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ZIMMY   
5 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

god only knows what the pump room stands for with you.

It's a restaurant/bar and a fine one at that. You should try googling for answers before putting your foot in your mouth.

Oh, if you really believe your dog has free-will then ask your dog "what is the meaning of life?"

Women are underrepresented not only in professionally choice and desirable positions suchb as executive posts but also amongst ditch-diggers, sewer workers and dustmen. Shouldn't they now be called dustpersons? And shouldn't those disparities also be corrected?

Those who strive to impose government mandated quotas for the 'good professions' always ignore your logical point about all professions. Their reasoning skills have been blunted by current forms of "political correctness". and they can't seem to overcome them. The old expression of "thinking out of the box" is sadly lost on them. Remember the feminist shrill cry, "women can do a job as well as men and better"? If true then it's a mystery why so many are absent from the coal mining, oil-rigging and crane operation industries. so 'unequal' eh?

" Male dominated" seat?

Academic institutions have really done a job on you. Once again, nothing prevents women or men from voting for the candidates of their choice. Indeed, in the U.S. women make up the majority of voters.

You've given me an idea to write a skit for "Second City".
The scenario is this; the cavemen are ready to go out to hunt beasties but some women want equal representation so they get half the men to take care of the babies and half the women to go hunt for meat. Chaos insues as the men wait for the women to put on their make-up and............

Now, the above potential skit is politically incorrect because it has a basis of reality which is not popular with current liberal thought. That's the point, reality scares these people.

how come I have to keep fixing who I am quoting, it keeps bringing the wrong persons name
then I have to edit and go back out.

Maybe you can't multi-task? Maybe you would do better as a long-haul trucker? lol

my main point in the debate is - do not replace discrimination with discrimination.

That's too logical. People caught up with current trends cannot grasp something so simple and true. Additionally, why should an innocent person today pay for past discrimination (if any) of people who are no longer with us? For example, why should a Stash Kowalski be denied a job because LeRoy Johnson's great great grandfather was a slave? That scenario has occurred far too often between 1970 and 2000 and to some extent still does. Many other euro-ethnics have been affected in the same way.

When government thru force institutes quotas, it falsely claims to fight discrimination by discriminating. WTF?

Let's take golf, for example. Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden. In my eyes, there is no good reason to debar women from sitting in a clubhouse

Are you aware that in the U.S. there are many women-only organizations while men-only ones are illegal? Currently, there are 74 women-only colleges while men-only ones are prohibited. There are women-only weight loss centers and none for men. There are women-only travel vacations, none for men, etc, etc. These obvious forms of discrimination are overlooked because they are not part of the culturally preferred template.

Many here are still stuck with that template which has become archaic but is unfortunately still used. It's like the one where feminists claim women to be "independent" and "strong". Yet, these same women are still incapable of paying their half for dinner and entertainment. These hypocrisies will become legendary, at least when historians write the history of these 'unequal' times.

Feminist 'political correctness' prefers lies to reality. Our western societies swim in this sort of propaganda which is reminiscent of Sovietism.
the-spearhead.com/2011/12/16/famous-pearl-harbor-female-firefighter-photo-a-fraud

Unfortunately, this sort of phony feminist hype is typical and not the exception. Even MSNBC has shown this made-up photo and newspapers have printed it without challenge. Seems like our cookie-cutter liberal journalists believe everything given them. They only become introspective with libertarians and conservatives.

Well, I suppose it's time to be controversial again. While there is overlapping between men and women in many areas of mutual interest, I will say that in general, men want women, and women need men. That largely explains why men look for beauty (and why women doll-up) and why women seek security (financially stable men).
ZIMMY   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

What would be inherently wrong then with a political system of representation in which there is an accurate ratio of representation based on population?

Nothing!
It is wrong however, to mandate quotas thru (government) force. Let the people decide by voting. Nobody stops women or anyone else, at least in western countries from voting their choices.

limp-wristed liberals like yourself

I'm a libertarian as almost everyone else knows in these forums, except you. Is this your attempt at sarcasm since liberals (not to be confused with European liberals) in the U.S. are the proponents of quotas.

You'd probably hypothesize on the importance of choice if you saw a woman laid out in a burning building-

What makes you come up with such ludicrous ideas? You continually postulate assumptions that have no bearing on the discussion, let alone how I handle things. Try to focus.

ZIMMY the coward and a woman hater to boot.

Again, thank you for such a concise argument on your part. (sarcasm). You've summoned your demons and defaulted to name-calling because you couldn't argue your dubious position. I'm sorry that I did not fall for you question about "choice". That's why I answered it the way I did noting its definition and its positive value(s). I also pointed out that people make bad choices as well as good ones. I check-mated you before you postulated this comment, "people like yourself might think it's a choice to do the right thing but the rest of us, the people who were brought up right, know that's not a choice but a trap" which says it all. I rightfully noted that choices are bad or good and sometimes even neutral.

Hipster douche bags like yourself pretend to be working class

Hmmm, "Hipster douche bags" sounds like a good name for a rock group. Now, I don't pretend to be working class, haven't been for many years. (How do you come up with this stuff and doesn't it embarrass you, not one little bit?).

pretend to be socialites

I don't pretend to be a socialite.

you delusional twat-

Sorry I hurt your feelings. I can read your pain.

you really just hate the idea of confident women so you pain them all with the same brush

I'll tell my female vice-president that but I usually paint her green but I use different brushes.

What's the matter? Mom didn't give you enough muffins last birthday?

You've decided to go the mother route eh? I thought only grammar school kids still did that, hmmmm. Have you reached rock bottom yet?

You make me sick.

Take two cheese pierogies and a bottle of Maalox and call me in the morning. If you don't feel better by then-look in the mirror and yell, "I am somebody" 10 times at the top of your lungs. That should clear your sinuses.

millions of animals make choices as regularly as you do

So it's true, you really don't understand the difference between free-will and instinct? ....and I'm actually conversing with you? Part of that answer lies in how fascinated I was with your inability to understand what is actually stated. You continue to dig a hole deeper instead of digging out of it. Perhaps that explains your inability to be optimistic. I've gone as far as I choose to with you. You might be surprised that I wish you good luck and you're probably not a bad guy, just a bit thick.

how inept you are at processing truths that are obvious to everyone else strutting above your level.

I only see angels dancing on the head of a pin and am still counting them. They aren't "strutting" either.

...take the stairs on your way up cause the lift will only confuse you.

You didn't pay anyone for that attempt at a clever line did you? Once again, good luck and I mean it. The only advice I can give you is to not be so defensive and mean spirited with all that name calling. "That's no way to go through life son".

Zimmy, you been served.. lol

If you call that being "served" then there's nothing I can say about your lack of logic. ... and like Foreigner, do you also compare animals instinctual "choices" to man-kinds free-will? Good luck with that.

edit: Anyone wanting to meet me tonight will find me at the "Pump Room" and later at "Gibson's" in Chicago. Just don't offend the company I'll be with.
ZIMMY   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

nswer the question with a "yes" or a "no"

So you are too stupid to understand this? "So choice is a positive attribute because it separates us from the animal kingdom." Amazing!

Other animals make choices all the time

As I've already stated, they do it by instinct, not free will (sic). I'm afraid I can't pass you on to the fifth grade.

that isn't what separates us from them.

It is one of the principle features that does.
The following sentence applies to you but I doubt if you can comprehend its meaning:
*You seem not to know that you don't know what you don't know.*

As a real man, the only decision to make is the right one.

Preferably we should make the correct decisions but men and women frequently do not. Your comment "as a man" is odd.

Weak-willed and feather footed individuals like yourself...

LMFAO again, I just spilled my coffee but really, thanks for the chuckles.

turn in your man-card

I didn't need one. Did you apply for one? Where did you get yours? Walmart? Is it like a social security card? You are funnier by the second and the hilarious thing is; you don't even know it.

stand in line with the other people looking for hand-outs and excuses in life.

Okay, I've tried to be discrete about the following but other posters here have already picked up on me so here it is. This "weak-willed and feather footed" non "man-card" holding individual lives on the Gold Coast in Chicago (very close to the Polish Consulate). I probably make more money in half-a-year than you make or will make in your entire lifetime or in your case probably several lifetimes. Just to throw this in, my parents came from Poland and were broke.

eople like yourself might think it's a choice to do the right thing but the rest of us, the people who were brought up right, know that's not a choice but a trap.

It figures that you are a pessimist. That explains a lot. That's also why I answered your simplistic question the way I did. I spotted your phoney intent.

You've shown your true colours after all.

They are red on the bottom and white on top, sometimes with an eagle on the top part.

Zimmy- afraid of women having rights

No, I just don't want people, men or women to have 'wrongs' in the form of quotas.

Zimmy- a coward and a liberal.

Such direct name-calling merely shows that you are illiterate when it comes to debating. (calling me a liberal really hurts though, lol) Your comments only define you.
ZIMMY   
3 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

You seem to be stuck in place. I've emphasized individual rights in my previous response because it relates to choice but it seems that you still cannot connect the dots even though a 5 year-old can. I even quoted Ayn Rand's view on the matter. But I'll play building blocks with you because I'm curious as to what you are fishing for. Hopefully, you won't continue to embarrass yourself. You probably don't realize how often you have.

Here it is in a way that even you can understand ( hope).

As human beings we are given the opportunity to make decisions unlike animals who react on instinct. That makes us special. So choice is a positive attribute because it separates us from the animal kingdom.The ability to choose is a product of free will. That is the overriding gift we have been given or have evolved to possess. As humans we can make good choices or bad choices.

Here is an interesting article relating to various aspect of women and "parity" and how one man's work day went in an all feminist office setting. Mandatory boardroom quotas for women; the Asian woman syndrome; the mean woman, and other aspects of womanhood are discussed. It's 'politically incorrect' therefore refreshing reading: It is not meant for those with a short attention span.........

the-spearhead.com/2011/12/01/outrage-mounts-as-forbes-woman-tries-to-export-millennial-burnout-syndrome-mbs-globally
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Zim you could easily work for any propaganda agency at anytime in the past,

I don't have time. I'm too busy exploiting the little people so that I don't have to pay my "fair share" in taxes.

you are almost uniquely qualified with the vacuous monologues and evasion.

Coming from you that must be a compliment. You wouldn't know specificity if it sat on your face.

Do you think choice is a good thing? Is it something you support?
Please highlight where you explicitly answered that.

Just for you this one time I will repeat my answers which are twofold.
"Choice involves making a decision when there are 2 or more possibilities. Such decisions are preferably made by using reason and logic, not emotion. Choice often comes with responsibilities as well."

"I answered your question in my prior post. If you want something specific then ask me a specific question regarding 'choice'.Your comment is otherwise nebulous. If you are fishing for something then spell it out!"

If you don't understand a simple answer to a simple question then I'm wasting my time with a child-like mind. I'm tempted to ask you if you are for 'choice' but also opposed to it at the same time. lol
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

do you support the idea of choice or don't you?

I answered your question in my prior post. If you want something specific then ask me a specific question regarding 'choice'. Your comment is otherwise nebulous. If you are fishing for something then spell it out!

in some positions in the work force I am completely opposed to affirmative action while in other positions I can clearly see a logical reason for it-

Another general statement, once again, in which areas are you for it and in which areas are you against it? ......and do you still oppose something which you claim is a good idea? Be specific for a change.

Zim stop posting stuff you feel makes a point cos you heard it from some bar room bore.

Was that you sitting next to me?

This silly idea flies in the face of almost every discipline known to man.

It's okay if you feel that individual rights fly "in the face of almost every discipline known to man".
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-American Musicians [45]

Let's not forget the incredibly successful singer and songwriter Gene Pitney who had two dozen hit records.
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vDN4L7cAQf0

The legendary Peter Cetera of the group Chicago,

Pete Cetera also grew up on the south side of Chicago but he grew up on the nice side of the tracks, unlike me.
By the way Bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora is half Polish, half Italian in ancestry. I run into that combo frequently.

Now, how could anyone leave out Bobby Vinton? This was his 5th number 1 hit record.
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iGzYWrn-XGM
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-American Musicians [45]

Another Polish American musician who grew up on the south side of Chicago is Ray Manzarek who was co-founder of the Doors featuring Jim Morrison. He was Mr. Keyboard.

youtu.be/3XzHotB5-To
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
USA, Canada / Polish-American Musicians [45]

Let's not forget legendary drummer and jazz great Gene Krupa (who grew up in my old neighborhood albeit many years before me).
ZIMMY   
2 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

No, I believe that government should mandate quotas and people better accept them. Favoring one group while discriminating against another is the way to go (just kidding).

Choice involves making a decision when there are 2 or more possibilities. Such decisions are preferably made by using reason and logic, not emotion. Choice often comes with responsibilities as well.

Now, to relate choice to group rights, I find Ayn Rand's philosophy of choice when dealing with individual and group rights most interesting.
aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_collectivized_rights

From the link: "Since only an individual man can possess rights, the expression "individual rights" is a redundancy (which one has to use for purposes of clarification in today's intellectual chaos). But the expression "collective rights" is a contradiction in terms."

"A group, as such, has no rights. A man can neither acquire new rights by joining a group nor lose the rights which he does possess. The principle of individual rights is the only moral base of all groups or associations. Any group that does not recognize this principle is not an association, but a gang or a mob."
ZIMMY   
1 Dec 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Dude, give it up.

As it stands you favor quotas for women in select positions such as political representation but at the same time you also oppose them. You don't seem to be able to explain this contradiction and instead substitute the following:

I think drinking water is a good idea but I oppose it when I'm swimming.

If you believe that explains your dual and opposing positions on quotas for women then continue to live in your small self contradicting fishbowl. It's not quite the analogy you 'feel' it is.

Once again if something is a "good idea" and you still oppose it then logically do you favor bad ideas? ...or do you just oppose ideas in general? Try to break through that brain cramp wall you keep facing. I know you can do it.
ZIMMY   
30 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

Your recent post is written in a jaded manner. Perhaps it's because defending something which you believe to be a "good idea" and yet in the same sentence "oppose" it is a difficult turn to make even for a philosophical Houdini. How can one oppose a "good idea"? Conversely, does that also mean that you favor bad ideas?

If black is white to you then I finally understand your positions of incongruity. Perhaps you are of the school of thought that decisions should be based on emotion, not logic. I wish you luck with that.
ZIMMY   
30 Nov 2011
Love / What's the way to seduce a Polish girl ? [64]

What's the way to seduce a polish girl ?
Don't use condoms.
fact.on.ca/news/news0207/ts020701.htm

edit: Southern, you could use this information in your um, discussions with all the women you meet.

Of course, it's also organic, accept no substitutes.
psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201101/attention-ladies-semen-is-antidepressant
ZIMMY   
29 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

You wrote that "men don't want to be miners" now you're going on about what parents want for their kids.

Okay, parents prefer their kids not grow up to be miners, and kids prefer not to be miners. There! The rest is gobbly gook on your part.

Some men like doing what you would consider a sh*tty job.

Now you've generalized. I referred to coal miners. Other difficult jobs might include being an oil rigger. Some men do like that kind of work. Don't be so oafish.

am I just falling for a persistent troll job on your part?

I don't think that trolls write in depth posts especially ones you are too close minded to understand.

In many cases, affirmative action is a poison but in other cases it is definitely a good idea.

Aha, there it is. You do believe in affirmative action. You've finally stopped tip toeing around. Can you tell us when it is a "good idea"? Give some examples, please.

I have written that I'm only in favour of the spirit of this idea but overall OPPOSE IT...

Wait, you just stated that you think it's a "good idea", at least in some instances but overall oppose it. You are the one who is disengenuous and vague.

Okay, so you believe affirmative action is, as you put it, " definitely a good idea" but you "oppose it". Why do you oppose "good ideas"?

In your previous post(97), regards quotas, you stated, "it's actually a really good idea in one way i.e. half of society is female so why shouldn't half of government reps befemale. In your post (99), you noted, "the whole point is that if half the population is one gender, shouldn't have the government representation also be downthat line?. Your own comments suggest that you support quotas because your comments look like quotas, walk like quotas and quack like quotas.

Given your immense ambivalence you ironically said this;

The argument you had provided against it was weak sauce and didn't even make sense.

Thanks for the laugh, I was so loud that my dog jumped off my lap.

I criticized your arguments which were in opposition to a proposal of gender parity in government.

No! I am opposed to artificial government mandated parity, that dirty thing call 'quotas'. Did a light just go on in your head? I also pointed out the prejudicial and hypocritical notion of those who demand equal percentages of jobs in one category but not in jobs that are less desirable. That is a bigoted philosophy, not one of real equality.

I can't multitask. Not really.

Rub your tummy and chew gum at the same time.;)
Feminists have attempted to find things women can do better than men and have come up with this nonsense. Nobody, man or woman can work as proficiently multitasking. Focusing on one-thing-at-a-time is the preferred way to get something accomplished well. (but I will admit that I can juggle three balls in the air, read a newspaper and bicycle all at the same time;)).
ZIMMY   
29 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

some jobs actually do show an improvement on a community when specific genders or ethnicities are in them

Could you elaborate? I'll await your position on diversity.

I'm not defending the extent to which things have gone

Of course you are. I once met a woman who told me that she was not a hooker but if I could give her a lift to Reno, Nevada then she would be "very very thankful" (I was at Lake Tahoe at the time, about 50 miles from Reno). You are like that woman pretending not to be what you are.

I'm talking about grown up enough men, capable of determining the kind of work they like and don't like and YES some of them prefer that kind of work to other jobs.

You're in fairy tale land again. No father or mother wants their son to grow up digging coal.

Scenario:
Mother: "Yes son, someday you will be like your father coming home with coal all over your face and body and coughing up blood.

Son: "Thanks mom, I'm looking forward to that."
Father: "And if you're lucky, you'll get Black Lung disease and suffer for years just like me."
Son: "Sounds good, can I be hunched over and in constant pain like you too?
Father" "That's my boy."

People who work in those jobs have to in order to support their families. They are both humble and a proud people at the same time.

youtube.com/watch?v=Zv2uA5QEbNw

Is your brain made of F-ING JELLO? Look at the thread title- the question is about GENDER ONLY.

The title of this thread is, "Is parity the answer for Polish women" and by extension the question expanded to include women in general. Since you are demanding a quota for women in the clean office managerial positions, it cannot escape notice that women are vastly under represented in the harsh dangerous professions as well.

Yes, this thread is about gender and real equality not the 'pick-and-choose' preferential type.

Indeed women are in average lousier than men in logical reasoning.

You are very astute as well as brave. Don't you know that feminist organizations would stone you for saying this? You seem to be a woman 'par excellence'.

They [women] have better verbal abilities in average than men.

That's one way of putting it. I just say that women talk more, much more lol.

When it comes to average female vs average male intelligence, although commons sense somehow suggests that men are in average higher scorers, studies about it a rare, political correctness seems stands in a way.

"Political correctness" is the western worlds social virus. The only cure for it is to use logic. Sadly, our professors, both male and female, are afflicted with this destructive virus which censors common sense and truth.

You are correct however, that the highest IQ's are male, but so are the lowest. Seems that men dominate the top levels as well as the lowest ones. When averaged out

the "British Journal of Psychology" says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests. Virtually all such studies have indicated this but once again, it isn't politically polite to publicly report these findings.

These is noting wrong with differences between the sexes, after all, without them there would be no human race (we're all one race irrespective of color, etc).

There are the obvious physical differences but also many subtle ones as well. Women know more about this than men because they read the many women's magazines which describe 'female problems'. For instance (and I've got dozens of examples), about 22% of menopausal women in the US are diagnosed with thyroid dysfunction. The majority of these women suffer from a sluggish thyroid (hypothyroidism) which leads to fatigue, weight gain, depression, high cholesterol and other symptoms. Some suffer from hyperthyroidism,which is an overactive thyroid. Men are much less affected except of course when watching sports on television and drinking excessive amounts of beer thus gaining weight during their 50's.

The point is; we should not be censored when it comes to facts.

personally I know more gifted men than women.

Male innovation and creativity seem to bear that out, certainly historically it does. Almost everything people use was invented by males. Women hurt themselves in this area by concentrating too much on (their) beauty. How many hours a week do women put in attempting to make themselves look pleasing? How many do men? All those extra hours make a big difference. Was that nature or nurture?

Insisting on artificial changes of by biology given limits of both genders is silly.

Absolutely correct, yet feminists and the "politically correct" still attempt to ignore the differences between men and women. They claim that men and women are the same and any differences are mere "social constructs". What bullcrap.

The most common subgroup, PMS Type A, consists of premenstrual anxiety, irritability and nervous tension, sometimes expressed in behavior patterns detrimental to self, family and society.

This has actually been used as a defense in some murder cases.

not once has someone given a comparative situation to an "industry" which is comparable to realm of what political representation is supposed to be at a municipal, state/provincial or federal level.

Your stuck in your small fish bowl. All industries are different yet have some degree of similarities with each other. You believe that representation by quota is different. I don't as I know that a rose this malodorous still smells fetid.

Women make up the majority of the voting public. They can vote anyone in that they want to vote in. They are not prohibited from running for office, indeed, I can make an argument that they receive favored treatment in this and many other areas.

Zimmy, rightfully, sees that if we follow the slippery slope of gender based representation then other "minority" groups would then demand mandatory political representation based on their numbers as well. I AGREED WITH HIM that because of this and other factors that it's not a good idea overall, at least not in the capacity of current western political systems. But if he's going to ask me why I am not arguing for that too then it's because IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I AM OPPOSED TO THE IDEA!!!

I'm guessing that you don't see your own contradiction in the above statement. Additionally, you don't want affirmative action for "minority" groups but you want it for a majority one (women are 50.5% of the population).

Replacing one form of discrimination with another form of discrimination doesn't solve the problem. It only creates future problems as those who are now being discriminated against will end up demanding new laws that will grant them preferential treatment. A vicious cycle. Not to mention the hate and resentment the quota cronies generate. Discrimination is wrong, period, no exceptions,

AMEN!
ZIMMY   
27 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

because what i stated doesn't refer to ALL jobs

So you are selective. We know that already.

the present system disallows many women from entering based on them being women.

That's an outright falsehood. Women are not prohibited from running for public or private offices. You sound like a women's study major. Were you really that brainwashed by academia?

ZIMMY:
Men don't want to be miners either. It's what they're stuck with.
Some do, some don't.

Another odd comment from you. Do you really believe that young men growing up look forward to work in mines? Those who end up there do it out of necessity. It's not a career they want. They work to support their families.

What do you perceive to be arbitrary about political presentation based on numbers?

The fact that you base it on gender only and not on other criteria such as race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc., and of course you ignore other jobs such as long-haul trucking, crane operation, power line installers, oil rig workers, and thousands of other positions. Yes, your position is not only "arbitrary" but discriminatory. True equality does not mean that a select group can pick and choose only those areas that are favorable.

I've every reason to believe you have no experience on what true injustice really is

Injustice is passing laws that discriminate against one group for the benefit of another. Quotas do exactly that.

This is discrimination and limitation of freedom by gender.What if a woman wants to vote for a male candidate?Why take the right from her?

You are being logical and in our "politically correct" western cultures that sort of thinking must not be allowed. You will make the Orwellian brain explode with such a rational

philosophy.

Of course those who demand quotas infer that people who benefit by them cannot be successful on their own. There is an inherent sense of inferiority about those needing extra help by those superior beings giving it to them.
ZIMMY   
27 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

you're suggesting that politicians are in office based on merit only,

Of course not. What I am saying is that it's the best system even with all its flaws. It's certainly better than quotas.

Men and women gravitate towards different jobs and that's that

Therefore why create an artificial system of quotas? Let people 'do their thing'.

Most women don't want to be miners

Men don't want to be miners either. It's what they're stuck with.

ZIMMY:
a quota for the high ranking professional and decision making jobs is discriminatory because it allows one favored group to 'pick-and-choose preferred employment over others.

I agree with you unless that job is to represent those who belong to your gender group

So you make an arbitrary exception in this one area eh? Why stop there? Perhaps we should have ethnic representation as well? Perhaps an 'adequate' amount of Italian Americans or Polish Americans or Greek Americans etc should be quota-ed in? How about a percentage of gay reps? By your logic we should be numerically equal with everyone and not just 'pick-and-choose' subjectively.

here is simply no way a woman can hope to represent men's point of view in the world

Really? ...and just what is that view? Perhaps Maggie Thatcher can straighten us out on that.

That is the essence of the argument you haven't acknowledged.

Snap out of it, we're humans first and our natural interests overlap so often that only politically correct agenda-driven people (feminists, liberals, et al) fail to notice that.

If you honestly can't see the difference between what miners or long-haul drivers et all do compared to what a politician is supposed to do then we simply can't continue this discussion

Probably not as you seem dense in that area.

Tell me how those jobs are similar and different, after you do that then we can continue.

They are not similar and indeed are different. Just as a miner's job is different than a long-haul truckers job or a fashion models is different than a store managers'. I freely acknowledge that many jobs are dissimilar. That's another reason we should not pick-and-choose quotas for favored positions only.

I can't acknowledge your point of view as anything but delusional.

LOl, yes indeed, it's delusional for me to believe in the free market place when it comes to employment as opposed to some arbitrary authority appointing people to some 'flavor-of-the-moment-in-time' philosophy which may change in the future. At another time the mediators of justice might demand that 50% of people must speak Swahili.

Forced injustice is such nonsense.

...an entirely new system would be required. In my opinion, the number of zones would have to be reduced and enlarged....Only men would be allowed to vote for male candidates and only women would be allowed to vote for female candidates.....The reason I oppose the idea overall is because I can't see HOW it could be implemented.

I'm glad that you oppose a "straw dog" premise that you've needlessly inserted.
ZIMMY   
26 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

I can only conclude you don't understand what I've communicated to you.

I'll try to cut-to-the-quick before this topic gets twisted and we end up communicating at cross purposes. You first noted;

50/50, why not? It's not as though the status quo isn't ailing.

. This suggests an artificial quota. I oppose that. Call me crazy but I believe in something called 'merit' even with all its flaws. As Southern noted,

Women usually do not claim equal numbers in truck driving front soldiers battling or participating in mining explorations.

Therefore, a quota for the high ranking professional and decision making jobs is discriminatory because it allows one favored group to 'pick-and-choose preferred employment over others.

You then stated;

it's actually a really good idea in one way i.e. half of society is female so why shouldn't half of government reps be female.

I logically countered that since half of society is female then why shouldn't that half be consistent and demand to be 50% of coal miners, oil rig workers, crane operators, etc. Demanding quotas for high ranking jobs to a select group of people is inherently discriminatory not to mention just plain unfair. This artificially sets up a privileged group of people.

No, nor do I believe that others are more equal, do you believe some groups are more equal and deserve extra protections?

Obviously not. How could you not gather that from my responses?

es there have been and will always be bad laws

So far so good.

any new law must be interpreted as "bad."

Yet there are some good laws and there are some bad laws. The right to free speech is good, the right to ban someone with hairy legs is bad. It's not all relative.

I honestly do NOT see the point you're trying to illustrate with f'd up self entitled secretaries and how it relates to a law demanding women are proportionally represented in Parliament, the Sejm or Congress or where ever.

That's the crux of the matter. I don't care if women or pygmies or talking parrots are elected as long as they are done so by citizens who freely vote for them. I do mind if some percentage is given for one group or another. It's unfair to a more qualified person who is not of that group and is not allowed to compete because some numerical number prohibits him or her from doing so. It creates real victims.
ZIMMY   
26 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

If anything you've proven my point

I couldn't have because you don't have a logical one.

Most politicians are men and according to your own admission, they make decisions affecting industries they don't understand.

We don't need to use quotas to increase additional uninformed people who will then attempt to apply even more laws in areas they don't understand. Why do they need a quota in the first place? Adding an additional avalanche of rules and regulations by a supposed oppressed group only suppresses economic growth. Do you belive that some people are inherently less equal and therefore deserve extra protections?

we could allow your mining representative but even then you have to factor in where those miners live and if they truly are the majority where they live

Unfortunately, most of the rules tend to be national where one set of rules covers all (note Obamacare). At the very least many are state-by-state but it seems that BigGovernment wants to trump all.

there are women with out of proportion entitlement issues in North America but secretaries demanding they get paid as much as long haul truck drivers in the U.S. are neither the majority in Poland nor connected to any tangible argument.

Many dubious laws which would have been thought ridiculous have been passed with many being of the "politically correct" variety.
For example, the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) isn't a tangible argument either and yet it's a discriminatory law that passed. (I'm guessing you don't know how bad it is)

Tell me the connection because I don't see one!

That's because it's right in front of you.

ZIMMY:
Are you in favor of gender quotas?

Rarely but in some instances, yes for both male and female workers.

So you 'feel' that fighting alleged discrimination with additional discriminatory laws is somehow logical?
What quotas do you favor for women? Since you noted that you also favor quotas for men as well then I have to ask; in what areas? (this should be interesting).
ZIMMY   
25 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

In what way is being a miner akin to a politician in terms of representing constituents?

Many political decisions including law making are made by people who don't understand the industry they are affecting. For example, doctrinaire feminists 'feel' that a woman working as a secretary in an air-conditioned office deserves the same pay as a long-haul truck driver who has to deal with physical responsibilities; and being on-the-road for days and sometimes weeks at a time. By their agenda-driven standards feminists claim "comparative worth" and have on many occasions attempted to pass laws to that effect. They still wish to legislate pricing based on their perceived values. Would you like such people (among others) to represent you? They 'don't get it' and it seems neither do you.

Are you in favor of gender quotas? If so, please elaborate. Call me difficult but even with all its imperfections I believe that people should achieve their jobs by a common sense concept called merit.

Unfortunately it shows your astute command of the irrelevant.

Ironic for you to say that but those with a limited mind-set often do. They don't know what they don't know.

Try harder.

LOL, I don't think so. Perhaps you should since you've given nothing of worth as of yet.

I think the lady got a pretty good deal provided both males are hetero-, or bisexual.

From the article I read, it would seem that one of the men is bisexual and the other gay. The woman is straight.

So when one of them dies (after a long and happy marriage) do the two remaining spouses get to collect death benefits, pension benefits etc?

I'm just waiting for how the divorce works out.
ZIMMY   
23 Nov 2011
Life / Is parity the answer for Polish women? [262]

The whole point is that if half the population is one gender, shouldn't have the government representation also be down that line?

If feminists demand equality and claim gender differences are 'social constructs' then shouldn't they also demand to work in the "death profession" jobs?

Anything else is 'pick-and-choose' favoritism that would create an advantageous white collar social group and a disadvantaged 'death-collar' one.

In the U.S men are forced to sign up for a potential draft while women don't; yet women would be mandated to be 50% of policy-making positions where decisions involving war-making would be made by draft exempt women. That's just one example.

The jobs you guys listed are tough jobs but the existence of them isn't to represent the interests of the voting population.

They absolutely do. I've had many discussions with women who have had no idea of what it takes to build a bridge or put up a highrise. They just take these things and many others for granted.

In Texas, going back a couple of decades, women at a trucking firm wanted to make the same wage as men who were long-haul truck drivers. They bought the "wage-gap" nonsense. These women worked in air-conditioned offices and were home every night. The men were often away from their homes, from their families for days and even up to a couple of weeks at-a-time. They often had to drive long hours, fix any flats or anything else that went wrong with their vehicles, etc, They were caught in storms or whatever, not to mention accidents. These women did not understand these problems because there were hardly any women involved in driving long-haul trucks.

The men decided that if the women were going to get paid the same as them then they would apply for the safe office jobs as well. They'd like to be home every night too. That's when the women finally understood the problem. They didn't want to be long-haul truckers after all.

you guys gotta up your game a bit.

I just did.
Men are 93%-94% of all job related deaths annually so decisions involving their particular occupations shouldn't be made by people who don't understand the needs let alone the culture of their jobs. That's also 1 of the 3 main reasons men are paid more and it's justified.
ZIMMY   
17 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

On the whole, I have found immigrant and first generation women of Polish descent to be more attuned to the realities of nature and womanhood than their spoiled westernized sisters. ... smarter too.
ZIMMY   
17 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

*piqued

I could have used "piqued" and perhaps it would have been more correct. Often the word "peaked" is confused with "piqued" which is a common error. Nevertheless, the verb

“to peak” or “peaked” brings a connotation that after “peaking” the “interest” will promptly begin to decline. Not in your case as evidenced by your curiosity which continues to 'peak' (when the word is used as a verb).

First you claim to have empirical data to back you, then you attack statistics?

Once again you falsely claim something which was not stated. Observing your other posts, that seems to be a habit with you. I merely noted that statistics "can be misleading they nevertheless, if used properly, can help us determine facts...." Try not to posture false positions on others. You only end up arguing with yourself.

Statistics are only misleading when they're used incorrectly,

See what I mean? Isn't that what my quote ".....statistics.....if used properly" suggests? You might want to take the time to reread what people state.

I still don't see empirical data.

That's a rather terse comment for such a nebulous area. Start a thread about gender relations and I'll be happy to oblige.

t's interesting how you resort to banal attempts at humor...

If the humor is indeed "banal" it is still better than having none at all. Your posts reflect agitation, not humor.

you don't have a single coherent argument against anything I said.

Your perfection aside; let's take just one of your comments. You noted that "inflammatory statements alone disqualify you [Zimmy] from being an alpha male."

That's false. If indeed my comments were "inflammatory" that does not preclude my alpha maleness. Many alpha males make "inflammatory" statements. Some are righteous and some are wrong. That does not prohibit any other alpha criteria they possess. It can be in the form of brain power, physical strength, wealth, social aggressiveness or a slew of other attributes. Indeed, if one never used "inflammatory" discourse, that would suggest a lack of alpha maleness.
ZIMMY   
17 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

Estrogen poisoning....infantile attempt at humor.

It's called humor and most of my comments have been 'tongue-in-cheek' which you took literally.

Do you think only women produce estrogen?

No! Everybody knows that men have some estrogen and women have some testosterone. You seem uptight.

I see no p values showing statistical significance.

While statistics can be misleading they nevertheless, if used properly, can help us determine facts and help us make decisions.

your inflammatory statements alone disqualify you from being an alpha male

Evidently my "inflammatory statements" peaked your interest.

this is a put-down, just so you can tell the difference

Oh, and I thought you were being charitable with me. Thanks for spelling it out.

Donating money doesn't make you 'cultured'.

It doesn't? Well, I'll be damned; I thought that's all it took.

he is nothing like you show yourself to be

My, my, my; you really get a bug up your orifice at the slightest harmless comments eh? You also presume and assume too much.

. As for the ballroom dancing skills...do you really think that alone is enough to sustain the interest of any woman worth her salt?

Another assumption eh? I don't believe you'll find me suggesting that (you really need to get a grip). Actually, it's my smoldering blue eyes and confident aura along with a mystic spirituality that seems to peak women's interests in me ;)....and my fabulous abs.

a ripped man, or a very rich man (I'm sure this will draw incredulity from you, but they tend to have their own particular baggage)

Yes indeed, I am truly incredulous at this shocking news. Thanks for sharing.

I'm beginning to think that this is going to be an exercise in futility...I'll just stop here.

Well, at least your beginning to think. Don't give up.
ZIMMY   
16 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

Chloroform?

Lol, of course not. My inadvertent seductive powers come naturally. It's a gift.

Seriously, though, you should try to get to know some women as friends

If you only knew.......
I thought you showed more promise than this. Resorting to this tired old yet typical type of female put-down is unfortunately so typical of women who have lived in their small fishbowl. Sometimes there are so many women around me that I fear I might catch estrogen poisoning.

Your view is quite warped.

In other words, you don't agree with my logic based on extensive empirical experience and research and just plain living with women.

I find that a number of Polish girls are much more educated and down to earth than their American/British counterparts and also partake in a lot less drama.

Here we agree. The so-called western female has been spoiled by hypocritical feminism and weak men who have catered to virtually all of their demands both in custom and law.

Try a library, a concert, a play...

You are new to this forum so you are unaware of my extensive contributions. In addition to the above (not so much libraries) I am also a patron of the arts and am quite proud of my ballroom dancing skills. Women who enjoy my company know 'where I'm coming from' and they seem to enjoy the alpha in me.

edit: Sparky needs to go outside.
ZIMMY   
15 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

I agree with you. Many women have shed tears of joy upon learning that they have the opportunity of a date with me, however, most just swoon.
ZIMMY   
15 Nov 2011
Love / How do I make a Polish girl cry? [107]

the absurd assumption that all Polish women (and men for that matter) are exactly the same,

Feminists have been in the forefront to suggest that men and women are the same and any differences are social constructs.

Sometimes women cry for no apparent reason. They won't admit it is often hormonal unless they need some excuse for their violence or some dastardly act they've committed. Then it's okay to use the 'gender card'.

Of course, if you really want to make a woman cry (I don't suggest it because it is spiteful) then tell them you are leaving them for another man.