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How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]
Just quickly: what are your suggestions then? Just compare the population size of the developed nations to the third world.
90% of which are self-inflicted
Exactly. And that culture of self-infliction won't stop once they arrive in developed nations. As we saw on this page alone there is the typical leftist mantra that its envitable for the West to be the relief valve for an overpopulated third world and those who show up from there should face no expectation of integrating.
The people leaving these countries in droves are not the best and brightest either. And even if they were then that is all the more reason to turn them back so they can develop and make their own societies better - be it according to their own ways or modeled after the West.
The West doesn't have to nuke anyone. Mu'ammar al-Kaddafi was able to hold back the tide but he eventually wanted money to do so. The West shouldn't have to pay bribes to any such shady characters (and there are many in this world where these migrants are coming from).
The West can do a lot though apart from just saying no and beefing up border controls which have been a complete joke anyway.
For countries where most are fleeing the West can impose steep sanctions against its leaders and cut off any other foreign aid going to them or at the very least deduct the expenses in millions if not billions for keeping their nationals in the West. Same with countries which simply move the migrants along because they don't want to deal with them either.
The West should also demand that these countries give up land, natural resources, and other mineral rights in exchange for their migrants. They can balk at this idea but these countries need and want to trade. So for example if Nigeria refused to compensate the West for the migrants it sends to Europe then when it exports its oil to some place like Spain, the Netherlands or even Brazil or India then the EU should have the oil tankers impounded and the oil confiscated. This isn't a radical concept. Several years ago a private equity firm based in a Caribbean tax haven bought Argentina's debt then managed to have one of the country's navy vessels impounded in an African port for collateral.
Many countries have exploding populations because their governments don't confront the problem. Some I'm sure encourage it because, like the Turks, they are happy to have their diaspora go abroad knowing they won't be expected to integrate and so can eventually enter politics and use their influence and power to benefit their ancestral homeland.
But many countries are suffering from over population because it is the only pension guarantees that families have. So when a family has ten sons they will live well. When their ten sons go to Europe they will live like royalty with the money sent back home.
So never mind the leftist "pensions time bomb in Poland and the West" canard being played on PF today. This is a much bigger problem world wide especially as populations explodes while people are living longer.
People either don't understand or don't care if you tell them that having too many children is the cause of their poverty and destruction of their environment. Therefore they need to be given meaningful incentives they can understand. And that means money. If the EU is going to spend billions on migrants anyway then it should take the money instead and underwrite the pensions of people in other countries but with conditions. The money can be transferred in the form of opening markets to pension providers or through foreign aid and cut off if it isn't implemented as required. The condition should be that it is means tested and that the FEWER children in a family should result in higher payouts. It should also be phased in where those who are working do have to pay into the system with higher premiums for those with more children and lower premiums with those with less. Overtime this would encourage families to have fewer children.
I eagerly await your analysis of how this deficit can be reduced.
The current results achieving government (which you despise) has already been addressing the issue with commonsense approaches:
Poland announces big shakeup in pension system* Plan not as radical as some investors had feared
* Scheme will encourage workers to save more money
* Also will help government to keep lid on public debt
Source: reuters.com/article/poland-pensions-idUSL8N19Q134
Note too that the article acknowledged the real problem is that most heading into retirement today didn't save enough during the heyday of communism. As I mentioned a few posts above this is a Baby Boomer problem and communism was a failure.
The article also stated:
Economists said the plan, which will go into effect in 2018, will give the ruling nationalist-minded Law and Justice (PiS) party more room to finance an ambitious welfare spending agenda.
So there. Polish pensioners are not facing poverty and having to buy cat food to eat and keeping the lights and heat turned off in their homes.
Anyway, I don't see why an out of work British carpetbagger faced with being deported from Poland is so worried about Poland's budget for her pensioners. In any event your hidden agenda to bring 6 million migrants to Poland under the ruse of "saving Poland's pension program" isn't the answer. Apart from being a leftist voting block which you admitted was "for ensuring that right wing Polish politics stay forever in opposition" the fact is they in turn will also need millions of new migrants to come in behind them to provide for their own pensions. And on and on the Ponzi scheme goes and you know it.
But since you have lefty leanings the obvious and only correct answer for you is to socialize Poland's pension problem across the EU much like is done with the CAP. So why don't you write to your idol Tusk and have him come up with a solution. And don't worry about being misunderstood; he does speak English so you can write to him in your native language and avoid embarrassing yourself with your pidgin Polish.