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Poland is a Catholic country [177]
The RCC in Poland seems to operate on a for-profit basis in practice, until I see otherwise, that's how I'm gonna see it.*
What do you mean - seems - your seems is wrong. That all I have to say.
It's not a single sentient body.
No is not but if the Church is attacked as whole then there is only right to point out positive and heroic deeds and its positive role on a whole in the Polish history.
No, it's your fault you snip and cut my quotations according to your liking and reply to them in part, making my statements contextually completely different. It's called manipulation.
I did not snip, cut or change your expressions in any way. I have been quoting your sentences as you write them. You are the type who blame others for his own shortcomings. Stop it and accept responsibility for your own words.
Main bulk? Show me some proof, statistics, how much money goes from church to the charity and what percentage is that. Then we can talk
Show me some proof or statistic that your claim is valid. I are only talking. That is your opinion based on thin air and dare to demand proof? My words are based on the knowledge of multiple charitable organizations and action run by the Church in Poland and abroad.
It stands to reason that all cost money so there is not that much left.
Also, have you been to any polish church recently? Hardly any gold? Right.
If something is glided or is shiny doesn't mean that it gold. Not all what shine is a gold.
And how did the "owners" get the money? Income. Taxed? No.
Bishops? I don't know how that works for Bishops but for priests they buy it from their what they earn. The first car is often funded by their family. Income is definitely taxed. The fact that you seems have your idea of the way priest should be taxed do not change a thing.
You claim to support a unobtrusive state who tax people a little. So I must conclude that your vicious attack on priest income and willingness to tax them to the hilt deriver from jealousy or a grudge. Not nice feelings, not generous but that we both know that you are not a nice person.
The only problem that I have is that these services should be taxed just like any other services performed by other parties. You willingly omitted my example about the party and the DJ, which was spot-on and you know it.
Well yes it is spot on. I wasn't clear enough and mixed things. I mean to say that there are no fixed price for those services but such services are not forced on anyone, you choose them willingly. So if you are not using them why complain about them and if somebody choose to use them and then complains he/she is a dick.
Here I don't have to explain that to you, do I?:
isidorus.net/show/prawo,7,Opodatkowanie_kosciolow_oraz_osob_duchownych&jezyk=PL
My vision is false? Okay, then who elects these idiots to the parliament? Aliens?
other idiots who have no clue about citizen duties to care for the common good and most of them care only for their own sorry asses. As long as their are fools those sum will rule in Poland.
You still failed to disclose how much does the state still owe to the parasite that our church is.
How about some statistic, proof anything that support your claim, so far you are talking out your ass. I could have been claiming that you are a parasite scamming people and Polish state with the same degree of poof you presented here.
'm being awkward? So, you're telling me the tax money I pay don't go to church or its ministries? Welcome to the alternative reality
no I'm telling you that government unwillingness of returning the Church property is the main culprit of the fact they prefer using taxes to pay them off. Why do you choose to blame the Church is beyond me. Do you understand those circumstances or not?
That is not up for you to decide. I, as an atheist, am a minority in Poland. I'm definitely not best protected by "moral" and "ethical" "teachings" of the Church.
I don't see why. Do they force you to go to the Church or sing the Lords prise or you will not be given a passport? That nonsense, you know very well they you can do as much as you please and there are not religious encroachment on your rights.
Right. Originally protestant or anglican democracies are so negligible that they are not even worth mentioning.
Are Protestant not Christan?
Take a look at the non-religious, and thus uncivilized and savage countries, such as: Estonia, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, Norway, Japan or United Kingdom. How come they are doing pretty well without any religious superstitions?
Those countries started as Christan countries and that is my point. Christianity as a cradle of modern democracy.
War on civilization? Interracial relationships used to be just that. Working women used to be just that
Never heard about the RCC denying right to marry to interracial couples or against women employment on the moral ground. Progressivism is a false path.
So yes war on civilization.No way!
But no one is preventing you from following your moral code as a Christian. You don't need to have it signed into law to follow it
How is that different for you? None is preventing you form following your atheist creed. You don't need the law to be atheist to follow it.
If it's Christian values, then following your logic, most of the western, civilized Europe is not democratic. That is obviously false.
Obviously not.
If you keep on imposing your christian morals on others who don't want to accept them, you are the dangerous idiot here.
Why imposing? They are trying imposing their
values on majority. According to you they do not need changes in the law to follow their creed.
They are dangerous idiots because they do not recognize that only moral code based on religion is the best deterrent against states turning totalitarian.
