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kaprys   
3 May 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

@Lyzko
There's little similarity between prewar Poland and 21st century America, imho.
Marianna was definitely uncommon in the 1930s so if someone didn't want to stand out, they would have chosen Maria ... but since you're lucky enough to know enough Poles and Polish Jews in the US to support your every -even least probable -claim, on every topic, who am I to argue with it.

@Nickidewbear
Back on topic. There's one more thing to look for in old records (apart from wyznanie mojzeszowe), the word 'starozakonny' (starozakonni etc), which is an old fashioned way of referring to Jewish people (literally 'of the old order').

Here's how it's used:

starozakonni

And the site where I found it, which might be of some use for you
jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Poland/Questions.htm
Certain advice included there concerning looking for birth records would be sort of universal for different religions.
And as far as I am concerned, if you really want to find out the truth, it's high time to invest some time and money in professional help. Start with looking for the birth records of the last of your ancestors who was born in Poland, then their parents and so on.

It's hard to say if you succeed in finding what you're looking for, but it'll definitely be more probable than a random internet search.

Some other examples of Jewish records:
The birth record of Szmul Tuchmic from 1923 - it includes information about wyznanie mojzeszowe

judaika.polin.pl/dmuseion/docmetadata?id=7270&show_nav=true

Another site in Polish with different examples of birth and death records of Polish Jews from the early 19th century -scroll down for photos. These include the word starozakonny.

google.com/amp/s/klubzaglebiowski.wordpress.com/2018/08/17/akt-urodzenia-religii-zydowskiej-starozakonni-w-bedzinskich-ksiegach-metrykalnych/amp/

Of course, things might have varied depending on the parish but to be sure you need some solid information from the state archives. Contact them. Even if you don't have enough money to do everything at once, do it step by step.

Good luck.
kaprys   
2 May 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

They wouldn't have put a Christian name in the birth act of a Jewish baby. And it doesn't matter some are equivalents of Hebrew names.

A Christian girl would have been registered as Ewa, and a Jewish one as Chawa.
Just like they would have used Szmul or Szlomo for Samuel.
Read into Jewish birth records for comparison.
And Yiddish names were used well into the 20th century.

Marianna was used by Catholics as Maria was just used only of Virgin Mary.
I see no reason why Jews would be forced to use 'secular' names - especially in birth records.
Also keep in mind that not everybody with the same (or similar) name is your family.
There's nothing in this birth record that would suggest Jewish roots - at least I can't see it. Perhaps there's information concerning wyznanie mojzeszowe that I can't decipher.

That doesn't, of course, rule out the fact that you might have had Jewish ancestors. Before WW2 there were only religious marriages, so perhaps someone converted to marry the man she loved. Or you might have had some frankists in your family tree. Afaik, thousands of them were baptised at some point - however, I don't know if they remained Catholic.
kaprys   
2 May 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

According to the Cambridge Dictionary a source is:

someone or something that supplies information:
The journalist refused to reveal her sources (= say who had given the information to her).
According to government sources (= people in the government) many MPs are worried about this issue.
According to congressional sources (= people who work in Congress) many Representatives are worried about this issue.
Always acknowledge your sources (= say which books you have used) at the end of a paper.

'Any history' is not enough. For example, I'm pretty interested in the etymology of names and historical changes so I would love to read an article about how the Church made it impossible to name Jewish children Wojciech or Franciszek.

I have even tried to google information about your claim about such cases in Spain and I failed. Will you help me out, please?

Have you managed to decipher the records?
kaprys   
1 May 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

Any source on your claim that 'in SOME countries' 'it MIGHT have been forbidden' by the Church?

Now try to google what Polish Jews of the era used instead of Samuel. I know. Do you? After all, it's part of your heritage as you claim.

But I guess helping Nicki with the records is more important right now.
kaprys   
1 May 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

They spoke Yiddish and followed their customs. They wouldn't have named their children Hans or Jean either. Times were different. Stop demonising the Church.

As we all know that your American haven isn't as perfect as you want us to believe. Have you commented here about the shooting in a synagogue in San Diego yet?

And since you claim your Polish is fluent, how about you help her with the translations instead of spreading your biases again.

I doubt it'd be Samuel. .. I guess you'd have to learn more about Polish Jews.
kaprys   
30 Apr 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

Also Berko, Szejna or Lejzer are Jewish names while Zuzanna, Wojciech, Rozalia, Klara, Katarzyna etc aren't. I doubt anyone Jewish would use these Christian names to name their child in the first half of the 19th century ...
kaprys   
30 Apr 2019
Classifieds / Translation Needed: Zuzanna Danilowicz's Birth Record; And a P.S. [27]

@Nickidewbear
What exactly do you want to be translated?
In the first link, there are several records, if you're talking about the second record on the left, it doesn't mention Lipsk - all I can read is 'miesiąca lipca' - the month of July. I can't read everything but I see no single mention of the religion of the baby born. Why do you assume she was Jewish? More importanty, are you sure it was your ancestor? Or just someone with a similar name?
kaprys   
30 Apr 2019
Feedback / What makes an excellent forum? [119]

So that guy Carlson was born in Ostrołęka, right? And Shapiro celebrates Polish wigilia with his numerous friends from Bielsko Biała. Aha ...

As for ideas for an excellent Polish forum, I'm sick and tired of reading about things not connected to Poland at all.
kaprys   
29 Apr 2019
Love / Asking Polish Girl to be in a relationship [22]

@Lyzko
Well, you knew some Polish Americans then and that was apparently in the sixties. That, however, explains your previous claim that Polish women wear their hair in beehives.

@Towarzysz
According to what you have stated you have been here for about 4 years. So I guess you know a thing or two about people here. I don't think most women here marry right after they graduate - not any more. It's not particulary strange to make friends or date anyone here. Just go out for a drink with a colleague, meet their friends, chat someone up. That's all - it works pretty much the same all over Europe.
kaprys   
28 Apr 2019
Feedback / What makes an excellent forum? [119]

To be fair, today there was this nasty post by a certain poster that can't be seen anymore so the admin must have deleted it.

As for the nasty post about Paulina, I think it should be deleted, too.
kaprys   
28 Apr 2019
Feedback / What makes an excellent forum? [119]

But Rich, you're so much better than the rest of us.
What makes you think that it wasn't you I had in mind as the one who was the target of personal attacks? :)
kaprys   
28 Apr 2019
Feedback / What makes an excellent forum? [119]

@Admin
Diversity of opinions is fine -even if I don't agree and argue ;) but personal attacks are not.
kaprys   
26 Apr 2019
Language / Polish-American Grandma used to say this word! [18]

It's basically a**.

As for learning more about your family, you may start by looking for some information online yourself - starting with some birth records or simply reading about Silesia.

Although things may really vary. I remember one article by a guy from Silesia who wrote that even people living in one street would use different words for the same thing like babcia, oma and starka for grandma.

Do you remember any other words she used?
kaprys   
26 Apr 2019
News / Schools in Poland to strike tomorrow [235]

Well, as far as I know teachers shouldn't even have a speech defect so that kids don't pick it up from them so having teachers with a foreign accent could be interesting.

Also why would anyone come here to work for so little money?
kaprys   
26 Apr 2019
Work / Business in Poland - should I expect some dirty tricks? [26]

@dubaidude
Well, at least two posters here have no idea whatsoever about doing business in Poland. But I guess you're aware of the fact that it's just an internet forum full of random posters.

In fact, if I were you I'd be more than careful to even think of bribing someone as it may get you into some serious trouble.

You need to get someone reliable to help you through the beaurocracy for sure. I hope the company you chose has some good reviews.
kaprys   
24 Apr 2019
Work / Business in Poland - should I expect some dirty tricks? [26]

Also you'd have to offer some competitive working conditions and perks to make sure you get employees.
Read into the conditions of employing people in Poland and the costs for the employer before making the final decision.
kaprys   
18 Apr 2019
News / Schools in Poland to strike tomorrow [235]

That's the point. Why would anyone who doesn't willingly contribute to the budget get money from it?
If it's to be paid to those who actually do, it should be done in the most preferable way possible.
Of course there should be some money for those who recently lost their jobs and looking for another but I'm fed up with those who make a living of the social welfare.

In the meanwhile there's no money for teachers, nurses or the disabled.