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Bratwurst Boy   
27 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

I could call may-self Prussian, having almost the same title as they do.:)

Sure why not?

Prussia was very multi-kulti for it's time...Germans from everywhere, french huguenots, Jews, Poles ...

It's a state of mind rather than an everchanging geographical event. "Prussian virtues" are still very much en vogue in Germany. It had been these virtues which made people able to stamp one of the most important empires out of the barren brandenburgian sand.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues#Historical_Development

It had been these virtues which enabled the Germans to pull themselves out of the dirt again and again through hard work.

And not to forget the shifting of the center of the new, re-unified Germany from cozy, comfy, dull Bonn (Bonn republic) to Berlin (Berlin republic) changed the old rhenish Bundesrepublic to a much more prussian Germany in attitude and outlook. These changes are already felt in Europe! ;)

A source of current conflict with other countries in Europe who don't follow similiar virtues, like austerity, especially now in a time of crisis.

It's a matter of spirit and that lives on! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

I think the Prussian officers would be rather offended by this statement.
And these weren't the people you would like to offend, right?

Why?
Do you have an idea which position Prussia took in the German Empire?

I know the Volksdeutsche formed the SS troops in the Ukraine and many other Eastern European countries.

Nope...Volksdeutsche could gain entry in the German SS divisions. The foreign SS divisions were for foreigners...like Ukrainians or other eastern European countries.

The commies had their Comintern, so I can Imagine the nazis could have formed a similar organization. Just a guess.

Hitler tried to build an anti-comintern alliance...even inviting Poland.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Comintern_Pact

...
The Pact was to be originally introduced in late November 1935 with invitations for Britain, Italy, China and Poland to join.[2]

Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

Maybe not Germans but, Prussian officers.

Erm...Prussian officers were Germans, you know? ;)
Officers of the German Empire under the Kaiser....

But I guess it may been quite possible don't you agree?

Not really Gruni.
Germany was on the brink of destruction with a civil war already raging, also in the army, threatening to destroy the old world order, in the midst of losing the biggest war to date with an absolute uncertain future, still starving to death because of the Anglo-french blockade, with no idea that they would lose 1/4 of their territory soon...no, Poles had been not much in the german minds.

But if there would had been surely some literature about that. But nothing I read till today showed any sign of the East featuring in any way in the mess Germany had been in 1918.

The re-shuffling of the borders later in Versailles was the starting point actually...
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

This one?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamo%C5%9B%C4%87#History

...
Zamość was founded in the year 1580 by the Chancellor and Hetman (head of the army of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) Jan Zamoyski, on the trade route linking western and northern Europe with the Black Sea.

Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

BB durign the war I hardly think that it was aimed at Poles or a newborn Poland but when they started to lose... or when they saw it as an big oppurtunity for the Poles to regain independance or start an uprising... they tried to halt it somehow...

Believe me...at the end of the war the fate of the Poles was not on the mind of the Germans.
To much concerned with their own fate and the abyss of the changing world order, civil war and a looming revolution soviet style.
Not to mention that the territorial losses had been forced onto Germany in 1919 as the war was long over.

Who knows if the german government would had agreed to all that if they had known in 1918....
Hence the Dolchstoss-legend! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

There's more worldwide interest in archeological finds from say Egypt than Poland.

Ummm...I for one are foremostly interested in the history of central Europe.
For example the century find of the Sky disc of Nebra is much more interesting to me than any pyramid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

Or the recent archeological finds that the modern Saxony was much more crowded 5000 years back than today... probably all Celts.

I have come to known Poles as very interested in their history...possibly BECAUSE they had been "wiped from the map" for some time. At least more than in the history of Egypt!

That's why I wonder...
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

Millions of tourists visited the battlefields of France after the First World War, but only a few pushed further and investigated the devastation caused by the World War in Poland.

Problem is there hadn't been devastations in Poland. The devastations had been in Prussia, Russia and Austria.

You should keep that in mind. Because the destruction hadn't been aimed at Poles or Poland.

The loss of human life, which I should have mentioned first, is hard to estimate for Poles fought in all three contending armies.

I've read a number as high as 1,23 Mill people....
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

Heh:)

Mainstream info in Wiki (I'm sure polish wiki is much more informative)
Zamoyski should have tried it for starters....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_and_protohistory_of_Poland

...

Celtic, Germanic and Baltic tribes inhabited various parts of Poland. Eventually, in the Middle Ages, the area came to be dominated by Slavic tribes and finally became home to a number of West Slavic Polish tribes that formed small states in the region, beginning in the 8th century.

I wonder how Zamoyski describes the period where Slavic tribes did wander into germanic settled lands and how that worked out all "unwarlike" as they were! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

Yes but they had quite a good idea that it would come about by the end,...

Actually no, they hadn't.

Germany agreed to the negotiations because of the ongoing blockade by the Brits and French but mainly because of the "Wilson's 14 points" plan to end the war and to regulate the aftermath.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

...The Fourteen Points was a speech delivered by United States President Woodrow Wilson to a joint session of Congress on January 8, 1918. The address was intended to assure the country that the Great War was being fought for a moral cause and for postwar peace in Europe.

But what came out in Versailles was something the US/Wilson didn't agreed with what led to the pullout of the US from the "peace conference" negotiations. Germany was f*ucked!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles#United_States_rejects_Treaty

...Of the many provisions in the treaty, one of the most important and controversial required Germany to accept sole responsibility for causing the war and, under the terms of articles 231-248 (later known as the War Guilt clauses), to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions and pay heavy reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers.

...and whilst I think that Zamoyski exaggerates, there in no doubt that it did happen, The Russians used a similar tactic. often the Russians and Germans used such tactics to deny each other vital resources.

That only happened once, during "Total war" in WWII.
Don't mix up the wars....both differ greatly, in ideology, reasoning, causes and execution.

And even if, a serious historians work isn't to "exaggerate" but to present objective facts and to prove them with evidence.
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

That's what I meant with infighting....the fight between the nationalists and the communists didn't stop in the army...quite the contrary.
The old order broke down.

There wasn't even an Austria yet but still the Austro-Hungarian empire breaking down.

in 1918 the war was over, mainly happened in the West anyhow....

This author is a liar!
Bratwurst Boy   
24 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]

Germany for sure did not get any reparations from anybody after WWI...WE PAID THEM!
Reparations is for losers!
Germany paid the last reparation for WW1 this year (2010).
Israel demands another 500 MIL for WWII (the East-German part they didn't get till now)...how is that?

"operation de-industrialisation" my arse! What crap! 1918 the german army was self-destructing and infighting.
(Not to mention that there was no Poland in 1918....I very much doubt the german army was on a destruction-spree in Germany).
The Treaty of Versaille decided that in 1919.

This guy is a plain liar...
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jan 2011
History / How Polish history is viewed by other countries textbooks [124]

No, Chopin was no more 100% French than Copernicus was 100% German!

Hey!

I bet Choppi had some German in him some down the line too....if we look deep enough...hmmm

;)

(or perhaps Polish-French would be a better way of putting it)

Pench?
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jan 2011
News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]

we need to proper for economical armageddon as politicians will not change as they think the music is still playing and they are dancing, it will be war or series of small conflicts around the world.

What makes you think after such an "armageddon" things will change to the better?
What better alternative you have in mind in the first place???

People aren't going to change just because of another catastrophe....
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Jan 2011
News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]

You have to at least try and be more discreet

We so try! Can you see it how hard we try???

No other country in Europe is so pushing BELOW it's weight than Germany....really...

at least don't openly give
him the Best Generalgoverneur prize in Aachen...

But..but...but...everybody and his grandmom get's it! Don't sweat it! ;)

You need more diskretion (if that's the word
I want), BB - much more of it :)

Oh manno.... :(
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Jan 2011
News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]

...heh:)

Another try for a slavic alliance then? ;)

And we are so not GAY Lovers!!! More like the old grumpy couple...

"Mitteleuropa alliance" sounds nice....And France has it's hands full with the Mediterraneans anyhow...let's do it!

PS: What's polish for "Mitteleuropa"?