it would depend on circumstances and whom you would ask about it. Generally however he would be seen as somebody whom the nobles elected to further their interest.
Hope that answers your qestion.
Ironside
2 Apr 2013
History / A Polish Town in Turkey. Who Knew? [9]
(Adampol) was founded by Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski in 1842. He was the Chairman of the Polish National Uprising Government and the leader of a political emigration party
The land belonged to the Czartoryski Family until 1990' when they renounced their ownership and have given land to their tenants.
Quite a few Poles sought refuge in Turkey after the failed Polish insurrections of the C19
(Adampol) was founded by Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski in 1842. He was the Chairman of the Polish National Uprising Government and the leader of a political emigration party
The land belonged to the Czartoryski Family until 1990' when they renounced their ownership and have given land to their tenants.
Ironside
2 Apr 2013
Love / My reaction to a thread against foreigners marrying Polish girls [37]
Should get it over and any stupid gal that goes for a Muslim dude should get her citizenship revoked.
I think if a Muslim (Arab or Pakistani) wishes to marry a Polish/European girl,
Should get it over and any stupid gal that goes for a Muslim dude should get her citizenship revoked.
Ironside
28 Mar 2013
History / A question regarding government positions in the C19 [5]
That would be created by Russia an office that merged some of Polish nobles traditional autonomous system of government with centralist regime of Russia. I will post details later.
Marshal in Polish tradition and system was the title of the royal court official(nominated by the King) or court official(elected), or sometimes civil official (elected).
I would say it was middleman between nobles and governor.
However Marshal of Szlachta has been created after 1772 on the territory garbed by Russia.
You can find such office in the collection of laws of the Russian Empire 1842.
Marshal of Szlachta was deputy of Russian governor and was responsible for dealing with all autonomous bodies of Szlachta as well as collecting taxes.(they had their own office)
Marshals were taking part in the court cases if it involved complain against petty official. They were responsible for census in their county and were taking part in government commissions which were taken care of all issues imaginable from overseeing constructions to drafting men into army.
Also they were arbitrating all issues regarding nobles, like managing estates of minors, indebted estates and cases of owners especially cruel to their serfs.
Marshal of szlachta was elected by all nobles in the county for three years. What judge? Are you sure you don't mean arbiter? A judge it those times could mean a number of things.
Well Polish nobles as a rule have been educated very well but I don't think that any formal education was prerequisite to that office.
Just paperwork for the military and dealing with draft.
Hope it will help you.
What would it mean to have been a Marshal of the szlachta in a district, and a judge, in the early to mid 19th Century?
That would be created by Russia an office that merged some of Polish nobles traditional autonomous system of government with centralist regime of Russia. I will post details later.
Marshal in Polish tradition and system was the title of the royal court official(nominated by the King) or court official(elected), or sometimes civil official (elected).
What would have been the role of a Marshal (Marszalek), how was it conferred on an individual, and what were the responsibilities and obligations associated with same?
I would say it was middleman between nobles and governor.
However Marshal of Szlachta has been created after 1772 on the territory garbed by Russia.
You can find such office in the collection of laws of the Russian Empire 1842.
Marshal of Szlachta was deputy of Russian governor and was responsible for dealing with all autonomous bodies of Szlachta as well as collecting taxes.(they had their own office)
Marshals were taking part in the court cases if it involved complain against petty official. They were responsible for census in their county and were taking part in government commissions which were taken care of all issues imaginable from overseeing constructions to drafting men into army.
Also they were arbitrating all issues regarding nobles, like managing estates of minors, indebted estates and cases of owners especially cruel to their serfs.
What would it mean to have been a Marshal of the szlachta in a district, and a judge, in the early to mid 19th Century?
Marshal of szlachta was elected by all nobles in the county for three years. What judge? Are you sure you don't mean arbiter? A judge it those times could mean a number of things.
Was there any educational requirements, such as a University degree?
Well Polish nobles as a rule have been educated very well but I don't think that any formal education was prerequisite to that office.
Were there any military connotations in respect of being a Marshal?
Just paperwork for the military and dealing with draft.
Hope it will help you.
Ironside
25 Mar 2013
UK, Ireland / Benefit cuts for Poles in The UK? [143]
As it has been proven that European welfare seekers is just an urban myth all that busy bee activity must be connected to Romania and millions of their gypsies. Such legislation will give them basis for removal of unwanted gypsies.
see if they want they can.
As it has been proven that European welfare seekers is just an urban myth all that busy bee activity must be connected to Romania and millions of their gypsies. Such legislation will give them basis for removal of unwanted gypsies.
see if they want they can.
Ironside
24 Mar 2013
Polonia / Is Holland antipolish? [29]
no they like most of western Europe get so used to live in the artificial dome created for the benefit of the cold war that they are disturbed by anything that would bring them to their senses and stark reality.
no they like most of western Europe get so used to live in the artificial dome created for the benefit of the cold war that they are disturbed by anything that would bring them to their senses and stark reality.
Ironside
23 Mar 2013
News / Poland Unemployment: Nobody protests, because people are leaving [30]
Less or more no matter, Soviets Poles or Poles just climbing steps if the system no matter they would have to be scrutinized closely.
They are not real elite they are just weeds, they could be broken easily given right circumstances and they would scatter like a chaff.
That's become less and less true as the years go by.
Less or more no matter, Soviets Poles or Poles just climbing steps if the system no matter they would have to be scrutinized closely.
I'll wish you good luck with that one but don't get your hopes up.
They are not real elite they are just weeds, they could be broken easily given right circumstances and they would scatter like a chaff.
Ironside
23 Mar 2013
News / Poland Unemployment: Nobody protests, because people are leaving [30]
Cheap philosophy.
We have system set by commies secret police and people behind the scene pulling strings. So called elite in Poland is mostly Soviet or working in that system set up by Soviets.
That system and those people with their money and connections need to go.
Revolution means civil war. And no one 'wins" in war, everyone loses to differing degrees.
Cheap philosophy.
It's nothing new really, before the current mess, we had Commies vs. ex-Solidarity people, both playing tricks instead of actually doing their jobs.
We have system set by commies secret police and people behind the scene pulling strings. So called elite in Poland is mostly Soviet or working in that system set up by Soviets.
That system and those people with their money and connections need to go.
Ironside
22 Mar 2013
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]
It is not about individuals but about a system they put in place and they have after all children ready to step into their shoes.
I think that is not about time but about a must to get rid off the Soviet elite to end their exploitation of Poland.
Sooner or later, the old commies will die
It is not about individuals but about a system they put in place and they have after all children ready to step into their shoes.
I think that is not about time but about a must to get rid off the Soviet elite to end their exploitation of Poland.
Ironside
22 Mar 2013
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]
well you need to start somewhere, problem of Poland is that the country has great potential but it cannot be realized due to Soviet elite ruling her.
Maybe in 20/30 years the country can take over a more prominent role in Europe, but not now.
well you need to start somewhere, problem of Poland is that the country has great potential but it cannot be realized due to Soviet elite ruling her.
Ironside
22 Mar 2013
History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]
and you completely underestimate it.
You completely overestimate the importance of Poland (economically and politically) within Europe.
and you completely underestimate it.