News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


You haven't answered my questions. Would you like to try again?


We are not talking about rape. We are talking about consensual sex which consist of 99,9% of the cases that ends with pregnancy. Do you want to sidestep the issue and talk about exceptions?


Nah, that baby lived for a few days according to you. In a sense we are all basically dead as we all going to die - should we all commit suicide just to spare ourselves and others the bother?


Evidently you don't know what cruelty is. Sadness, loss, mortality those are natural feelings and occurrences in human life.


That is a lie.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


Not if you agree that we're talking about a life that woman carry in her womb. You can of curse be unreasonable and claim contrary as jon does (which is obviously a bull) and in that case we would agree to disagree.

If however you'll agree with me that it is a life than the right of ownership doesn't venture there. There is noting else that gives the right to women to terminate it.


No, you're not. People are not lone islands and live in a society, men and women differ but came together to form a family where they have an equal say on all matters that pertain to them.

Exceptions are just exceptions and we are not talking about them.
If we would apply your logic (pseudo-logic) we would need to dissolve all responsibility of men for their offspring's welfare, meaning they wouldn't have to pay for them or contribute to a medical care for women or their (benefits if there are such in a country).

Women would be soon banned from talking about men issues, have a say in a war ( as chiefly men are fighting), that would transform society into some kind of strange sectarian camp with gender as a dividing line.

I don't see such a society surviving for long without turning into a large totalitarian utopia with the state as a sole ruler, not to mention that it all goes against human nature to care and nurture for their offspring and that goes both for men and women.


So if somebody after accident is strapped to life support apparatus and couldn't survive without it - should we just automatically turn off the switch? Should be a baby (who cannot survive on its own without adult care) be killed at will and whim? Should all mentality patients unable to survive without care on their own terminated?

I'm asking you valid questions here.


Nobody is forcing you to became pregnant. You can exr4cise as much freedom to chose as you want.


I'm not going around or telling you to became pregnant! What are you on about?


No, demanding the right to make an arbitrary decision about life and dead based on the right of ownership that is a cruelty.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


If its a life than there is no place for a woman or a man to choose. They had their time when they could make different choices but at the point is too late. It is only a question of facing up to the consequences of choices they have made.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


Roz as much as I'm flattered that you think otherwise I cannot read your mind. Please say what you want to say. Don't expect me to guess what you meant..


It is some kind of convoluted sexism that escape logic and reason but I let it be as it going to be remain a fantasy anyhow. You could start it as a separate thread though. Lets us focus on the issue debated. Do you have anything to say on the subject other then tell men that they should shut up and don't talk about it?


Well, you're wrong but fair enough. So let agree to disagree.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]

You can always find some exceptions.,


Come on admit its a life.


I don't know, I have no researched polls among doctors on the issue at the time. I might be wrong or right about this but its still be immaterial to the issue debated and to the argument I'm making here.

Instead of picking on straws lets go back to the main issue and to my argument that refuted your claim about doctors.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


Are you claiming that a cluster of cells is dead? Some sort of zombies? Sure thing its a life.


California, Germany.....not that it matters as I have pointed out that - "you confuse justification of an opinion and its acceptance by a certain group of people (allegedly doctors in this case)."


I'm all ears.


You are confusing issues here. There is no correlation between men that are irresponsible and don't care about their children and those who are against abortion. I would think - not treating men as somehow a mindless dick wearing mass of blobs - that those two kinds of men are mutually exclusive. It would stand to reason that those men that don't give fig about their children don't care about abortion either.

Also the fact that its is easer for a man to be absolved from any responsibility for children than women doesn't suggest directly or indirectly that abortion is justified. That line of reasoning would lead us to justification of a murder if that would be beneficial to a murderer.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


A person or a body can live without a toe, you're talking about terminating life.


There was a time when overwhelming majority of doctors agree that people with low IQ or some genetically inherited disorders need to be sterilized.
Anyway the last argument is fallacious if true - you confuse justification of that opinion and its acceptance by a certain group of people (allegedly doctors in this case).


Lets not talk about religious person nor about writings of St. Augustine. Let focus on the subject debated. I didn't bring region or religious beliefs into this argument and there is no reason for you (an atheist) to do so.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


Everyone can make a mistake, the real test of intelligence and decency is to admit that you have made a mistake.


I don't need anyone opinion, I base mu view on facts.


Sometimes we all need to make a hard choice but the hardness of a choice is not an indication if it is the right one.


I don't think that sexism has anything to do with the issue.


If it is not a "good" thing why would you condone it in the first place?

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


But its alive, nobody have the right to dispose it just because its convenient.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


It is opinion of decent and intelligent people. Its very simple either you're for life or against it.

News / Monthly Smolensk Commemorations in Poland! [34]

Seems that is some kind of hoax to stir the water. All that is so far an unconfirmed rumor by the GW know for spreading false info in the past and mayor of the city that is clearly part of the bad looser club - PO.


That is the purpose of this exercise.

News / Poland leads in child well-being -- UNICEF [75]


You have made a few good points. However all issues in a population have their social, economical and political dimensions. I'm focusing more on the last one.

Also comparing Poland to UK is pointless as poverty doesn't mean the same in both countries.


I think that cultural problems are nonissue here. It is rather unemployment and lack of perspective and prospects. Topped by the wrong approach by the government that either ignore it or thinks that throwing some money on them will solve it.

The major problem is no general consensus as to what direction Poland should take.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


You're saying it as if was a bad thing. After all it doesn't matter whether or not that was a religious demonstration All that matters is a fact that they're standing up for the right thing. After all defending the right to life is ultimately a good thing to do. You're not an evil person jon so you should support it.

News / Poland leads in child well-being -- UNICEF [75]


That is not looking at the real problem but victim blaming as those patents in the overwhelming majority are also victims of their circumstances.


Sure survival of the fittest and those fittest took it all from taxpayers. Hardly a level playing field.


At last it is a start.

News / Poland marching for life and family [132]


Indeed. That fact says more than all those people who claim that KOD enjoy substantial support in Poland. Nah!


You and your dog too. So shoo!


What kind of argument is that? Are you a bad person jon?

News / Poland leads in child well-being -- UNICEF [75]


I know and as always I used this opportunity to ask a question that begged to be asked.


Nothing is that simple as it seems as a rule but there is a correlation and those question need to asked and answered by those who claim that PO government for the last eight years has been a great success and prosperity for all.

I can agree that could have been unprecedented prosperity for some but in terms of the general population in Poland things during the PO rule has gone wrong or at the least not better.


Yes, to be honest to be certain it would require a study and evidence. Hoverer I think we can safely venture a judgment that at the very least nothing has been done to improve implorable, disgraceful and appealing circumstances of nearly million children in Poland. That says a volume about such a government that neglects its duty towards children - don't you agree?

News / Poland's Sejm passes anti-terrorist act; opposition negate [86]


All the time.
Seriously though one has to wonder has your been infected by his germs hence you're repeating verbatim his rubbish arguments or have you imported those from Syria.


Sure, I don't know you but seeing the way you arguing here and your stance I doubt that very much.


Should have more sense coaming from a real regime into troubled but nonetheless democratic country and distinguish between an authoritarian regime of his home country and a democratically elected one with ease.


You voiced historical scaremongering common to those who are on the opposite spectrum of politicks in Poland, namely those who lost the last election and cannot get over it. I'm guessing that you simply took their spin on things and their malarkey for the real McCoy.

If there were a real threat to the considerable freedoms in Poland I would be first to rise my voice against it. As it is there is no such a threat, even thought that overtly government in Poland is too big but it is a common European malady.


So what? Some anonymous voice on the internet? So what? That is a democracy anybody can have his or her say. That doesn't equal with government's policy.

I think that is a good opportunity to ask few valid (this time) concerns that are based in reality not some feelings.
I mean what is a purpose of those demonstrations? Those sizeable gatherings are indeed and in a way a threat to the security.
What more in order to police those demonstrations Polish taxpayer is paying a lump sum of money.

News / Poland's Sejm passes anti-terrorist act; opposition negate [86]


That's delphinine and others almost verbatim. You sure you're not kissing and all? On the other hand being from Syria and a Muslim you have the right of it of being concern about those laws - to some extend at least.

On the other hand those laws are pretty standard nowadays elsewhere and have been long way in waiting to be introduced in Poland.
Scaremongering by certain bad losers are just that a pure malarkey.

News / Poland leads in child well-being -- UNICEF [75]


So, what happened from 2009 to 2013 that according to the UNICEF report that significantly worsened condition of children in Poland? Would that be a coincidence that worsening of circumstances of children in Poland in those years correspondents closely with allegedly beneficial rule of the PO government ? I think not!

It is pretty certain that we got ourselves proof in a form of the UNICEF reports that PO's time in power was anything but beneficial to the general population of Poland.

News / Poland's Sejm passes anti-terrorist act; opposition negate [86]


Your concern is laughable in the light of the reality. I can only guess that due to delph influence you are on a friendly terms with a certain circles in Poland that are not very representative of the whole. If you mistake they politically motivated hysteria for a real concern you might get that impression.

Basic draft for that act has been written by the PO wile in charge. So its rather hypocritical for them to claim that the act is bad. What they wanted use it for then?

Talking about regime in the context of democratically elected government is a folly, its is silly, and has nothing to do with reality. #
I would think that someone who calls from Syria would be able to spot a difference but obviously you proved me wrong.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Will you stop lying delph, after all you are leftie and they are evil but if you think that you Goebbels propaganda has any effect you are wrong.

News / Poland may take the EU to court if they step up pressure -- Kaczyński [89]


Oh here we go again, the last resort of your kind to offend, you need to do much better than that.


Says a person who understand his country and who knows the lingo intimately. Your immature - you are not living here so you don't know - doesn't applaud to the general mood of a country. its 21st century not 18th.


Really? What do you contribute? Subjective opinions, biased outlook and immature attitude? phew!
You actually could learn something from me if not for your - know it all stance.


I think it is the worse description of what really goes on I have seen for a long time. Biased like hell too.

Poland is defending her interests and is looking for allies where she can. The EU Commission has overstepped their authority a big time and need to be cut to size. In this kind of EU, the kind that dictate and bully how and what Poles should do in their own country's internal affairs - Poland is better of out of it!

News / Letter from the UN to Poland to Promote Abortions and End Traditional Family [37]


In fact quite the opposite. check up that poll, oh forgot you cannot read Polish - bummer!

News / Poland may take the EU to court if they step up pressure -- Kaczyński [89]


Really? How juvenile. I remember that 'fixing' to be an offence declared by the mods on PF. I guess things changed.


You would say that would you? I wouldn't expect you to recognize that things I say that make no sense to you due to the fact of your limited capacity to understand i.e. your dimness.


My..no need for or that rudeness and vulgarity here. I would say that our little exchange has as much sense as whatever you think you have to say on the topic. which amounts to winging boo PiS is bad boo, that all doing it all wrong, blah blah ....when in fact your only reason for bashing PiS is that fact that you are a radical neo-Marxist sheeply and your bleating is based in your ideologically biased outlook rather than on anything that is happening in the real world.

So I'm telling you that the majority of the public in Poland don't share your opinion and your bias. All they want is a government that actually start solving real problems, ah and by the real problems I don't mean your and your kind usual ideological bleating.

News / Poland may take the EU to court if they step up pressure -- Kaczyński [89]


Yes, I'm talking to you, you're dim and I'm trying to keep it simple for you. Too often things I said went over your head.


You're dreaming, so far PiS has a solid support of people in Poland, plus there is no force that could be considered a serious threat to their rule.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Yes, like your source that 9 out of 10 provides erroneous, false or inaccurate info. Why do you even post? To annoy Polonius?

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Well, delph before I'm going to read few posts here, I need to ask you a question - do you know that that the number of people on KOD plus PO plus Nowczesna demonstration some time past in Warsaw the same that allegedly gathered 240 000 people in fact gathered only 54 000 people.

You were amendment with 240 000 as a factual number. Did you lie or you have no clue about Poland? Which one is it? Fess up!

News / Poland may take the EU to court if they step up pressure -- Kaczyński [89]


Sonny, somewhat lacking is an expression that describe you to the core. You evidently have no clue .....and you won't believe anything to the contrary. Ignorance is a bliss.


To work, you Harry on the other hand are well aware that you just lie about people you perceive as your ideological enemies. That low but that is the way with you neo-Marxists. One day all those lies will came back to you and your ilk to bite you in YOUR backside.

Travel / Air Gun Club in Warsaw [3]

You can buy an air gun without problem and without permit. Doubt there are any air guns ranges but then you can find a plenty of places you can shoot regular guns.

History / Poles the biggest hypocrites in the world [35]


Nah, 300 years earlier we send your Muslim asses running , crying like a little girls after we whipped your ass. You got your history wrong or you confused nations.


Poles don't hate Islam but they think it doesn't belong in Poland. Simple.