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Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

If you are German and move to Poland you can attend to German-speaking school that is funded by Polish government.

That's not the same....they still have to learn polish as the main language as polish is the lone official language.
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

so where do you see of those Germans (you sure Germans not Germanics?) between 600-1200 in Silesia??

Don't be shocked now - still there!

Germanics deserted those territories. You really are full of crap or German history education is much worse than I expected. You never heard about Vandals' epic journeys? or Goths'? etc.

When Poles emigrate in masses to the US, UK, Germany or elswhere...does that mean there are no Poles left in Poland???

You only wish these lands to be Deutsch rein to be not having to see yourself as the invader, the conqueror...nooooo Poles don't do something like that, they are preferable the victim! These lands had to be empty as the peacy Poles walked in!

You do the same with german Silesia...denying the german heritage and contribution in these lands...again the same old propaganda!

...sorry...there are others who know better!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Are you sure that if two million people (who have a job, pay taxes etc) disappearing out of the blue would have a good impact on German economy?

There are some more millions of Poles over the centuries...a name with "ski" and "itz" is quite common in Germany...it was a General Blaskowitz who led the invasion of Poland in 1939.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Blaskowitz

They are still not a native minority!

and not like 40 per cent? I don't know just ask

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1932

There was not a continuous Germanic presence for 2000 years, stop being full of crap. Pretty much everything east of Elbe was Slavic in V-IXth century, it's later on that Germanics started to reappear on those territories.

Of course...no Germans left at all!

And as the proud slavic/polish tribe looked around in the new land there were no towns, no villages, no people left in that squeaky new land...where people have lived for 3000 years already (not to mention the Celts).

Gawd, how stupid can one be! You really still believe all that propaganda, don't you!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

sorry what I have written are historical facts

No, you haven't!

Poles like to call these lands "re-gained"...and love it to picture it as Deutsch-rein as the slavic tribes emigrated west.

Sorry, it isn't and it wasn't!

There was a continious strong german presence for 2000 years, till about 1950 as the last German got forcefully expelled.
(Okay, there was yet another wave of refugees in the 80's)

for example you wouldn't call Goths Germans at all - they were much more closely related to Scandinavians

Umm...you know that all German tribes stem from Scandinavia, don't you!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

what do you mean by towns -

Inform yourself...that is off topic anyhow.

Anyhow, if Poles could claim minority rights then the Turks could do too...so forget about it!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Seriously, you've got some nerve.

More nerve than demanding minority rights for immigrant Poles in Germany??? Hardly!
If you don't like it leave...we won't expell you. You have always the choice!

PS: There is a reason most Jews hate Poland more than the Germans...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

there was no German presence there whatsover between about 600 and 1200 AD - and until 1600 Germans never formed even a significant minority in the area we are talking about

spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/bild-720513-137220.html

Look at that map...around 200 AD....all the little points are populated german towns where now is Poland.
German history in german territory for more than 1800 years! And you Poles want to have minority rights in Germany? Ridiculous...
Change the borders back and we can talk again...

So cut your anti-german crap! Denying the german history in those lands together with ethnical cleansing and razing to the ground any trace of the german heritage cemented polish rule but please stop from repeating that commie/polish nationalist crap.

There is no need for it anymore...

Now this is hillarious. They voted for and further supported a political party that had genocide and imperialistic ambitions in its program,

1/3 ever voted for them in the last elections...can't we say also that 99% of the Poles had been firm communists for 40 years?

It's not as if Poles ever cared about Germans killing Jews, isn't it...
Quite to the contrary how many Poles are glad that they are now such a homogenous country, barely any Jews, Germans, Ukrainians and whatever left...no complaints, congratulating themselves is more like it!

Come now, BB, you know what books I am referring to.

Nope...I have no idea!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Germans in upper Silesia on the break of centuries were also mostly immigrants - in cities like Gleiwitz - Gliwice, Koenigshuette (now Chorzów), Hindenburg(or whatever it was called before - now Zabrze), Beuthen- Bytom (before Beuthen and now) -

The history of Germans in these lands goes back for 2000 years...that's native, Slavs were late comer!

Tell me about the number of Germans immigrating into Poland, ever...now compare that with the masses of Poles wandering west over the centuries!

Says it all, really....

BB, you can't deny that German literature glorifies the German spirit in a big way.

I'm not denying anything but I would like to read such stuff myself... :)
As a german nationalist I can't get enough of it!!! :):):)

Do you have some links please?
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Why not just let the Poles in Gemany have the same minority rights like the Germans got in Poland?

Dude, did you read your threat actually?

Germans in Poland (what is left of them after the mass expulsions) are natives, the borders of new Poland were shifted over their heads and against their will. No minority rights for them for most of the last 50 years of course...

Poles in Germany are immigrants...like Turks...

Their literature glorifies them and they suck it all up

?

:)

???
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

You mean you want to give us back Berlin and all the old Slavic lands as far as the Elbe river?
Naaaah - you keep them, BB. As a token of eternal Polish-German friendship :)

Nah...take it...the native Germans might then stage uprisings for their independence and drive you out till Russia! :)

So, SAY NO TO NAZISM - RESTORE POLISH
MINORITY RIGHTS IN GERMANY! :-)

Restore the old pre-war borders and we have a deal! :)

But as usual, you Poles are all about taking and demanding only! Never giving...
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Not granted but restored.

Restore the old borders and you will get your minority rights! :)

All the things you mentioned were factors in creating a Polish minority in today's Germany.
Of course, we can argue like this forever, but at this point is seems like a waste of time,
so let's wait and see what will our governments agree to in the coming years.

So you Poles plan to nag about it in the future too?

Maybe we then should really immerse ourselves more in the ex-german lands...financing separatist organizations and so on, invest in pro-German activities etc, supporting a growing German minority....we can play this game too! *glares*
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

1772 - that's about 12 generations, isn't it? If those twelve generations are not enough to consider
a minority to be a native one, then how many is? 15? 17? 20?

What do you mean with that?

The partitions don't exist anymore...there is Poland now, Prussia don't exist anymore, german Silesia and Eastprussia is polish now...the Poles immigrated in masses into the Ruhrarea during the late 19th century....
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Anyway - I'm waiting impatiently how BB will explain why it is not OK to grant Poles in Germany
minority rights, whilst it is OK to grant the same rights to Sinti and Roma :-)

I apologize...that decision was surely made by the same lefty idiots who decided that every Aisha and Mohammed has the right of german citizenship and threw german ID's at everybody and their grandmom.

Not my decision and totally stupid one!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

OK... explain the Sinti and Roma minority rights in Germany. :-)

I don't think they have minority rights either...the only ones who claimed and got minority rights are the Danish of Schleswig Holstein and the Sorbs in the Lausitz.

For some reason Poles don't like the fact that hitlerite persecurions towards them are still continued.

Well...there is the door ----->
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

Oh, the laughable "Turkish argument" again. The immigrants from Ataturk's country are not from central Europe

Since when became the country of origin a reason to claim minority rights?

Polish minority doesn't want to have any
new rights granted, but only the old ones restored.

First restore german Silesia and East Prussia please! Pre-War borders!!!
Germany will surely then grant Poles minority rights, promised! :)

well, it does seem strange to be honest...

Just to drive the fact home....immigrants have no claim to minority rights, nowhere!

As I said - extremely strange attitude...

An annoyed reaction!

Poles and Germans were about to have a party about a good reason, 20 years of friendship treaty, but Poles couldn't help themselves again. Destroying a good event with unreasonable nagging and demands, THANK YOU!!!
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

What next....Turks? Turks have the same claim to minority rights as have Poles.

And you are asking those Poles to leave, because
they want their minority rights restored? That's right, not granted but RESTORED.

Well....sadly the borders have shifted compared to the times before the war. Then there had been many Poles
inside the Reich...but the Poles after the war made clear where the ethnical borders had to be.

There is nothing to restore...or?
Bratwurst Boy   
11 May 2011
News / Row over status of Poles in Germany sours relations [176]

I can see German being hesitant about giving Poles "minority" status.

Well, they are immigrants, not a native minority...

What about Poles walking over and offering polish language classes?

About "Ruhrpolen": /wiki/Ruhrpolen

...
Ruhrpolen ("Ruhr Poles") is a German umbrella term for Poles(including Silesians, Masurians[1] [2] [3], Kashubians)[4], who migrated to the rapidly-industrializing areas of the Ruhr Valley, mainly from former eastern territories of Germany (the Prussian provinces of Posen, (Upper) Silesia, and East and West Prussia.) This migration wave, known as the Ostflucht, began in the late 19th century, while the Ruhrpolen arrived around the 1870s.

"Ostflucht"- fleeing the East.
Masses of Poles immigrated into "mean, opressing" Prussia for economical reasons...still not a native minority.

*and there's a lot more to be said about the unjustice being done to Poles in Germany*

Oh crap! Why don't they just leave if they don't like it....

What a horrible country Germany is...as it was back then with Prussia, right? Well...the movements of Poles speak a different language!
Bratwurst Boy   
10 May 2011
News / Do Poles take Kaczynski seriously!? [199]

But it's completely up to them which laws they want to enforce

"Up to them" meaning "Do we want to sell stuff to EU countries or not"...yup!

The Swiss joined Schengen and has to follow all the rules it entails without having a say in what rules it should entail...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

...This led to the result that the Schengen States which are not EU members have few formally binding options to influence the shaping and evolution of the Schengen rules; their options are effectively reduced to agreeing with whatever is presented before them, or withdrawing from the agreement.

The advantage of being "out" is what exactly???

That Poland doesn't really have much of a say?

Regarding what?
The EU-parliaments head is a Pole, Poland already was ruling the EU during the 6 months rotation, they have the same voice in the commissions as every other member country...

They lack a say where exactly?
Bratwurst Boy   
10 May 2011
News / Do Poles take Kaczynski seriously!? [199]

It's probably not on offer. The EEA is also a pretty lousy deal - they have to pay quite a bit of cash to the EU every year (as I recall, Norway is paying nearly 1 billion Euro a year) in exchange for EEA membership, without any of the voting rights associated with the EU.

That's the same what many anti-EU Brits don't want to hear! ;)

They want out of the EU without accepting that many rules, laws, agreements etc. are today made within the frame work of the EU-members.
Going out just means you would have to follow these agreements without any chance to influence, have a say in them.
That will become even more frustrating and expensive...

Whereas many EU-commissions would agree much more easily on difficult topics where for example GB would drag their feet, use their power...so, it would be hardly a win situation for outsiders.

Something all governments recognize once they are in power, voting campaigns against "mean" EU or not. ;)

Norway or Swiss have to follow EU-laws in most part already (especially trading) without having a say...They don't live in a vacuum!
Bratwurst Boy   
8 May 2011
Life / Uptight Poles [262]

Slavs are reversed.

Isn't that a germanic stereotype?