News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]


Yeah i heard that on the news too. I thought it was Gdansk too but I guess it's Gdyna (it's the tri-city area). Didn't know they were from Holland but yeah, they were definitely there to buy guns. It is very easy to buy weapons in Poland from handguns, to AK's, to even RPGs and if you know someone and have the cash old soviet tanks.

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People who aren't Polish stick out like a sore thumb in Poland. Even though I'm white, brown hair and blue eyed, still people would stare at me and I know they could tell that I'm from another country - Polish yes but that I've been living abroad.


Yeah exactly that's what I mean. It's most likely census data.

Language / I need advice - how long does it take to learn Polish? [70]

For beginners, I highly recommend children's books, poems, etc. for anyone who is in the beginning phrases of learning a new language.

Once you have a basic grasp of the alphabet, grammar, and some vocabulary, the next best thing to do is to immerse yourself in the culture and live in the country, or at least spend a bit of time there. Learning a language is a lifelong experience. I scored a 32 on my high school ACT in English (which is like 97% percentile out of 99%) and I still learn new words and phrases all the time. I also took Spanish for 4 years in college and I learned more Spanish vocabulary and grammar living in Mexico for a few months than I would've spending a couple hours every week for a year in a classroom.

Classrooms are great for learning the alphabet, grammar, and some basic vocabulary. Another great way is to read children's book and gradually move up in difficulty - that's how I started learning Spanish and Russian (which I am still learning). Immersing yourself in the culture, watching Polish movies/TV, reading newspapers would be your next step after you learned the basic. Before long, you won't be breaking up words into smaller syllables and reading with your finger and you'll sound like a native Pole!

Study / Is there racism in Poznan and hate crime against coloured people (students)? [59]

Poland is quite xenophobic due to it's history and the fact that it's been for many years rather isolated. However, an increasing amount of people, especially the young that seem keen on more integration with western Europe, are more tolerant of others.

Poland is a very homogeneous country - the vast majority are Roman Catholic Polish people. It's not a mixed society like England, France, Belgium or the US. A lot of people have preconceived notions about certain races and religions and may come off as xenophobic or stereotype because they just simply aren't as exposed to other cultures as other countries' citizens.

Again though, that is changing pretty rapidly with the population. If you're in a large city like Warsaw or even Poznan you should be fine. Just stay away from the bad neighborhoods and avoid the soccer hooligans, many of whom are neo-Nazis and you won't get beat up.

In the university though people are going to be much more open and you may actually find that you'll make more friends and be more popular as a foreigner since again the society is homogeneous. If you do encounter racism, it might be like someone shouting at you from a car as they pass by or stares from older Poles, but it's unlikely that you'll encounter violence unless you like walk into certain neighborhoods and are hanging around the bloki where neo-Nazis are known to reside.

Overall though, I doubt you'll have a problem with safety in Poznan, especially as a university student.

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Poland is very mixed if you're going by technical specifics and measuring mitochondrial DNA, haplotypes, etc. then no, Poland is not pure Polish. The reason for this is because of it's geographical position and the history of that area. Poland has faced the Swedish Deluge, the partitions, world wars, forced Sovietization and had one of the largest nations in Europe during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. so if most Polish people took got their DNA tested there would most likely be German, Austrian, Swedish, Russian, Lithuanian, Ukranian, etc. Poland for Poles who have at least 50% mitochondrial Polish DNA just doesn't have the same ring ; )

It's like the city of Lviv - Lwow. Yes, it's a Ukranian city now but many of the people are actually Polish as it was a Polish city before WW2. They may identify as Ukranian but chances are in many cases they have Polish blood. I'm from Wroclaw which throughout it's history has switched hands between Poland and Germany lots of times but I identify as Polish even though I'm sure I have some German blood.

I think that if you identify as Polish and have some Polish ancestors - yes, then you're Polish. There's going to be a tiny minority of people that pretend to be another nationality - like that white girl who claimed she was black, but again, that's a tiny minority. People ought to be proud of who they are.

Also, Easter attack in Pakistan leaves 70 dead and 300 injured. The terrorists were purposely targeting Catholics during an Easter celebration... smh...

Love / Turkish girl is going to meet her Polish boyfriend's family - needs tips. [47]

Let us know how it went - I'm sure a lot of us are curious

News / What kind of Poland do most Poles want? [101]

Yes I was raised in the US but I will be returning to Poland in the very near future. I actually just came from a 2 month trip to Wroclaw, Walbrzych, Konin, Poznan, Rychwal and Dortmund - where I found out my aunt lost her job of 10 years because the government confiscated the hotel she use to work at and turned it into a migrant shelter. She has to worry about finding a new job and paying the rent while the migrants get to live for free in a 4 star hotel and enjoy the pool.

Anyway, ethnicity and faith does shape a lot of one's wordlview, values, morals, customs, and personality even. A Muslim women will have different views and such than a Catholic woman.

The US is a huge mix of migrants and although yes many do intermarry I would say much more people marry people of the same nationality. Mexicans with mexicans, poles with poles, jews with jews, etc. It's more the Americans that are irish, italian, croatian, native American and like 4 other nationalities, when you ask them what their nationality is, that are more inclined to intermarry.

Personally, I wish Europe would've remained the way it was before this whole migrant mess, but now it's past that so hopefully Poland, the Visegard 4, and the East European countries unite and resist EU hegemony and interference in their affairs.

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The other I have dual citizenship, speak 4 languages, have an international business degree, lived in 5 states in the US and have travelled to at least 30 countries in North America/Carribean, Europe, Asia, and the Middle East for both work and leisure. I have spent many summers in college backpacking through Europe and Latin America. I have lived in Poland, US, Germany and Mexico - amd by lived I mean rented a place not just stayed in a hotel or hostel for a while.

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Forgot to add Holland to the list... I studied abroad at the University of Maastricht for a semester.

Although the majority of my travel has been in N. America and Europe, I have experienced more cultures and met more people from all walks of life in my short life than most average people will their entire life.

If I were dating someone, no culture and nationality wouldn't matter. However, as the saying goes you marry into the family and I think quite frankly it's simply easier and would has less tension than marrying into the same nationality or atleast a very similar one.

Look at all the threads with people freaking out about being turkish, indian, etc. And meeting their significant other's Polish parents and worrying if they'll accept their nationality, religion, or even not like them because of it. Even in a recent one, a Turkish girl wrote that her father is the patriotic type and hopefully in time he'll accept the Polish boyfriend. Yes, everyone gets nervous when meeting in laws but these issues and concerns about accepting culture and religion don't arise when two people are the same. Then there is the issue of raising the children: Muslim or Catholic, who if anyone will convert, do you celebrate Muhammed or Jesus or both, etc.

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]

Crow,

Do you know where these soldiers are stationed -is it in the capital Pristina by any chance? I do know northern Kosovo is majority Serb and over 1/3 of Bosnia identifies as Serbian. Well Crow, I am with you as is my family. What NATO did to Belgrade was sad and their propping up of Thai is a mistake

Dougpol, it doesn't take a genius or a police statistician to see all the rapes that are being committed by these Muslim refugees. There's countless videos of women, camera crews, charities, and Catholics leaving church getting accosted and attacked by Muslims. There are even Sharia patrols in London and Belgium this is public knowledge. No Poland should not allow in Muslim refugees because we don't want our women to get raped and fondled by Muslims like they did to women in Sweden during concerts and in Cologne on New Years Eve. What's worse is that the media and the police try to cover these events up to protect their liberal politicians.

Actually, Poland helped out Ukraine quite a bit during the recent conflict with Russia. They allow Ukrainians to come into Poland too, I believe around 1,000 refugees were let in. I totally support that because those are our neighbors and have a similar culture, similar values, similar language and similar religion. Even Pilsudzki allied with Ukraine against the Russians in the past. These people are very similar to us but the Muslims are not. It is a totally different culture and not only does the majority of Muslim migrants not integrate and instead set up ghettos, they threaten the local society and local citizens through things like sharia patrols, rapes of women like mentioned above, torching shelters and tents paid for by charities and taxpayers, and shoot at police like we say in Belgium just a week or so agp when some French and Belgian cops tried to serve a warrant in one of these Muslim ghettos popping up all over Europe. I don't know if you were born in Poland, have property in Poland, and have nearly your entire family in Poland but I do so I am going to do whatever I can to totally resist my country and my family from being endangered and corrupted

News / What kind of Poland do most Poles want? [101]


I have experienced plenty in the 27 years of my life (I'll be 28 in a few weeks). Anyway, I've experienced enough of life and dated enough women to know that I have more in common with someone of the same culture, faith, customs, traditions, and even mindset. I find that my personality and way of thinking even better matches than a Polish girl than a Mexican girl for example. Furthermore, I wish to raise my children as Polish Catholics and teach them the language, culture, history, etc. - that is much easier to do when your partner is also Polish.

Like Crow said, I'm fine with dating someone outside of my culture and religion too. However, I want to have children someday and want those children to be brought up a certain way and learn about their homeland, their ancestry, etc. That is a consideration I have to make when chosing a wife, as I'm sure the wife too would want her children brought up a certain way, taught certain customs, perhaps learn a 2nd language, etc. There's going to be less disagree on what language to teach the kid, what customs and traditions to celebrate and when, what religion to raise the child if two people are of the same nationality and faith than two totally different nationalities and faiths. It'd even be easier for a Pole and a Serbian to get married since they have similar traditions, similar customs, and a similar faith than say a Pole and a Japanese or Malaysian.

That is why I said: number 1 - Polska dla Polakow... I also stated I don't mind having foreigners come to the country and cited the Vietnamese in Wroclaw as an example. They contribute to the society (many own restaurants), pay taxes, and most of the ones I met even speak Polish. However, even this group married their own kind - the husband and wife would run the restaurant together.

However, having 'refugees' come in, march down the street with Sharia 4 Poland signs, torching tents and shelters provided for them by the government, tax payers, and charities, throwing out clothes and food like the ungrateful refugees in Calais because the thought the charity worker was trying to give them expired food and proceeded to break into their truck and start stealing stuff, vandalizing sings and pushing dumpsters into traffic disrupting people's daily lives, shouting that their God is the greatest, and groping and assaulting our Polish women is something that I will never support and is my number 1 concern for Poland right now since Germany is right next door and all these issues are happening there. Eventually, Germany and Sweden are going to be too full and these 'refugees' may start looking elsewhere. Germany is their first choice because the welfare system is so great that they can live off the government and not work but still have food, housing, and money and spend their days complaining about the German locals - kind of like the welfare, section 8'ers in Chicago complain about how the white man is holding them down even though it's the white man supporting their lazy non-working lifestyle. Eventually, they're going to look at 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. choices and I'm willing to bet that life in Poland is a lot better than Afghanistan or Iraq for the average person.

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Crow,

Many of the people that were fighting against the Serbs on the side of the Bosnians were hardcore jihadists and mujahideen/mujahireen.

Many of the leaders in the KLA are now running Kosovo - like the PM for example. There's been some investigation into the 'yellow house,' organ trafficking, and revenge killings but Europe and NATO were more concerned with Bosnia and propping up Kosovo at the time. Russia was rather weak at the time so it couldn't really help the Serbs out a whole lot. I bet if a similar situation occurred now you can bet that the US would be scared to intervene.

I've read many statistics that actually as many as 40% of the 'refugees' trying to escape to Germany, Sweden, etc. are actually from Kosovo, Albania, and other poor Balkan countries. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these individuals were jihadis in the 90's. Many of them have popped up in Syria and Iraq and were highly prized fighters, as well as the Chechnya's because of their combat experience.

Like Donald Trump said - Mexico isn't sending their finest people to the US. Well, neither are the 'refugees' the cream of the crop from their countries. Furthermore, whenever I see pictures or videos of these boat people - the majority is military aged males.

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Unfortunately, thanks to Merkel not only does it endanger the EU and the Schengen Zone but also she's irreparably damaged Germany's culture and demographics.

In 30 years, there's going to be millions more Muslims in Germany just from the ones that arrived in the past 5 years since they have way more kids than the local Germans. 3 kids for a Muslim family is considered a small family - many of them have 2-4 wives and like 6-10 kids.

In Holland already 50% of the school children are Muslim. Imagine what's going to happen when those kids grow up and then have their own children who they send to school, then that generation will too have it's own children that attend grade school, and before long 40-50 years have passed and now 3/4 kids are Muslim.

These populations are going to continue to grow at an exponential rate and it's only a matter of time before they outnumber Catholic Europeans in certain countries. Then, these Muslims are going to get political ambitions and start to run for public offices. Since the population will be so big, there's going to be tons of Muslim votes who are going to vote for their own kind. Then, you're going to see these politicians enact policies and laws that help their own kind out to the detriment of the white Christian European.

Perhaps one day, my grandchildren or great-grandchildren (if I live that long) will have geography lessons which include Belgistan and the Emirate of Holland.

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Exactly! When the Swedes invaded Poland and intermarried there was a lot of tension - but at least these cultures were fairly similar. You can't expect hundreds of thousands of individuals from other continents with totally different lifestyles, religions, and customs to suddenly enter Europe and everyone sings kumbaya together. It's not going to happen.

What upsets me the most is that these parasites come to Europe from Morocco, Syria, etc. because they're escaping war or poverty, the host country provides them with shelter and food while the liberals in the society welcome them and try to integrate them, yet they commit horrible crimes on the same people that accepted them and are trying to the help them. It's not even biting the hand that feeds you - it's chopping it off.

Love / Turkish girl is going to meet her Polish boyfriend's family - needs tips. [47]


Yeah she definitely didn't pick the best time of the year to come by lol. Even Christmas would've been better than this week.

Yes, I am explaining that if she does encounter the conservative, hard-core Catholic Polish type of older generation, what she should be prepared for and what my recommendations are. I think we both know that as a Turkish Muslim there is going to be suspicion but I explained how she should divert the focus from that and show her best side by offering small gifts and showing that there's more to her than just being a Turkish Muslim. The fact that she said the parents wanted to meet her is already a good sign - if they were the ultra-conservative type and would never accept a foreign girl for their son, they would've already said so and not sent an invitation to meet her.

I'm just explaining a worst case scenario IF the parents are hardcore Polish Catholics like many are. My parents are the urban sophisticated type and deal with all different races and nationalities so if I brought a Turkish girl home, they'd most likely welcome her as normal. However, if we spoke of marriage, they'd be accepting and all but of course they'd prefer that I marry a Polish girl. Nonetheless, if she is a good woman, educated, smart, well mannered, and has all the attributes of a good wife then they'd be totally supportive of the marriage.

However, to my grandparents, who are much more conservative and not as open-minded, the girl's race and religion would be as important as her personality. Since it's a first impression, it may not go that well because they'd see right away that she is not Polish and most likely not even European for that matter. When you first meet a person, you make physical observations so they'd notice right away she's not Polish. Later on, they'd get a better idea of who she is. In due time if they see that she will become a great wife they will most likely come to accept her and race will matter less - but again, with time. The race concern may be brought up once again later in the future though if the couple wishes to have children. The more conservative Poles will be concerned the baby is of a mixed race. However, in time, just like with the wife would most likely come to love the child since it is family after all.

The very very closed-minded nationalistic type may never accept the girl, the marriage, or the children. These people are far and few in Poland though. More than likely either one of two things will happen - either it won't be a big deal at all and it won't even cross the parents' mind if they are the liberal, open minded type OR they will be concerned with the girl being from a different race and religion although that concern will pass with time as they get to know her and see that she will make a good wife and mother. Eventually, they will accept her as family.

Just don't show up wearing a burqa or niqab, kissing the elders' hand, and leave your prayer rug at home if you want to make a good first impression. Offer a handshake or hug, bring flowers/chocolate for the lady of the house, alcohol for the man, and Turkish coffee or halva as a general gift for everyone and that will make a wonderful first impression regardless whether they are the liberal type or conservative type.

Don't be surprised too if after a few drinks they start asking more personal questions. If they really like you they may even start hinting at marriage - that's a good sign!

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That is EXACTLY why I am against intermarriage. Thanks for pointing that out. My loyalties and my family's loyalties lie to Poland and Catholicism - NOT the EU and they never will. I am totally against a Europe that is 1 country comprised of the EU nations run by one government that totally dissolves individual European country's sovereignty. Nationalism and patriotism are two different things by the way. There are many patriots who stand up for their country without undermining other groups. Not everyone who loves their country is a racist. I don't have an issue with immigrants coming to Poland as long as they contribute to the society, don't mock or try to change the existing customs and traditions, and arrive legally. I am happy that there are many Vietnamese in Wroclaw as they contribute to the society by providing employment (many own restaurants), pay taxes, and most of them even speak Polish as they've been here for generations. However, nearly every single Vietnamese I've met is married to someone of their own race - not a Polish person. I am against Poland accepting the 'refugees' we're seeing in Europe now because we have seen from Poland's neighbors that they are not integrating or contributing to the society - they are disrespecting existing religious institutions and customs of the host nation, stating that the local women deserve 'real' men, living off of the generous welfare benefits, and committing crimes such as sexual assault, rape, vandalism, and arson.


Date, yes. Marry, no since like the above example I do not want my children to be Polish Roman Catholics and not Polish-Indian, Catholic-Hindu, White-kind of Caramel colored.. I want my children to understand that they are Polish, born in Poland, raised on Polish traditions, and pray to God as Catholics. I will show them the family tree and family records in Krakow so they can understand their genealogy and hopefully carry it on. They can make their own decisions when they're older and hopefully they'll continue the same beautiful traditions that have been in my family since as far as we have been able to trace which is actually to around the 1200's from my father's side (granted there were a bit of gaps from 1300-1600) and 1700's from my mothers. We have had Hungarian, Ukrainian, Russian, Lithuanian, and German influence throughout our family tree but it has always been concentrated in Eastern European lands and Catholicism. It's a bit difficult too to determine if certain family members were actually German, Russian, etc. because of the Partitions - whether they were actually Polish or took a more 'local native' name.

Many Poles feel this way too - I don't know if I can say for certainty that the majority do but I feel that would be true for older generations. My generation, not so much. Poles don't have as much issue marrying someone from one of the neighboring countries like Germany, Czech Republic, Lithuania or even in some cases Ukraine and Russia. However, it's because those nations are European and share similar religious beliefs.

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What's wrong with marrying someone of your own nationality and religion? I want to be able to communicate with my wife in Polish, teach it to our kids, show them the country they come from, have them meet their ancestors, etc. It makes it much more difficult to have a child understand his or her heritage and faith if one parent is a Catholic from Poland and the other a Hindu from India or another country that has a way different culture.

I'd like to add:
A recent poll showed that 29% of Germans support an open-fire policy on the border to keep the refugees out.

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Unfortunately yes. However, many Poles including myself will not marry anyone outside their faith and ethnicity. It's not me being racist - I just want my children to grow up in a Polish home, raised on Catholicism, and celebrate things like Wigilia, Wielki Piatek, Trzeciego Maja, etc. in the same way that I have. My family is nearly entirely Polish with the exception of my dad's mother. However, she's lived in Poland all her life, speaks Polish, and raised her children - my father and my aunt - with Polish traditions.

From CIA World Factbook:

Ethnic groups: Polish 96.9%, Silesian 1.1%, German 0.2%, Ukrainian 0.1%, other and unspecified 1.7%
note: represents ethnicity declared first (2011 est.)

I hope that Poland remains at least 90%+ Polish. Thankfully, most Poles see what's happening next door in Germany and they don't want the same to happen to them. They don't want foreigners marching down the street demanding that crosses and other 'offensive' religious articles be removed, they don't want women to be fondled at concerts, they don't want their money going to housing refugees which end up being torched (dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411748/The-Jungle-burns-Migrants-torch-Calais-camp-violent-protests-police-evict-hundreds-slum.html) (pamelageller.com/2015/10/video-muslim-migrants-burn-down-refugee-camp-take-selfies.html/) and they don't want their tax money to help economic migrants. A lot of the 'refugees' that came to Poland ended up going to Germany anyway because they know they'll get more money from the Germany government whereas in Poland they'll actually have to work and integrate into the society.

I believe that every nationality deserve it's own country whether it's the Israelis, the Palestinians, the Kurds, etc. Multiculturalism has not always been a good thing. Look at even the US, arguably the most multicultural country in the world. There's plenty of racial tension. You can't expect people to just live with others that have totally different customs, traditions, and religion and expect there to be no conflict.

Love / Turkish girl is going to meet her Polish boyfriend's family - needs tips. [47]

Yeah I hate to break it to you, but if the boyfriends' parents are the conservative, nationalist type you're not going to have it easy - at least not at first. IF they are the very conservative Catholic type they may even go so far as telling the boyfriend not to marry you and that they don't want to have a mixed baby. Many older Polish generations are very much against marrying into other races or religions - especially against Muslims. I don't mean to offend you I'm just being honest with the thinking behind some of the older generations. I know my grandparents would certainly be concerned if I brought a foreign girl home, but then my parents who are more open-minded, not so much... One of the major sources of pride for Polish people is the Battle of Vienna and ever since then Poland has been very weary of Muslims which is now further exacerbated by the migrant crisis. Fortunately though, most modern Poles look to the Turks more favorably than the other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia for example. Since you are Turkish, and possibly Muslim (don't know if you are or not but I know Turkey is a majority Muslim country), you're may have more difficult time than say if you were German, Swedish, French, Spanish, or Russian.

It depends really on how conservative they are though - they may be the more liberal type and this may not come up at all. However, IF they are the more conservative anti-race mixing type, then just make sure they get to know you for who you are and there's a good chance they will eventually form a more positive outlook.

Again, I could be totally wrong - if the boyfriends' parents are rather open minded this won't be an issue and hopefully they'll just judge you for who you are which is what I hope happens.

Polish people do like Turkish coffee - it's actually all that my parents and my grandma from my mom's side and I drink (Aroma brand). Flowers, chocolate, and alcohol are acceptable gifts. Alcohol is a very very popular gift and highly recommended - especially for the man of the house. Vodka is most popular and enjoyed by nearly all Poles so you'd be safer presenting a bottle of Vodka, or even some wine or brandy, than say Arak from Turkey. Also, much of the older generation would exchange crystals and give them as presents like crystal vases, cups, etc. However, this would be more of a gift idea for a later meeting - not the first time.

As far as kissing the hand, I wouldn't do it - that will set a very bad first impression. Polish people don't really do that - the only time that happens is when a man kisses a lady's hand in a formal setting as an introduction and even that's becoming less common. A handshake or hug would be most appropriate then followed by presenting a small gift like flowers or chocolates for the boyfriend's mother and alcohol for the boyfriend's father.

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1. Polska dla Polakow!

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]

Dougpol you realize that the majority of migrants are NOT refugees fleeing war bur rather economic migrants? The majority of migrants aren't even from Syria or Eritrea.

I don't see you posting any sources to back up your claims...

Israel sticks it's nose in everything it possibly can. The English Defense League is even sponsored by Israel and has its own Jewish division. The reason for the Israeli flag is most like so people remember that Isreal is also facing terrorist attacks from Palestinians in the form of rocket attacks, stabbings, etc. However, aside from perhaps Vice news, there is little to no reporting on IDF crimes against innocent Palestinians. Comparing apartheid in Israel to South Africa is a big no no even thougg the Palestinians have ot just as bad if not worse than the blacks did in South Africa. The amount of Jews killed by Palestinian terrorists and hamas vs the amount of innocent Palestinians killed by IDF doesn't even compare.

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How else would you come up with a reliable rape statistic aside from police reports? Ask every single women? Just like with this report, some will be truthful some will not - in every country not just some. This UN report didn't do a bad job...

Again, we're comparing Poland with Belgium and Sweden - countries that are very similar in the fact that they are developed European countries that share a similar religious background. Even if we're assuming a good portion of the answers are bogus or that not all women reported a rape, the fact is still that according to the UN, more women reported rapes in Belgium and Sweden than Poland....

Crime is lower in Poland than many other European countries - I'm just using rape since we were discussing how German women were raped by migrants in Cologne and the Police in Sweden has been downplaying crimes committed by migrants and media outlets not reporting it.

time.com/4176681/sweden-police-sexual-assault-refugees-migrants-afghans/

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That's why this study is only measuring reported rapes per 100,000 people. Some of them could be legit rapes, some could be trying to get back at a boyfriend, some could be the girl was drunk the night before and regrets what she did, etc. There's no way to tell but this kind of stuff happens all over the world. Again, we're only comparing Poland versus the rest of Europe and the culture and the Human Development Index in Poland is not way different from that in Belgium, Sweden, Germany, etc. They are all classified as EU countries, have a high standard of living compared to the rest of the world, and even share a similar religious background. However, the incidence of rape is much higher in Sweden and Belgium than in Poland despite the fact that they are European countries, with pretty similar cultures, and similar Human Development Index scores.

I love Poland as I was born there, I have a home there, my entire family is there and I plan to go back to live the rest of my life, settle down, get married and have kids, and hopefully retire there. I don't want my Polish women or my Polish lands to get raped, whether it's physically or metaphorically.

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This information was gathered from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. As a business major who has taken many statistics classes I can tell you that many are bogus as it is very easy to manipulate data for the purpose of your bias. Yes there might be some errors but I don't see a whole lot of bias - plus it was made by the UN...

Yes, this list is of is rapes REPORTED to Police - not total rapes and not even rapes that resulted in a court case, prosecution, etc. So yes, there will be countries at the bottom of the list because perhaps there are little to no police stations, illiteracy among women is high, reporting rape is discouraged, it's a hardcore Muslim country, etc.


However, note that the top 4 countries are all sub-Saharan African countries where there is little to no infrastructure (aside from perhaps South Africa). Poor African countries spanned the whole spectrum from having lots of rapes - i.e. the top 4 - to very few rapes like with Kenya which was towards bottom. I'm guessing it's more difficult to report a rape in Lesotho or Botswana where there is hardly any roads let alone a car that the girl can drive to the police station or hospital. Also, Malta is a pretty rich country and the level of Human Development in Sweden, Germany, and France is much closer to Poland, Romania and Malta, than say like Estonia and Poland versus Kenya. Also, there are wealthy countries like Canada and Japan that are way at the bottom with very few rapes despite the citizens having easy access to Police.

The fact of the matter is this - developed rich countries like Belgium, Sweden, etc. have higher level of rapes, according to the UN, reported to the police per 100,000 inhabitants than Poland - that's what we were debating. There are cell phones, cars, lots of police stations in Poland, Belgium, Romania, etc. It's not sub-Saharan Africa where if you have 10 goats and a hut with electricity you're rich and there's only police stations in the major cities and few in the countryside. Wre're not debating whether it's easier to report a rape in Poland and Romania than German or Belgium but since you brought it up I'm sure it's roughly the same as Poland is not a 3rd world country. This list would show that the country's wealth doesn't really matter all that much because there are poor countries at the very top and at the very bottom just as there are rich countries at the top and bottom. Also, even some of the very poor countries seemed to have performed better in this 'rape' statistic than developed ones which seem to have a very high level of rape.

One of the suspects they're looking for is from Morocco but a Belgian citizen and actually studied at a Catholci school. The attackers had really long rap sheets and one was apparently just deported from Turkey and the government alerted Belgium that he's a terrorist - armed robbery, assault weapon possession, car jacking, terrorism, shooting at police... These are not the kind of people that should be allowed to settle into the EU

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/brussels-attackers-what-we-know-so-far.html


Why? Saudi Arabia isn't letting of them in? They have more in common with the refugees than we do. We're not a Muslim country... let the Muslim countries let them in.

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]


If you understood the entire context and not posted just a phrase, you would see that I was stating that Polish women are not getting raped by Muslims like they were in Cologne during New Years. There was even a video released out of Sweden that the women deserve 'real' mean meaning the migrants and not Swedish men - perhaps they're right since it appears the the liberal men have lost their balls.

Polish men stand up to these invaders unlike those in Western Europe who are allowing a foreign group to dictate what the customs should be and trampling all over their beautiful culture.

And yes, violent crime is rather low in Poland...

Crime in Poland is lower than in many countries of Europe.Surveys conducted in 2005 placed Poland below the European average, with crime victimisation rates lower than in Ireland, England and Wales, Iceland, Northern Ireland, Estonia, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden and Norway -

unicri.it/wwd/analysis/icvs/pdf_files/ICVS2004_05report.pdf

nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate
Poland has half of the amount of rapes per 100,000 than Germany and Austria and a fraction of what Norway and Sweden have. Sweden has the 5th most rapes out of all countries measured - it has the same rate of rapes per 100,000 as poor 3rd world countries. Zimbabwe has less rapes than Sweden and Belgium...

Poland crime rates are very low - yeah vandalism might be high because the kids spray paint everything and there is a bit of police corruption but violent and property crimes are low:

numbeo.com/crime/city_result.jsp?country=Poland&city=Warsaw

even a British article on this topic:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043004/Lifestyle-better-Poland-UK-Less-crime-violence--cheaper-too.html

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]

I know they weren't targeting Poles on purpose. The terrorists simply seek to kill as many innocent 'infidels' as possible and don't care if Muslims get killed in the process. That's what I thought you meant that 'Islamists' are fundamentalists. You are correct though - even Al Qaeda and Al Nusra labels IS as infidels and non-Islamic and vice versa.


Exactly! This is why either refugees need to be stopped since not all Muslims are 'Islamists' but all 'Islamists' are fundamentalist Muslims. A border guard doesn't ask are you a Salafist or hold fundamentalist beliefs? Until these 'refugees' are vetted properly, Europe ought to put the brakes on this although it's already too late. These people, Muslim, Islamic, fundamentalist, whatever breed like rabbits and are simply going to overtake the native population. I've travelled all over Europe and I don't want Beglium to turn into Belgistan in a couple decades although I feel it's too late. The problem too is that many of the young refugees come to Europe and don't have a sense of belonging so they go to the radical mosques where they are indoctrinated. That is how your average atheist or non-practice 'Muslim' becomes an 'Islamist.' If there weren't fundamentalist violent preachers in the first place this wouldn't be an issue.

I don't know why Europeans get their panties in a bunch when they hear some idiots went to Syria or Iraq to join ISIS. I'd say good - leave the country and don't come back. The government needs to track them and make sure they don't come back or even better send some drones to take them out. Quite frankly, I'd think that makes it easier to identify who they are once they leave and kill them. Unfortunately, the government is inept and can't catch them when they return like happened with the Paris attack. Then again, I don't know - sounds easy in theory but I'm not in the CIA or Interpol so I don't know how this works in practice.

Poland is protecting itself so that it doesn't have to deal with an incident like France, Belgium, England, Spain, etc. dealt with in the past. It's just a precautionary measure. Most likely, there won't be an ISIS attack but I'd imagine the chance of a lone wolf attack by someone who is unhappy with the way Polish society treats him and other Muslim refugees is likely.

Personally, if I were head of the EU, I'd round up all the Syrians and give them military training and give them a 1 way ticket to Syria so they can liberate their country. Then I'd build a great big beautiful wall around the EU borders so we can have a Schengen zone and not have to worry.

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]

Poland is MUCH safer than Germany, Belgium, Sweden, etc. Our women are not being raped, refugee centers are being torched, and police aren't being shot at when they enter a Muslim neighborhood.

However, the more Muslims you allow in, you're also letting in more of that 1% of Muslims that are violent extremists.

Poland most likely won't have any attacks in the near future - however that doesn't mean that the government and citizens won't take necessary steps to protect themselves.

Planes weren't grounded and travel restricted due to the attacks, but the government DID ramp up security AND refused to accept the 7,000 refugees they originally promised to let in as a result of the Brussels attack.

The fact is, the Muslim community is very small in Poland - by some estimates around 30,000. Most of these individuals are Tatars and are rather integrated into the society and even look like your everyday Polish citizen. However, there are small numbers of refugees that are from the Middle East and are facing discrimination in Poland, because well in general Polish people are rather xenophobic and are very concerned that their country will become like Germany. It only takes a few guys, or even just one, that feel Polish society hates them and they want to get revenge. I think that an attack in Poland would more than likely be a 'lone wolf' attack committed by a refugee who is dissatisfied with life in Poland and seeks vengeance rather than like a direct ISIS operative. However, ISIS did say that they will infiltrate the refugee population and attack Europe - which they did. Poland is on their list, granted probably at the very bottom, since they promised to attack countries allied with the US.

After seeing what happened in France and Belgium, the government is naturally going to step up security at the border. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't. However, for the average citizen, yes you are right, life will continue as normal.


Yes - they were refusing to accept refugees but then renegotiated and said that they'd accept 5,000 or 7,000 or whatever the number was. Now they said because of the attacks they will not accept any.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506450/Poland-abandons-agreement-EU-7-000-migrants-Brussels-suicide-bombings.html

breitbart.com/london/2016/03/24/poland-reneges-on-pledge-to-take-7000-migrants-following-brussels-attack/

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]


Can you explain the difference? Last time I checked, Islam is the religion and Muslims are the followers. Muslims read the Koran, which is an Islamic text. Yes, like with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. there's different branches and levels - some more religious and orthodox, some less. However, all Muslims pray to Allah and believe Mohammed was the prophet which is what Islam is about. Yes, some will pray more, some less, some will kill you if you draw Mohammed, some may even laugh and understand it's satire. Is 'Muslim' to you just a general follower of Islam and an 'Islamist' someone who is rather extreme - perhaps like a Salafist? We usually call those individuals fundamentalists.


You realize two Poles were hospitalized due to the Brussels bombing? Yes, the markets are open, trains are coming and leaving, the airports are bustling, etc. however there has been already some change. For one, the Polish government has already refused to accept refugees as a DIRECT RESULT of the bombing in Belgium. So yes, perhaps for the average citizen you are right - most likely it's business as usual. However, the government has already made some changes because of this attack.

lodzpost.com/polishnews/poland-steps-up-security-at-airports-and-railway-stations-following-brussels-attacks/

News / Poland directly threatened by ISIS. Do Islamists planning terrorist attacks in Poland? [390]


Yes they do - what are you talking about? Poland has the 21st largest economy - over $1 tril GDP... Poland is in a very important geopolitical place because it is on the border of NATO allied countries and Russian allied countries.

Yes, ISIS did threaten Poland in one of their videos stating that any country allied with the US against them is a target. I'm not an ISIS commander but I think it's safe to say that Poland is low on the list of targets. It's one of the more recent videos they released - it'd post a link but I'm at work and don't want the IT guys to see me watching ISIS videos. Now, if we allow a bunch of 'refugees' to come into Poland it's only a matter of time before there is an incident.

The multi-kulti crowd loves to say - 'Oh well, the terrorists and extremist are only 1% of the Muslim population at most' ISIS said flat out that they're going to send operatives mixed in with refugees. I think people should listen to that considering the huge amount of Muslims that have entered Europe and the fact that there's already been too many innocent citizens killed by ISIS affiliated individuals in just the past 1-2 years. Almost 200 in just the 2 most recent large attacks! Yes, maybe there 5,000 operates or whatever number ISIS said that infiltrate Europe is too high but it doesn't really matter. Let's use the Polish figure of how many refugees they told the UN they'd let in - 2,000. If as the liberals say, only 1% of the Muslims are terrorists and extremists, that leaves you with 20 terrorists/extremists by that calculation. It only took 3 guys to murder 35 in Belgium just a few days ago and I believe 6 or so to murder over 100 in Paris. So yes, Poland is in trouble and is in danger and the more Muslim refugees that are let in the larger that 1% number becomes. They aren't in as grave danger as perhaps Germany, France, Belgium, etc. because the Muslim refugee population is much higher, but that doesn't mean there's no risk at all of a terrorist attack committed by Muslim extremists posing as refugees. Furthermore, the refugees in Poland are in a society where they are not accepted and their communities are very small. There's no areas like Molenbeek in Poland, yet, thank goodness, where they are the majority in an area. However, the individuals that aren't liked by Polish society may all the more be inclined to commit some act since they are not liked by the society and want revenge.

Poland isn't in as much danger as perhaps Belgium, France, England, etc. because thank goodness the people half some common sense and didn't allow their country to get invaded by a group with opposing religious views and customs. I'll take my Polish soccer hooligans over Salafists with Sharia 4 Poland banners anyday.

Polska dla Polakow


There is a video online of Russian soldiers shooting survivors of the Smolensk crash. I don't know what exactly happened and whether the Russians were involved or not. I can't say for certain but I do know that the Russians have repeatedly blocked investigation efforts by the Poles. Why would they do that if they had nothing to hide? Also, this video and the media reporting on it raises some further questions. I'm not saying for 100% the Russians shot it down and I'm not saying for 100% that it was pilot error. I am saying though there is a lot of things though that are being hidden from a proper investigation.

liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1271277684
same video but enhanced and a bit longer: British article about this video:

witness who shot this video apparently committed suicide:
rt.com/news/polish-president-crash-suicide-483/

You need to stop taking everything at face value and believe everything that the media tells you. I'm not saying to walk around in tin foil hat - as there are some very ridiculous conspiracy theories. However, the point is they ask questions they don't just blindly believe.

Quite frankly, citizens were told that we were safe from ISIS. I believe the shootings in the US and Europe prove otherwise. Poland ought to protect itself considering they let in some refugees. They may not be in as much danger as other invaded Western countries. That's something for the government, military, and intelligence agencies and citizens as well to determine how to react appropriately. Let's put it this way - Poland is at a much higher risk of an Islamist terrorist attack then they were 5, 10, 20 years ago because of the refugees they let in. It only takes a few individuals, even just one, to kill a bunch of innocent people. Granted yes, most of them were Catholic but there were a bit of Muslims as well. A lot of the refugees that Poland actually let in would get some money, get set up for a while, and then go to Germany anyways.

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It depends on the individual... yes there are priests who change into an Armani t shirt and jeans and hit the clubs on the weekends and there are those who instead hear confessions and read the bible. There are rabbis that denounce genocide and there are those who extort funds for 'kosher' blessings. There are imams who support ISIS and others who are against it. Like with any race, faith, nationality, political view, job type, sexual orientation, etc. there are good and bad apples.

Poland in general suddenly began to experience a free market as communism fell and so consumerism and materialism became much more prevalent in society. Some priests stuck to their values and morals, some did not.

News / Amber Gold and other Poland's suspicious institutions [139]

hmm suspicious institutions... well I could write quite a bit on the Polish Police hahaha... loosing evidence? claiming they never interviewed someone? very $u$piciou$...

News / What kind of Poland do most Poles want? [101]

Yeah Delph I do find that unfortunate. There's a lot of infighting among Poles - we aren't a very united people and aren't the 'help your neighbor out' types. I do hope that changes and I think the church could play a leading role.

There was a lot of political activism during the communist times and with the solidarity movement but that kind of fissiled out in the 90's and 2000's although it's resurging a bit as many in Poland, especially the left, are trying to make the country more 'Western.' There is some limited LGBT activism but hardly any for like the environment, homeless people, drug users, abused women, etc. Overall Poland is very conservative and most activism/volunteering is and will be tied to the Catholic Church and perhaps some foreign NGO's with offices in Poland.

fpif.org/meet-polish-activists-cutting-edge-possible-left-resurgence-eastern-europe/