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Polson   
28 Jun 2013
Life / Masculinist movement needed in Poland? [26]

common sense and good taste

Being?

Animals do not know the difference between right or wiorng. Some PF-ers are trying to imitate them.

Do you really have to say this? That's almost ad hominem.
Polson   
28 Jun 2013
Life / Masculinist movement needed in Poland? [26]

If women have to be taught, then maybe this is not what women were intended to do.

Well, you probably know this is not true.

but often they also try to emualte men in areas for which they are not naturally predisposed.

I hear you, but if they try and succeed, there's nothing wrong, is there?
I'm not for quotas either, in most cases. Cuz that's discrimination. For the rest, we can discuss.
Polson   
28 Jun 2013
Life / Masculinist movement needed in Poland? [26]

Men have better things to do than go to meetings and rallies and think up anti-woman slogans and buzzwords.

Many women too ;)

How about a university-level male masturbation class?

I think male masturbation is innate... :P
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Maybe you should define what do you mean by modern and poverty?I answered your qestion.

Well, since civic rights seem to not be taken very seriously in Qatar, it's hard to describe it as a modern country.
A modern country, the way I see it, is a country where its people have an easy access to food, schools, culture, transports, doctors, social services, where they can practice any religion and activity, as long as they respect others. In short.

Wasn't you who said that Robespierre joined Revolution because he was afraid of it.

Nope, never said that ;) Maybe I misunderstood your question. Sorry if I did. He was an important 'character', but also took position against some of the actions led by the Revolutionaries.
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Qatar ?

You don't want to talk about Qatar ^^
Rich doesn't mean modern.

So his reign of terror was caused by his fear of the Revolution.Interesting theory.

We don't know much about his implication in the Terror period. But you, Iron, probably know much better than 'us' ;)
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Sure they do, but still 'good atheist family' and the others are rarely if ever seen or heard. Ever wodner why?

Your opinion is that it's just not possible, or...?
There are plenty of atheist/agnostic families, and kids are not less happy/healthy than those coming from 'good Catholic families'.

Like Robespierre ?

In a way, yes.

That is presumption without merit. I call-it an ideological bias.

Then find me a very modern and very religious state.
Most religious states (Catholic or any other religion) have a vast part of their population living in poverty.
Again, I'm not saying that modern countries are dreamlands, and religious ones are holes. Things are more complex than that. It's just a general observation.

Revolution wasn't the only path for improvement, in my opinion it was the worse one from few possible.

Maybe you're right. Well, that's if Revolution = Terror, which is not the case. The Terror was a period of the Revolution.
Anyway, some would say that 'terrorism' is sometimes necessary for such drastic changes. Others would say it serves their political aspirations.
Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between. But I never said I agreed with the Terror period.
Anyway, history is history.
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

yet Poland didn't turned ugly with terror.

So? Poland is better? The Terror period was probably not necessary, but it happened. I'd say it was a nasty side effect of all the things that were happening.

what makes you think that without Revolution things would be worse, could be even better.

Weren't you the one saying that what ifs were useless?
I enjoy using my comp, talking to people about anything at the other end of the world, travelling. Without the Revolution (and some other events), the farthest I could have 'travelled', as a peasant, would be to the next village. Not very exotic. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, who knows anyway? What ifs.

you implied that because of the Church there were misery. As if without the church misery wouldn't be widespread. Maybe you don't know what you are saying?

Only saying that where there's strong religious beliefs, traditions take a lot of place, at the expense of modernism (->improvement of people's life, in general). I know what you'll say, modernism is evil, only through traditions can a civilisation survive. Anyway.

Some did, plenty of them sided with Revolution.

True, indeed. Also because many felt that if they didn't, they'd be the enemies of the Revolution, and they knew what could happen.

My point is that the Church wasn't responsible for certain illnesses and inadequacies in France before Revolution.
That picking on religion as a culprit of all wrongs is just plainly derailed thinking.

Agreed. Everything is not the Church's fault.
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Poland didn't.

I meant it showed the way. Poland's Constitution was the first in Europe.

What the diffe3nce does in make? If you are peasant with some rights or full rights ?

The difference is that today, you can be born peasant, and end up a successful lawyer, or even president. Equal chances. You may not like the idea, but that's what it is about.

There are still inequalities, loads of them, there's no perfect world, but you can't compare today's society with the one centuries ago.

and 1830?

How about we stick to 2013? Changes take time.

Where there anything about people starving as a fault of the Church? Was there explicitly state and let them starve?

I never said that the Church wants to make people live in misery. Maybe you are making up stuff.

Is that your excuse?

Sure, if explaining stuff is excusing, then yes, it is an excuse.
If you really think that royal families and nobles (and clergy) wanted to change anything, you're wrong.
Polson   
20 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Now more approrptiate would be 'najstarsza córa Koryntu!

Because?

people were and are unequal in life and no declaration changed that.

By nature, yes, in terms of rights, not really. I'm talking about rights.

Or if you are a great thinker you destroy all order to create reality that suits YOUR needs and YOUR vision above everybody else.

It's funny that almost all modern states today followed the example of France (and the US, and even Poland and its early Constitution). People are so evil to want freedom. Fools they are.

Who told you that? Was it the same teacher who though you about glorious Revolution?

When you were born in a small village, far from any big city, you were illiterate, barely spoke a proper language, so yes, you were doomed to a life in your small village, with an arranged marriage with your neighbours.

It would even been funny if not for the fact that you have no clue.

Well, you may not believe me, but I've been to the church a few times. I even had catechism classes as a kid.

You should work with the King making evolutionary changes.

In France, the king was believed to be chosen by God. Evolutionary ideas were not the priority.

What would happened if some French dude or few would say that the President is a son of devil and should be removed and France should be returned to religious origins?

They would very certainly get laughed at.
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / The sack for 7,000 teachers in Poland? [8]

Yet another argument for traditional marriages

You can't force people to copulate. But go first, I insist, go make kids, Polo ;)

let along sterile same-gender liaisons.

Not if they adopt, that's what sterile couples sometimes do, but you won't agree, now who's to blame? ;)
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

U r hypocritical.

Who is? Catholics who hide behind God and their religion/faith because they're too scared of life (and afterlife)? ;)

People are meant to fear god's punishment polson

Well, people do what they want I guess. I can just talk for myself of course. I'd rather really believe in something, cuz it makes sense to me, than just mostly be scared of...Ragnarök. Oops, not the same religion, sorry ;P
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Catholicism is against unjustifiable slaughter

In its history, Catholics often found 'justified' to punish the heretics, any possible way, not just excommunion.
Of course, we have to take the time, era into account. But saying that Catholicism is all pure and innocent is not true. It has bloods in its hands too.

lol polson, there is no denocracy with God ;-)

What do you mean?
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

it was the kings that killed.

The kings that obeyed religious laws. Anyway, if the kings were that bad, then we were right to get rid of them ;)

Catholics are God-fearing, know that phrase?

Yes, and that explains a lot. People also fear dictators. It doesn't mean they respect and believe in them. Fear and respect/faith are two different things.

I still don't think I need to follow religious laws to be a good, righteous man. I don't need to fear God's wrath.
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

no bishops had privileges because they were aristocrats.

Nobility or clergy, whatever the 'family'. As you said earlier (?), clergymen often came from nobility. Not all of course.

What he accomplished? became famous story teller?

If that's only what you know about him, I suggest you read his biography. He did a little more than just 'story telling'.

I'm not.

I never said you were a great thinker ;)

equal do not mean the same and doesn't mean communism.

Why communism? All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights, maybe that makes sense tho.

Exactly - destruction. secularist are good at destroying things.

So when you're unhappy, you just shup up and suffer in silence? Tell that to Polish people. Well, I guess if they are Catholic, it's not the same story.

when unfair privileges ended and who says what fair or not?

Back then, when you were born peasant, you would die peasant. There was no other possibility.

Democracy? Really? When you have seen rule of majority in action? Long time ago.

I'll just quote Churchill: democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.

Meaning women to work, more cheap labor on the market, meaning the rich are getting richer exploiting women as well - new slaves.

Working women is not good to you?
And you are free to settle in the wood and not get exploited.
And yes, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. But in between, we can find a comfy middle class. Growing.

The church had schools for free for those willing and with promise for ages. Mandatory is modern invention to educate/brainwash plebs into being a good soldier for a government in a new total war i- conscripts.

Teaching kids that they are sinners, poor little guilty creatures who have to suffer as Jesus suffered for them, is not another kind of brainwashing? You can call anything brainwashing. Teaching is rarely objective.

An educated population is necessary for a country to develop.

Where is your control?

Well, the Church lives on people who believe. If believers go away, what would happen to the Church?

Yeah like Holocaust or WWI.

No comment.

I'm sorry but the FR build the state, one unstable and bloody whose different stages have been convulsing for two decades.

Easy to judge now. The Terror should have never happened, of course. But then what should have happened? Nothing, at all? We should have kept the ancient system, that was fine to you?

Really? In Christan countries? where?
How disagree? the are acting against the law?

Before the French Revolution for instance. Death penalty for the heretics, the infidels, or misbelievers. When the law is based upon a religion, you have to follow it, no matter what you believe in.

Are you telling me that if some people would act against the law today in France they wouldn't be prosecuted?

You know what I meant.

How generous of them.

Glad you recognise it.
Polson   
19 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

With laughable ideas of Voltaire. What a dick he was.

Yeah, when you accomplish what he did back then, we'll talk again. Same with Rousseau. They were enemies, but both counted, and many great thinkers admire them.

When Voltaire was on his death bed he asked for a priest. His folowers were shocked, but he confessed and received the Eucharist. Somehow he pulled through and reverted to his blasphemous, iconoclastic and anticlerical ways. The next time he fell mortally ill, again he called for a priest, But this time his followers said 'No way, José' and he died in sin and is presumably burning in hell.

Fascinating. Voltaire was a deist anyway. And how many people turn to God when they're about to die? Many. But that has little to do with faith. It's fear. Fear of death. And actually many people are religious because they are scared. Of many things.

That is a Christan/Catholic idea that all people have been created equal by the God.

And that's why the aristocratic Church had so many privileges. Probably the Church was more equal than peasants ;)

Actually people were doing quite well

No, they were not. The country was almost bankrupt after spending a lot of money on the American War of Independence. Inequalities among the population were getting unbearable. And probably also poor government policies. There were a lot of tensions in the country.

Wheres secularist and so called enlighten were willing to kill million to bring about they fantasy or whim thinking themselves so great. Yes they were great scumbags.

It's a revolution, dude. Unfortunately, that's how it goes when elites (nobles, clergy) get everything and leave nothing to the population. At some point, you have to face the consequences.

The 'fantasy' has its charms tho: equality for EVERYONE, end of unfair privilegies, democracy, and later universal suffrage, free and mandatory school, etc.
But I understand your point. It's much easier for the Church to keep 'control' of people when they live in misery, sickness, and only have religion. Just have a look at the world, which are the most religious countries.

wasn't that much different than French Revolution - few ruled and the rest were just puppets or else.

French Revolution was not a state, it was a major historical event. And if you live the life you live today, it's probably partly thanks to that event. If it wasn't for that (partly as I said at least), you'd probably be dead of dysentery already, and your 12 illiterate kids would be starving.

more secular state less freedom - people are being murdered if they resist.

Less freedom? What the hell are you talking about? In religious states, people are often persecuted if they don't agree with the governing bodies.

In case you didn't know, you can practice any religion you wish in most 'secular states'. Yes, there are still churches in France. And I'm pretty sure our secular state still gives funds to the Church, and other religious organisations.
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

It was murderous bloody regime all in the name of reason,
Murdering people and wiping out population wasn't necessary. It is called genocide.

No, no, and no again. It's not because of 'reason' that the Revolution happened. It's the consequence of a bunch of things. Once again, you want to make your point by trying to make simple things of complex ones.

And once again, the Terror -I think the name says it all- was an awful time, indeed, and not necessary, I agree.
Beside that, the French Revolution gave birth to something you can't disagree with (I dare hope): the Declaration of Human and Civic Rights.
It was also the end of the great privilegies that the Church and the Nobility used to have. While the country was living in misery. Yes, there was an economic crisis back then too.

Name one which was worse than any of events due to direct action of secularist and anti-religious types?

Not sure I'm here to tell which crimes were worse. Crimes are crimes. No-one is innocent.

It is a perfect example of a secular state.

No, it was a totalitatian state with no freedom. People were puppets.
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

The French Revolution

The French Revolution was necessary. Unless you prefer an oppressed, ignorant, starving population.
The Terror period is an awful side effect of it. Don't mix up everything.

The Church in 2000 years of its history cannot be blamed even for a fraction of those murdered in the name of secularism

I agree on that, the Church can't be blamed for secularism... Or maybe it does. If people turned their back to the Church, there must be reasons.

Apart from that, the Church can be blamed for many other things in its 2000 years of history.

Specially on Soviet morality.

The USSR was proved not viable and rapidly disappeared. So, yes, I agree, it's not a good example of 'secular' state.
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Seems to me that you don't know much about you are criticizing.

Then please enlighten me, that's all I'm asking for. Show me the light.

It is simple enough.

Again, 'show' me.

Well secularist and atheist surpassed all dark shadows in the Church history in 20 years and then repeated that trick few times since. So who is talking?

Could you stop throwing stuff without explaining? It's just pointless. And would you like to discuss about the 'christianisation' (a synonym for murder and slavery maybe) in South America and Africa for instance? How many crimes in the name of God? We can go for hours.

As I said - deciding what is moral and what is not.

That's a secular dictate? That's not different from your Christian based law. You probably got mistaken somewhere tho...
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

I think when you strep it to basic it is pretty clear.

Then what is basic? Don't steal, don't kill, we don't need any Bible/Torah/Quran to follow these 'principles'. Well, that's my opinion.

simple as that.

The thing is: nothing's really simple. Theories can be simple. Reality is reality, and it's rather complex.

If something is has been good for thousands or years what change it?

Good for who? Christianity history is not all bright, we all know that. And it's not really about 'changing' stuff, but more about 'adapting' to what is today's reality.

Everything evolves. Everything but Christianity, esp. Catholicism. And this actually goes for other religions. Traditions are often considered as unquestionable truth.

to produce secular dictate?

Could you elaborate?
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

Seems to me that some people here while laughing at conspiracy theories hold their own dark suspicions bordering on paranoia.

Am I paranoid? Just wondering about the utility of such an 'organisation', if that's what it's called. Maybe just a strategy for Kaczyński to gain voters. Quite certain actually. Fair I guess.

owever neutral state can be achieved with the laws based on Christan morality.

The problem is 'morality', meaning and/or perception, can vary from one person to another. And you probably won't agree with me, but I find Christianity often 'late' on today's problems.

For instance, how can you sincerely advise people to not use condoms/pills? Maybe it sounds better to stay 'pure' until marriage, because sex is dirty (Christian mentality), but in real life, things are different. People used to marry at 15 or even younger. Today, it's more 30, sometimes later. That's how things are.

I just think that Christianity, especially Catholicism (and its morality), has a hard time adapting to today's world.

No need there to attack base of morality and an attempt to decide what is moral and what is not.

Humans will always question things. It's in our nature. We can't base everything (or almost) on a book and traditions that are thousands of years old.

That has nothing to do with a neutral state but with fighting secularism.

What is wrong to you about secularism?
Polson   
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]

So what the harm in having such organization pro-believing in God

Pro-believing? It's not what it seems. It's anti-atheisation.
And I'm not worrying about pro-believing in God organisations in Poland, there are still many.

If you believe in that...

Yes, I do believe in that. I do believe that religion is a personal matter, and there should not a be an official state religion. I like the idea of people 'governing' us being 'neutral' and able to listen to every kind of problem, with an objective ear, not just through the prism of a holy book. Which doesn't mean that these people (presidents, ministers, deputees) cannot believe in God, of course.
Polson   
16 Jun 2013
Off-Topic / Modern parenting = bad parenting? [20]

Don't tell me. I was on a plane a few days ago, behind me, there were two women with 2 or 3 kids. One of these kids -quite young I must say, but not an infant- kept crying so loud for most of the trip. All the lady said was an occasional 'shhhh'. Luckily, it was a short trip (2 hours). Phew. Later, they let their little girl (I'd say she was about 5-6, maybe 7) run and jump in the aisle, which would bother many people. Once again, of course, the two women said nothing. I even wished for some turbulences, so the kid would be forced to go back to her seat.

Of course, nothing really serious. But I understand the 'problem'. I assume many parents don't know how to react with their kids. They don't want to be too strict, but they sometimes get too passive with them, so the kids feel like kings, they feel they can do just anything. We have a word for this phenomenon in France, l'enfant-roi, child-king.
Polson   
15 Jun 2013
Travel / Driving from London to Poland Poznan [7]

Hi Xin. You can use Eurotunnel, with your car, to France, short trip, then lots of highways through France and Germany to Poznań, Poland. Quite easy I'd say.
Polson   
9 Jun 2013
News / Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland? [197]

why not tell tell us how many times more likely is a homosexual likely to become a paedophile than the avergae person?

That's an interesting info you have, Polo. Anything to back it up? Otherwise it's just useless.
Polson   
9 Jun 2013
History / Poland is a Catholic country [177]

Secularism has proven to be antiCatholic nonsense. In fact it favors a certain tribe too.

What are you talking about?

Normal:
"conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural. "

Cool, you opened a dictionary. That proves nothing btw. What is abnormal? Not natural? That's what I was saying: 'normality' is subjective.

Congratulations lefty you just learned something new!

I don't consider myself a 'lefty', but I'm sure you're happy and proud to call me names, it gives you the feeling to be right somehow. Enjoy.
Polson   
9 Jun 2013
History / Poland is a Catholic country [177]

Poland needs to become even more Catholic.

Are you aware that not ALL people are Catholics, and they have the same rights as you? You can't force people to live the way you want.

Will keep people normal and the queers angry!

Normal in your standards. Normal doesn't -objectivily- mean anything. Maybe you'll understand this one day.