Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]


Well, unfortunately metaphysics cannot be explained using cartoons, so i apologize if my arguments are beyond your comprehension.


No. You don't measure morality. It is typical moral relativism' thinking. The morality in an absolute. It stems directly from God.

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]


And how it contradicts the fact that morality to exist needs a religion?
Any religion.


Be serious.When Dostoevsky coined his dictum "If God is not, everything is permitted.", what do you think he was referring to? Russia is one of the many fulcrums of 'moral relativism' which was a direct result of the abandonment of the fixed moral frame (arbitrary or not) offered by Christianity through the rejection of God.

Indeed, Crime and Punishment was written precisely to condemn some of the abhorrent excesses of his day, particular the more radical 'nihilists' which expressed the ideas (ideas later taken by many a great communist revolutionaries) that human nature lacked a spiritual dimension, and that human behavior was determinate solely by reason and self-interest, and that morality "could be reduced to the utilitarian and scientific principle of the greatest good of the greatest number". Indeed, the novel begins by tackling this issue full front. The main character is given the possibility to resolve his own financial woes (thus paving the way for doing something good with his life, albeit this was just a pretest for something a bit less noble, as evinced later in the novel) by the murdering and robbing the old woman. And why not? The stupid hag is old, full of avarice and is of despicable moral character. She doesn't care about anybody else but herself, and never uses her own wealth for anything useful to anybody, not even to her own. How can murder be wrong in a situation where the death of such a parasitic element of society could help so many people of great will and standing?

This type of thoughts is what lead to each and every of the greatest massacres of the 20th century.

BTW, have we forgotten that one of the greatest object of persecution in most of the communist regimes of Europe was Christianity itself? F*ck, i work with a guy (an Orthodox Albanian) who's family had to practice religion in secret under penal retribution, and this was less then 10 years ago. Rings a bell?

But by all means, let's blame Christianity for everything, in the end, it is religion and not human villainy that is at the root of all evil, right?


I was trying to make it simple for you. When I elaborate you are unable to comprehend it. You said so much yourself.

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

Well, I 'll try to simlplify it for you.
There would be not western civilisation without Christianity, fact.
Morality cannot exist without religion, fact.
Civilization to survive needs faith in invisible things, which, invariably, involves God. Fact.
Simple enough, Barney?

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

This is a clear demonstration liberals cannot into logic. Here we have a very basic problem of how to sustain a given moral system without the belief in a superior dimension which transcends the human point of view, the latter being perforce relative and thus contrary to the notion of an objective morality in principle as it is in fact, and the liberal brain twisting this concept around, reducing it to a cartoonish, black and white caricature, where it is the purveyor of moral objectivism that is made out to be the real relativist, rather then the other way around, as it really is

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

Fear of God is the only legitimate morality. The original *sin* of mankind is to love the world more then God exactly. The point of a religion is to rectify this tendency in the human soul, a tendency caused by the original fall. You cannot be "saved" and be a humanist at the same time.

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

I never said that Christianity was the source of our civilization. Rome is the source of our civilization, Hellas being the source of our culture (there's a difference between the two). Still, it is partially thanks to the Church that we inherited the heritage of the Latin world, particularly the institution of the family, which was the building block of Roman civilization and what made the latter superior to the chaotic structure of Greek civilization, but that's indirectly related to the faith of the Christian religion.

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

I said, western morality.
And there can be no morality, or for that matter, civilisation, without religion.
"Atheists don't cry over anything that is abstract, they do not believe in things likely to make others willing to fight for them and they do not offer anything but the slow entropy that is inherent in mankind's institutions without any professed dogma. It is not so important as to answer whether or not God exists. It is that people who do not care one way or the other are not the stuff of which strong civilizations are constructed. Men without God tend to simply act anarchically on their passing impulses and do not cultivate restraint. Societies are best flavored with a bit of passion that is not always sensible, yet it is stubborn. The beginning of decline in every human civilization starts with men finding they have nothing left to worship or believe in other than themselves and their own civilization. It is a short distance from this last conviction to complete dissolution." - Lewis Mumford

Mumford is mostly forgotten and is ten shades of awesome, by the way.

Life / First communion - it's that time of year again in Poland! [109]

Yet, all western morality comes from Christianity. Europeans weren't exactly a beacon of brotherly love and peace before the Church begun to spread it's influence beyond the alps.

USA, Canada / General differences between Poland and the USA? [184]


In some cases Polish laws are more fair then American ones.
After listening to some whining of one American acquaintance of mine, talking about the aftermath of his divorce, his prenup voided and stuff, one thing occurred to me.

Polish laws aren't really strong as far as enforcing alimony is concerned, also you only pay it per kid. If the ex can't live on his/her own he/she gets to die out of hunger :-) .

Also unlike in USA, Polish laws do protect all the assets you acquired before you got married, and if you can prove in court that the things you bought in theory as a couple were financed by just you yourself you can get them back. You don't need a prenup although it does help as it cuts down on time needed to prove what you own and they're never voided.

The legal system is actually more or less fair and just when it comes to marriage, except maybe for the case of custody over children.

Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

Well, Aryan race is dead for sure. Suicide. But Eastern Europe is full of pure white nations full of pure white racists.

The fact that the Slavs missed the Horowitz show the 60s/70s (because we were frozen in Stalinist ice) makes us very different from Western "white people".

So, don't worry, if you care about "white", the Slavs will carry that torch through the 21st century at least.

Life / Could Poland become an immigrant country? [42]


As if they get to choose where they can immigrate anyway. Anywhere in Europe is better than where they come from, I grant you that. But we will prevail, also thanks the crazy Polish language that dissuades them. And quite conservative values.

And that, dear PF forumers, is how you protect yourself from infiltration by the barbarian hordes; build a barrier, a language barrier. Also don't give benefits to foreigners, so you force them to work instead. Ultimately resulting in them not being able to easily find a job due to language problems, and thus going home/not staying. The simplicity of English was the West's undoing, as well as its nanny state welfare system for those who are still not able to learn basic English, and your liberal overtolerance.

Life / Could Poland become an immigrant country? [42]

We don't have money to give away as welfare but we do have one natural resource that various foreign individuals crave - women.

Nowadays it looks like that: Virtually every girl goes to a university (or rather "university" in most cases), then a huge portion of them takes part in various student exchange programs (they got incredibly fashionable and easy to get during last few years), then, as a part of broadening the cultural perception, she gets spit-roasted by couple of guys, then most of these guys think (*****, I got laid with a good looking gal with zero effort and I'm not even handsome, must be HEAVEN in Poland!").

And so we get lots of blacks, Turks, Italians etc hanging around "studying". There's quite a few of them, even in the Eastern block. Do I need to remind anyone of the Simon Mol case?

But yeah - it's not a real immigration, we're a poor choice for that and the level of hostility towards other nations is relatively high, especially when compared with Western countries.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

Don't worry guys, the looting of Cypriot savers is now a template to be used for the entire Europa very soon!

Klaas Knot the Dutch Central Bank chief tells so:
reuters.com/article/2013/03/29/us-eurozone-cyprus-ecb-knot-idUSBRE92S05P20130329

Gotta love the direct and undiluted Dutch way of telling things how they are.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]


ehow.com/info_7799978_banks-protect-deposits-bankruptcy.html
Educate yourself.


I would rather let the bank collapse and even pay out the savers with their tax money - it's not like it's all their money anyway.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

The banks do not pay out the 100k that is insured. Neither do tax payers. The banks pay into an insurance fund that handles that, since a failing bank can't be trusted to have that money on-hand, etc.

Allowing a bank to totally fail and the people to walk away with their 100k that is insured is a far, far, better solution than stealing money out of private accounts to continue the bank. If banks are not allowed to go under, they will continue to make riskier and riskier moves because there is no consequence for doing so.

As soon as one or two go under, the rest will smarten up and stop asking for free money.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

The French and German banks are exposed to Cyprus and Greece, so these forced bailouts aren't for the benefit of Cyprus and Greece. If it was for their benefit, they would allow them to do a form of default or allow the worst of the Cyprus and Greek banks to declare bankruptcy, while insuring the deposits of citizens up to a limit. This is the same kind of game being played with USA bailouts, where they were forced to bailout irresponsible American banks. Because Western governments use fractional reserve banking, which forces inflation over time, said governments have to invest into the stock market to maintain the values of pension funds, social security, etc. Banks going bust would lead to banks pulling out of the stock market, causing your pension funds, social security funds, etc to drastically depreciate in value. Fractional reserve banking therefore creates a parasitic relationship between banks and government. And when hard choices have to be made, the populace gets screwed for the benefit of the financially well-connected. What we have is a two-tiered system of economics.

Socialism for the banks during hard times, capitalism for everyone else.

News / Poland Unemployment: Nobody protests, because people are leaving [30]


I sincerely cannot wait. Multiculturalism and post modernism have done us an enormous favor in helping to set up the conditions by which we can purge 8/10s of the substandard, treacherous and innately stupid wicked cretins who have made these different forms of political madness possible.

Remember, 2% of the population advocating this gibberish would have no power at all to corrupt our society unless a large portion of it was utterly corrupt to begin with. I see the diversity tapeworms as the plowshare of evil - they are going to assist in turning over our fallow ground. Termites don't eat healthy wood. They digest what was rotten and diseased to begin with. Diversity and multikult are what happens to societies in sharp decline. Some people are good at guessing what kinds of poison are most effective on those who are already sick.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

The ideal course should have been to allow them to fail. It would have bred a stronger economy in the long run.
Check the US mortgage bailout fiasco. The people who lived outside of their means are getting spared the axe of foreclosure, while responsible people are forced to foot the bill. What kind of message does this send? What would a rational person do? Would they keep up the old values and get screwed over for it, or just go along with the crowd down the tubes?

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

They invested in banks, which were based on a faulty business model. The investment was risky. Now they'd have to pay the bill. Too bad.

Instead, socialism goes into the "controlled market economy" or even better "socially responsible market economy" which simply put is etatism and interventionism with socialist goals in mind.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]


In capitalism those banks would go bust, end of story, to hell with them. In socialism the government taxes you to help banks.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]


"Austerity muss sein!"

"Jawohl for ze forth Reich!


Canadian banks are the most stable and financially sound in the world. The National Bank, the Royal Bank of Canada, and the CIBC are in the top 5 in the world.

As far as anonymity and lack of oversight from foreign interest goes, the best country in the world is Singapore. The standards for bank secrecy are higher than the Swiss.

Law / Bank accounts taxed by up to 10%. Can it happen in Poland? [150]

Let me see if I read it right:

EU arrives in countries unprepared for it, throwns lots of FREE MONEIS IF YOU JOIN incentives, nukes the local economy with their retarded single currency, and then they force austerity and even worse fiscal measures to "save the Eurozone"?!

The hell is this, ARE THOSE PEOPLE RETARDED?!!

Money is ALWAYS better kept under your mattress! Don't trust anybody.

Love / Any Polish Muslim girls living in Poland? [103]

Funny thing how that xenophobia, labeled the ultimate evil because of how innate and natural it is, almost seems to act as an enormously powerful force for social organization towards survival when it is needed. It's almost as if there is a reason it has been a deep instinct for millions of years. Funny that. Luckily for me I don't think hard 'bout much of nuttin' because it would cut into the time I have allotted to attend professional wrestling matches.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]


You knew when they changed "Personnel" to "Human Resources" that something really sick and weird was happening to the West.

Employees used to be people who worked with you to get things done. They're now a tool to get something done with until they break. I have predicted this system will equal astonishing fail and the world right now is proving me right on all counts.

This. World. Isn't. Working.

I know my world seems incredibly strange and alien to everything that you think is normal ... and yet my world works/was working/still works for the past 500 years whereas your multicultural postmodernist utopia is listing badly and the deck chairs are sliding towards the bow. Not a good sign.

My last contract guy called me last month and told me, "We are near the end of the lifecycle for the first delivery so I have ended the network guy's contract as of Friday to save some money. My investor is trimming back his initial guarantee by about 80% in finances, he said the market is killing his money to throw around on projects like this. So Kondzior, can you administrate the network setup from now on until we reach our next milestone?"

My eyes began to silently boil in their own fluids behind my eyelids. Steam was wafting slowly from my nostrils. "I'm sorry, I think I just heard you say you fired the network admin to save some money. Can you repeat that again?"

"Yeah, I fired him. I figured you could do his job, you computer guys all know everything about all that stuff, don't you? Besides, I need the money to buy some more hardware for you to deploy."

I began to bite down on my own tongue so hard I drew blood. "Do you see anything on my resume about my expertise with Linux based servers running DSL on remote thin clients?"

There was a brief pause. "But I heard you talking the other day about thin clients. Don't you know about thin clients?"

My teeth began to extrude themselves from their own sockets and fall to the floor. "Guy, I know of them. What I know about Linux thin client management you could write on the back of a postage stamp. Are you insane? Do you have any idea of how knowledgeable that guy was? What made you think having a network admin for that position was optional? I'm programming .NET 2.0 for a Mono deployment. I know nothing at all about Linux beyond basic user file management. It's a huge subject. You could spend ten years studying and not know as much about what you are doing as the guy you just fired. Honest to god, are you really that stupid to have done such a thing without consulting me first?"

"Okay, well, Kondzior, I can see you are being resistant to learning new things, I mean I don't think that's so much to expect you to also administrate Linux servers with thin client proxy systems in addition to coding. You are not being a team player."

"You just fired the team. All you have left is me. There is no longer any team and there never really was a team, just me and the network admin. So now you have tons of Linux server hardware and no humans to put anything on them."

"I think you have to be open to new learning experiences."

"Holy cow, you're incredibly slow. It's like watching those chimps you see at the circus ride little trikes around in a circle smoking a cigar. It's so humanlike it makes you want to cry. Goodbye. Never call this number again for any reason."

So I lost my last contract work. I am already sleeping better hours for my new job.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]

The same thing can be said about Egypt and Argentina. How can they force them to pay? Some sort of international tax police?

But that is beside the point. Their path may be not perfect, in such a problems none is, but it is inmeasurably better then going down Grece's path.

The problem with euro is that the less advanced economies (Spain, Italy, Greece, ect.) cannot complete with the rest of the world. The EU free trade zone hides many of the problems but federalization doesn't work without redistribution of wealth.

Look at this map of America. Look at Minnesota and N.Mexico, most screwed states in the union. But they don't complain about it because they are a nation. Europe cannot say the same.



economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

This is wealth transfer in a nation with more or less equal business, labor and social welfare laws in every state. Europe does not have the same and so wealth transfer is pretty much a dead idea.

Italy and the rest need to reform their markets but that is a bloody endeavor which I doubt will happen. You would have a rich northern Europe and a poor southern Europe (much like the US actually) but without the transfer of wealth in the US. This would lead to massive discontent in the poor countries.

Don't get me wrong - if I was a German I would have no desire to save any of the Cub Med countries. They dug their own graves. But a federalized union will not work unless the Germans are willing to save the Spanish. And the Euro cannot be saved without federalization.

Basically I think the Euros days are numbered. But I could of course be wrong and everything will work out. AS a Pole I have no desire to see Europe fall into recession (or depression) just as our economy is making signs of life but I have little hope.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]

The debts are no longer there. The Iceland refused to tax their people to pay for the banking losses of foreigners. Doing so prevented them from getting IMF loans.


globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32486

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]


Personal attacks are the only thing you are good at? Curious it was the first thing springing into your mind. I do know that st's quite hard on the lower classes and almost all normal people, to be sure. Nothing to scoff at. Bright enough people create jobs by simply standing around until somebody hires them. It happens to me all the time. No matter how screwed up the IT industry gets (and it's pretty bad sometimes) there will still be people so driven to desperation they will still hire people on merit instead of one million other criteria. Fact is, guys like me just seemingly make many problems go away magically. Of course they can always fire us afterwards once they get enough breathing room but when driven to sobriety by necessity, you will always see people like me get hired (as transient contractors).

As Dr. Laurence Peter said (author of the Peter Principle) once a corporation finds itself in desperate straits and on the verge of bankruptcy, they will often resort to radical approaches like hiring smart competent people. They only have to stay on long enough to get the job done and then they can be terminated.

Dr. Peter found that all meaningful and productive work within corporations is achieved entirely by workers he described as "transients." This was confirmed over the next thirty years by dozens of other studies involving thousands of corporations. When Dr. Peter was asked what was achieved by permanent staff, he suggested mainly forming petitions in the office to fire transients. Sorry but that's mankind.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]

Did you actually read the **** I quoted? This broad has the brain capacity of a gnat.

The recession in Iceland is already over and Iceland has recovered significantly before that could happen. ;) The study compares conditions during 2007 - the start of the recession- and 2009 - the deepest point. And by 2012, Iceland is far above the 2009 or 2007 levels.

From what i understand, Iceland is recovering because they had the balls to actually hang the bankers by the neck.
Even if their initial GDPs were halved, they would still be richer than the average European country. Iceland currently have a higher per capita income than Germany or France, for example.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]


Iceland is a happier and healthier place than ever.
One would think that the misery of people who lost their jobs, up to 40% of their incomes, and the ability to pay off their loaded debts would drive them into depression, self-destructive behaviour, and a lot of bad habits.

Except it is not the case: nber.org/papers/w18233

During the deep Icelandic recession, losing their jobs had caused Icelandic people to surge in happiness and self-fulfillment. The salient points:

1. Icelanders stopped eating garbage.
As McDonalds and other fast food joints shut doors and as many unemployed Icelandic people started rationing their money on good food, their physical health and mental alertness improved dramatically. No longer are their minds and bodies poisoned by food that they should not be eating.

2. Icelanders started sleeping longer.
No longer having to worry about getting to work on time or staying up late to finish their pending work, Icelanders could finally give their tired bodies the long relaxation they always needed. The boom days demanded so much work from Icelanders that they could barely keep up a normal sleeping schedule.

3. Icelanders stopped drinking.
Work-related stress was so strong during Iceland's boom days that the only way for them to manage the chaos of their life was a drink in the bar. Not anymore. Alcoholism declined sharply among Icelanders and the sobriety contributed to the fall in their misery. As it is, a low income prevented purchase of alcohol anyway. The same happened with smoking.

4. Icelanders got a lot more time for the opposite sex.
The lady behind this research, Tinna Aggersdottir, herself says that she could finally spend more time with the man with whom she was having an on and off romantic relationship for years now. Romance bloomed in Iceland as people finally had something other than their job to spend all their time and mental effort.

5. Icelanders no longer faced the grueling misery of the workplace.
While losing one's job can be a source of misery, it can also be that the job itself was much of the source of a man's misery in the first place. That was the case with many of the Icelanders surveyed, who answered that on the whole, they felt their life was much better than before, when they were working longer and harder.

Apart from all this, Icelanders got a lot more time to excercise and get back in shape, and in general do a lot more things that a working life prevented them from doing.

Law / The Euro, is it a good idea for Poland? [66]


I do not consider myself "right winger", while I agree with them on many points, I do not take other people's views as packages I need to adopt myself.

The bondholders want to get bailed out, simply because they can and threaten to pull out and not invest anymore. If bailed out at 100%, it represents the worst kind of capitalism today, because it only punishes the borrower, and not the creditor, who made money while things were good. Worse, many Greeks were innocent and did not benefit, and now they have to pay.

That's why Iceland did default. People pulled out and its currency depreciated like crazy, but eventually things stabilized and now the country is ok. The depreciated currency was in effect a loss for the bondholders.

Greece can't default however for two reasons: first it doesn't have a currency to depreciate (therefore all of the adjustements would take place with lower wages and a vicious debt cycle) and second European banks hold the bonds, and they have a lot of power.