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Ironside   
29 May 2013
News / Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday? [208]

The constitution is from 1997 so not so early after the end of PRL

Doesn't really matter Lenka. Poland is in the Soviets-Poles clutches from the start. Germans and Czechs made a short work out of all them secret police and commie types but only Poland left then in the position of Power. No wonder Poland looks the way she looks.

Even Hungary is getting rid of those spidery snoopiest mafia types from the public life. As they are blocking a chance of any real development and grow for a country.They influence means strangulation.

If people want Sunday to be kept special, then why on earth aren't they demanding the shut down of all but absolutely essential services?

Well yes that would be my option.

What is your problem with Poland officially recognizing the right of freedom of religion to all? Why are you trying to deny it?

The problem is one you have a country as a secular one some shady types are bend on changing it into you Christin belongs in cellars and every attempt at bringing to light and implement Christan values in the public life is met with opposition of minorities.

It means that democracy (as a rule of majority) is rendered unless.
Also Greece is orthodox country, it doesn't mean that non religious types or other religions are persecuted and discriminated against (at lest in the classical meaning of those terms).

That is the reason I support to change Constitution and to state that Poland is a Christan country where Christan values would take a precedence over minorities ideas.

That would make me a real democrat and all those minorities lobbyists into enemies of democracy and justice.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

You asked for the part of Chris' post which supported Delph's statement about Chris wanting to show proof that Poles were in the majority there

Don't tell me what I have asked for, please.

So I directed you to the part about Wilsonian free determination of peoples.

It wasn't what I have been asking for.

If you didn't understand what he meant, that's fine.

I do understand that you claim to know better what I have said and then you are answering that question. Which is in fact an answer to your own post.

Keep debating with yourself Harry I don't mind.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Well you said :

That what Chris R posted cannot be relied on.
And unfortunately for him, the numbers from the 1921 Census (that most people agree is reliable) tell a story that I don't think he wants told; namely the huge majority of Ukrainians in Wolyn.

Could you point me to his post that support your claim or leave the lasting impressions that in fact your posts cannot be relied on.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Blaming the Soviets for the actions of the 1930s Polish government

please, debate with yourself as long as you want but why would you quote my post?

nd unfortunately for him, the numbers from the 1921 Census (that most people agree is reliable) tell a story that I don't think he wants told; namely the huge majority of Ukrainians in Wolyn.

Can you point to his post that actually says what you said it does?
Ironside   
28 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Forgive us for believing what chairman of the Polish census statistical office at the time, Edward Szturm de Sztrem, said about the census over your version.

When he said it? Wouldn't that be during the time when Soviets were consolidating their rule over Poland? It makes his statement to the effect worthless.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Which was notoriously known to be rigged.

which was notoriously claimed to be rigged. In fact nothing can be further from the truth.

Ethnic cleansing? I don't think so

Well you are using that term whenever it suit you, yet you refuse the same right to others.
Also there is no doubt that UPA with their ideology have been involved in an attempt on an ethnic cleansing.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

I disagree. If Poles were encouraged to work hard at home perhaps there wouldn't be a need for immigrants.

you are just making things up as you go, Just stop it you are going from bad to worse. there is no shame in admitting that even after 12 years in Poland you have no clue as to whats what.

If it wasn't such a common occurrence that it is now even standard practice, then perhaps there wouldn't be a need.

Not more than a fraction of the Polish society have experience of working abroad. I'm going be generous and put the number on 10% of the whole. I don't think that is so a great number at all as the Polish and the EU policy encourage such dynamics.

how many Poles are living abroad now? there must be some statistic.

I doubt that, what do you mean by Poles.
Some Poles are migrants - probably majority of those who left, some are emigrants and those who went abroad recently and those who went abroad years ago.In all its hard to say if you put the question like that ie in general rather than specific terms.

I would say that after 2004 about 2 million Poles left for longer that few year.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
News / Adolf Hitler is still a citizen of Szczecin [15]

A legal attempt to strip Adolf Hitler of his honorary citizenship of Szczecin

I don't think that German or the Nazi law still apply in Szczecin. In regard to Stalin that citizenship should be revoked automatically by the Paramilitary act.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

If Poles don't want different cultures living in Poland then they themselves need to stop immigrating abroad.

There is not such connection. That is Europe not Canada. \If you don't understand that it is European trait.
Anyway Poland had different cultures living in Poland for centuries and some of them wanted to part ways taking with them chunks of the land, So western perspective of the last 300 years are just still not enough to make judgment on Poland and to impose their views on poles either. We been there and we done it.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

sorry, but this has to do with the "Polish are never wrong" phenom that exists in this country. The inability to see anybody else's perspective but their own.

I don't think that such phenomena is exclusive Polish. I would call that inability but rather unwillingness.

And there is a double standard that exists here- no immigrants wanted in Poland but they have the right to work and live and immigrate if they want to. They have the right to set up mini villages abroad, keep their language, schools and churches. Polish immigration.

Do you really think that is another strictly Polish trait? Think again!

Look at how much English has pushed its way into common language.

Well those on the top are mostly Soviet Poles so they do not really care about the language purity.

Immigrants such as Vietnamese are not going to change Poland.

Given the unprecedented scale of emigration and migration and the fact that Polish economy is shrinking in fact there is wonder why some people would like to immigrate to Poland. One would think that it has something to do with the EU.

Anyway you are mixing issues here. Immigration and multi-multi are a two different things. Also standards or behavior of some individuals do not reflect a state policy.

Mixing all those together you just came up with your personal prejudiced opinion about Poles and your own double standards- can you see that?

The United States seems pretty successful, for example.

The USA is a half of the continent build on immigration and still there were times when anti-immigrant sentiments took over. Also the USA is very sparsely populated if you compare they with Europe.

If we look at the EU, the richer and more successful nations with in it seem to be the multicultural ones.

what was first there, success and colonies or immigrants and then success and colonies. Anyway success is a question of definition I don't think that those nation are successful.
Ironside   
28 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

no. I won't. You know what.

As your post have been edited by Mod I cannot judge its content properly.
From what you are saying some churlish behavior which I do not condone in the slightest you are using to justify your swiping generalizations. I could call it racism or xenophobic attitude or pigheadedness and lack of flexibility I could if I were you but I'm not.

You have your views and your way of seeing things and if you see Poles in such a light - God speed.
I'm just point out to you that your reproof to Poles for not embracing, comply with some silly ideology and claiming that it is exclusively Polish traits was funnily enough border line blanket statement according to the Mod. According to me it was in fact blanked statement for which you refused to apologize.

Typical double standards in action. Why don't you practice what you preach?
Ironside   
27 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Your attempt to insult me ones again miserably failed. Interactions per definition are not one sided. Are you by that cryptic post admitting that your knowledge of Ukrainian and Polish interactions are not sufficient to make definite judgment on the subject?
Ironside   
27 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

I am not trying to transplant my point of view. And yet they decided that it is ok to immigrate yet Poland shouldn't allow immigrants. This is what I mean by double standard

Well, do you claim that such attitudes are exclusively Polish and are shared by undisputed majority of Poles? If not you choose a strange way to express yourself and I think you should apologize and retract your statement.
Ironside   
27 May 2013
Life / Is multi-culti in Poland bankrupt? [73]

Yawn. Nasz Dziennik is run by Rydzyk. No-one takes it seriously.

Surly you jest. ND is not run by Rydzyk and many people take it seriously.
Ironside   
25 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Do you need some time out to think over what you have typed above? Would you care to take it back before I comment on this?

I take it you don't.
Are you saying that partitions civilized Poles and are you at the same time saying that Ukrainians should remain for a few decades as Polish colony for them to act civilized?

Old good imperialist Jon, soon you will talk about white's man burden.lol
Ironside   
25 May 2013
News / Krystyna Pawłowicz and the 'marsz szmata' (slut walk) [52]

And it does happen often enough in Poland as anywhere. And although male sexuality is a dangerous thing, a woman is still never, ever to blame - no matter how she dresses.

Nor should women be brainwashed into thinking that they dress, behavior. company and place has nothing to do with rape.
Ironside   
25 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

You conveniently forget that even decades before Gorgolewski was born the Poles had had more time to get used to the partitions than the II Republic even existed for. Perhaps it it had lasted a few decades longer we'd have seen an honourable uprising by the Ukrainians.

Do you need some time out to think over what you have typed above? Would you care to take it back before I comment on this?

Spot on. We don't post polemics about Chris's country's relations with Cuba.

That would be off-topic on PF anyway.
Ironside   
25 May 2013
History / Zygmunt Gorgolewski- the architect of the Opera House in Lwów [47]

Are Poles more adaptable at learning Germanic languages than Ukrainians are at learning Polish, a similar Slavic language, or is this just a poor excuse for the ethnic violence that happened in WWII?

Just an excuse that one is obvious.
Ironside   
25 May 2013
News / Krystyna Pawłowicz and the 'marsz szmata' (slut walk) [52]

Is there a dress code on the streets of Poland? I wasn't aware that there was.

So you are denying the obvious that irresponsible behavior may end baldly?
(sure there is - dress appropriately)

Know many people who walk around naked, do you?

naked or half-naked a qestion of definition.

They've got as much right to do that as they have to dress how they like.

so they do and nobody deny their right to dress as they like a bad taste included. However promoting irresponsibility as a noble cause should be punishable and I'm talking about organization and activists who improperly promote such demonstrations.

I think that every reasonable person would agree with me that it is better to prevent crime by advising people to behave responsibly.

Fortunately, I suspect Polonius will have to answer for his statement here.

stop bulling people delph
Ironside   
25 May 2013
News / Krystyna Pawłowicz and the 'marsz szmata' (slut walk) [52]

h dear Polonius, you seem to be saying that women bear responsibility for being raped. That's pretty disgusting, even for an old man like yourself.

Where he is saying that? Stop manipulating.
Victims of a crime bear no responsibility for the crime. However victim irresponsible behaviour can contribute to a chance of one becoming a victim. One of which is a dress code.

The Same circles who that they are a voice of reason and enlightenment, are strangely resistant to reason and empiric evidence.
Dressing like slut and walking about naked is irresponsible behavior and one which may end in tears.
Advocating otherwise is just blind irresponsible stubbornness just to be contrary.
After all there are not movement that are advertising to people to dress smartly wear all their jewelery and flout about wads of cash especially in the places of a bad repute.
Ironside   
25 May 2013
News / Krystyna Pawłowicz and the 'marsz szmata' (slut walk) [52]

What do posters here feel about the remarks of Krystyna Pawłowicz (PiS) concerning the 'marsz smata' (slut walk) on 18 May?

Well she didn't say that.
Asked by TVN what she thinks about planed walk she responded that participants evaluated themselves and then she quoted an invitation to walk issued by some left organization Manufacture of Equality - hence slut walk as in quote.
Ironside   
24 May 2013
News / Krystyna Pawłowicz and the 'marsz szmata' (slut walk) [52]

Weird marches and senseless demonstrations may cause weird reactions in people who should know better.

a disgrace to her gender.

Those shady dressed women are disgrace to their gender.

I think the slut walk is strange and don't see how it benefits women.

+1

You went to watch, did you?

Err and whats wrong with that? He may watch he can even f@@ but respect or marry - nay.