UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


No, p3undone, I seriously doubt that many other people would jump to the same conclusions about my brief statements upon this thread as you have done, and my name is spelled Des Essientes, not Des Essenties. I know you are a moderator and thus probably immune from the suspensions meted out for misspelling posters' names, but you should try to set a good example nonetheless.


I said:


I meant this statement to apply not to just you, p3undone, but to the all the readers and participants upon this thread. I understand that "messed up" is often used merely as the equivalent of having made a mistake, but if you honestly believe that the phrase "messed up" doesn't also connote the sense of having made a mess then I really don't know what to tell you, because it is obvious. I am sorry if you thought I was singling you out for exaggerating the driver's offense. Those above claiming that he was "a jerk" and that he "got off easy" were being far more hyperbolic than you, but since the term "messed up" does imply a mess, and the driver hadn't really made a mess (unless you count this thread) I used your post as an example of exaggerating the driver's offense.


I was referring to everyone reading and posting upon the forum. I wrote:


I fail to see how this exhortation above is in anyway unclear regarding the fact that I am addressing the whole forum.
P3undone, I know that a lot of the posters on this forum try to make it about "one on one" fighting, but that is not what I am about, because that is what makes this forum a petty soap-opera about personalities rather than the issues and ideas that the threads are supposed to be about. If you think that you and I are in some sort of duel then you are mistaken.


I meant that this driver's agitated defiance towards the police, when he felt they were going to ruin his day, was in my opinion more manly, even with the tears, than the attitude of someone who'd fawningly thank the police for ruining his day. I only made this comparison because you'd written:


I felt you were being unfair towards the driver, but you have since graciously conceded that your statement, implying the driver's emasculation, was unneeded:


Well done. You've literally moderated.
(Perhaps you might adopt a more standard method of typing out your posts as well. Your current mode of presentation is rather difficult to read.)

Edit: I wrote the above before seeing your most recent post p3undone. Thank you for re-reading my posts and thank you for apologizing for jumping to conclusions about them.

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


No I wouldn't have. I agree that stopping on the shoulder is a mistake.


No, I don't "act" like that, nor did I say that. P3undone, why do you read these strange conclusions into my posts?


That is a biarre claim to make on a text-based discussion forum You should probably be more circumspect before you jump to ridiculous conclusions about the implications of what I've written, and you really needn't concern yourself with what I "don't actually have to say".


I think that metaphor is less than apt. Being parked on the side of the highway is hardly as sweet as a stolen confection. It seemed to me that he was worried about what the policemen, whose language he didn't understand, were going to do to him.


Fair enough, I suppose I have heard the term "lazy" used in this sense before.


Being parked isn't literally taking a shortcut. Perhaps you mean that he took a metaphorical shortcut to his dinner by deciding to have it on the highway shoulder. As for his getting caught, I wish he'd been able to drive away before the cops got to him, but at least the fine he had to pay wasn't very costly.

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


Rybnik chalking his actions up to "laziness" makes you sound like one of these uptight withered Protestant British types, besides which you don't really know if that is the truth, do you?


He didn't really squeal like a spoiled brat, but I do agree that watching anyone weep is rather bothersome. As for his suppossed lack of professionalism,are truck drivers' supposed to have no emotions? Is stoicism really comme il faut for that profession? I say cut the guy some slack.


P3undone, I suspect that you didn't really understand what I wrote. I was saying that people self-righteously condemning this driver's actions, and saying that "he got off easy", are acting like uptight authoritarian squares.


Again I think you should read what I wrote more clearly. I never claimed that he was treated brutally, savagely, or appallingly.


I would have said what same thing?

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


I agree.


Stopping on the side of the highway isn't really a mess. Don't exaggerate the magnitude of his offense. Let's not make the Polish discussion forum into a contest over who can be he most uptight authoritarian square. It would be un-Polish.


I don't know if you've ever been hungry and had your dinner interupted but I suspect that if some people, who weren't bacon, had interupted that hungry driver's repast he'd have told them where to go and maybe even showed them physyically, but the fact that they were coppers meant that he couldn't and so he wept out of frustration. Far from not "manning up" the truck driver expressed the angst we all feel in modern society when rude authority figures hassle us with impunity, because they have the apparatus of the state behind them. That driver is more of a man than meek conformists who bow down before authority and lick its boots like craven dogs.

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


That is a rather callous view. He stopped on the side of the road with several other trucks in a traffic jam. He was preparing his dinner because he was probably hungry when some British pigs came up to hassle him. He was as exasperated as any hungry person is whose meal is interupted by unwelcome intruders.


O.K.


^ If his Polishness has nothing to do with it then why do you feel the need to add this? You seem to be implying that defending an exasperated Polish truck driver is somehow unfavorable to Poland.

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]

It's the typical trollishness on this forum, Plastic, anyone who dares to criticize the British authorities has to weather a barrage of off-topic "it's worse in Poland" garbage.

UK, Ireland / Crying Polish truck driver on British roads is Internet hit [269]


Hear hear! The people on this forum that believe that speculative claims about how the driver would've been treated worse in Poland are relevant to this topic are being off-topic trolls. Unfortunately this off-topic garbage is all to common on this forum.

Language / Learn Polish or Russian [86]


Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" is about Lithuanian immigrants working at "Brown's Slaughterhouse" in Chicago's meat packing industry. The fictional slaughterhouse is not run by Polish-Americans in the novel, and it is based on the Amour & Company meat packing concern which was owned by Scottish-Americans. The only significant Polish character in "The Jungle" is the socialist Ostrinski.

News / SUNDAY WITHOUT MASS IN POLAND - Judaeo-leftist Wyborcza gloats [165]


People that are not willing to group Catholicism in with Christianity are unfortunately very widespread in the U.S.A. Many young Polonians have had an irritating experience in grade school when kids on the playground began talking about their religion, and they found that fundamentalist Protestant kids have been taught that Roman Catholics are not Christians. I doubt that very many Jewish children hold this misguided view though.

Off-Topic / I am Polish and I am offended. [52]

Aphrodisiac, since you've accussed me in this thread's O.P. of being a member of-


Would you care to back up your claim with some textual evidence? I read lots of stuff on this forum that doesn't jibe with the way I see Poland but most of it doesn't offend me.

You can't still really believe that my pointing out the fact that the Inuit find the term "Eskimo" offensive in the following thread: Do Polish People like Eskimos?

polishforums.com/off-topic-lounge-47/polish-people-like-eskimos-58615

Is an example of being-


The Inuit are not Polish and so I was right to write the following about your bizarre claim:


You then claimed that my pointing out the illogic of your claim was somehow making-


When I then pointed out to you the fact that I had not denigrated your person, but rather your opinion, you then claimed-


The moderators obviously disagreed with your interpretation of the forum's rules because the post you reported remains in the thread. Did your failure to have me disciplined in the exchange recounted above have anything to do with your creating this strange thread? I suspect that it did.

Off-Topic / I am Polish and I am offended. [52]


I am of Polish descent and I think you, jasondmzk, are a myopic Alabaman cracker whose attempts at humor are ever so lame.

Language / Birthday wishes / jokes in Polish? [9]

My grandmother is turning 93 this year and she recently told me that, given the many years in her age, she was considering rounding it down and celebrating her 90th birthday over again this year, and I told her that she shouldn't do this because we've been singing the traditional Polish birthday song, stolat, to her all these years and, since the song expresses the wish that she live to be 100, it would be foolish to set herself back another three more years. Perhaps you could joke with your grandfather in this vein and tell him that if he keeps on trucking you're going to have to change the lyrics to stolat or find another birthday song altogether and that this inconveniences you.

UK, Ireland / Why would anyone kill himself? Polish guy kills himself in Ireland [16]


Not always Patrycja.


archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/60/9/868

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History / Kosciuszko Squadron - why don't they bring it back? [45]

Kosciusko, from Poland renown for having the best cavalry strategy in all of Europe, came to America and trained the Revolutionary Cavalry in battle tactics, and led them into the fray, eventually dying on the field at Saratoga whereupon his friend, named Cooper, vowed to repay the service that the noble Pole had done for the nascent American republic. This vow was fulfilled by Cooper's great-great-grandson when he traveled to Poland and trained the first Polish air squadron which battled the Soviets in the war that followed hard upon the naissance of the Second Polish Republic. This very interesting example of historical symmetry (if that is the right word for it) has been discussed on this forum before:

Polish anniversaries throughout the year (with limitations)
polishforums.com/history-poland-34/polish-anniversaries-throughout-year-limitations-54105

It would certainly make a great Hollywood movie, but will Hollywood ever make it? Since it seems that Hollywood sees Poland solely as a place to recruit cinematographers for its blockbusters, and as the set for Holocaust films, I have my doubts that the proposed film will ever be produced.

Correction: The post above should start with the name of Pulaski, not Kosciusko, the former was the general who trained and led the Revolutonary Calvary before dying at the Battle of Saratoga. The latter also fought in the Revolutionary War and was responsible for directing the fortification of Saratoga and West Point.

Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]


I am indeed guilty of possessing with a bodily form akin to the cypress tree, but I am not mentally coniferous. I fear your recommendation is all for naught, but thanks for the concern anyway.

Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]


The Polish ability to drink is not a shortcoming. Being a virile partier is greatly appreciated amongst people who know how to live life to the fullest. "Be Drunk Always!" The fact that you find a Pole whose finally flown away into that grand sleep of blessed holy oblivion in which one has abandoned all cares, after a day's (or a week's!) revealing, shows that you, F-Stop, are uptight not I. On the subject of unrestricted urination, which you have now brought into yet another thread, please see our previous discussion:

The Tao in Poland
polishforums.com/society-culture-38/tao-poland-53631

Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]


Fringxx, there are a couple posts on this thread already that explain why, in an American context, if not necessarily shame but rather more irritation with one's Polish roots may be felt by Polonians in the U.S.A.



Simply put, children with Polish ancestry in the U.S.A. when they reveal the fact that they are of Polish ancestry, to someone who'se asked about their ancestry, very often find that the questioner will snicker, or even say something rude to them, because in the U.S.A. Polish people have been stereotyped and ridiculed as stupid. Children are often very sensitive about being teased, especially with regards to their inteligence, and so having to admit that one is of Polish extraction is burdensome to them. This is because of "Polish jokes" which, despite having become far less prevalent in America over the past couple decades, are still remembered.


^ This is untrue. The largest influx of Polish immigration into America occurred at the end of the 19th Century and there are many areas, in addition to Chicago, that have large Polish enclaves.


^ This is untrue. The Irish were already coming to America in large numbers in the mid-19th Century, before either the Poles or the Italians, nor do ethnic jokes in America switch from one ethnicity to another in the manner claimed. Polish, Italian, Irish, and Mexican jokes exist, and have existed, concurrently here.


^ This is untrue. Polish people have been well represented in American professional sports for over a century.


F-Stop I think your selective pride is rather uptight and afflicted with the unfortunate over-valorization of science that is so common amongst Americans in this day and age. That inebriated Pole could be a great artist, and even if he isn't, why not be proud of his prowess as a tippler?

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]


F-Stop if your links were intended to make a case for those figurines being an example of this thread's titular "ancient racism" then you posted the wrong ones. From the first one you linked to:


raedwald.blogspot.com/2012/03/eastern-sore-spots-1.html

All the links explain these figurines as traditional Polish folk art. Would you say a sculpture of a Pole farming "stereotypes" all Poles as peasants? Jewish moneylenders were a part of Poland for centuries. Those figurines were not carved out of malice and your bringing them into this thread was foolish.

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]


Is this necessarily negative stereotyping? These dolls are nostalgic and they may even evoke cheerful memories. As Schopehauer wrote:


The World as Will and Representation, Volume II, Chapter XXX

Life / Multiracial Poles [154]


and since Neanderthals were confined to solely Europe, it may mean that, in the distant past, beautiful Southeast-Asian women traveled thousands of miles Westward, in order to have sex with hideous European males, in an astoundlingly contradistinctive reversal of the sex tourism of today!

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people importing a new wave of ancient racism into the UK? [402]


^ This statement is absurd. Pennboy, are you are aware that no humans on Earth, save for a few albinos, are really "white"? There is no "white" race. There is only one race: the human race:

Life / Multiracial Poles [154]

Maggie Q: Polish, Irish, Vietnamese, and sans brassiere!

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Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]


I wish I could get at the writer. I would totally punch his lights out up for such a biased portrayal.

Language / "żółwik" - the same word?? [55]


Goethe in his study of Ancient Greek sources famously discovered that they had no word for the color blue. When Homer sang of the sea he called it wine colored. Anthropological research has now revealed that terms for colors seem to follow the same pattern of progressive diversification worldwide, regardless of the terrain inhabited, The order of linguistic color differentiaton ascribes words to black and white first and then to red and then to yellow and then to green and then finally to blue. Blue is always the last color to receive its own word when it becomes linguistically differentiated from green or black.

History / Wrocław's Train Station: Not A Happy Place. [39]


No, you have shown though your posts on this forum that you do not really understand Poles, because you are too small minded to be able to understand the grand Polish way. Too bad for you. Maybe if you'd studied harder you'd be capable of understanding the Polish spirit, but, then again, maybe you just don't have the innate intelligence required.

History / Wrocław's Train Station: Not A Happy Place. [39]


Are you saying that Zbigniew Cybulski's acting is stupid? Have you actually seen any of the films Zbigniew Cybulski appeared in?


You clearly do not understand Polish people, delphiandomine, Polish people are smart enough to understand that noble struggles for freedom are worthy of celebration even if they fail to succeed. How sad for you to be living in Poland amidst people too intelligent for you to comprehend.

History / Wrocław's Train Station: Not A Happy Place. [39]


Zbigniew Cybulski, who did live dangerously, deserves to be remembered for his art and he is rightfully commemorated at Wrocław's train station.


You suppose stupidly.

History / Wrocław's Train Station: Not A Happy Place. [39]


It is not "odd" that Poles would put up a plaque commemorating Zbigniew Cybulski because he was the star of some of Poland's most beloved films. He starred in both Ashes and Diamonds as well as The Saragossa Manuscript. The former is one of very few Polish movies that I have seen shown on American television and Cybulski was so incredibly cool in it that it leaves no doubt as to why Poles, a people not adverse to stylishness, would love this actor. The Saragossa Manuscript is the cinematic adaptation of the classic Gothic tales found in the incredible Jan Potocki's Manuscript Found at Saragossa and the film is renown, the world over, amongst cinemaphiles as a masterpiece. Luis Brunel himself, who before seeing The Saragossa Manuscript, had never wanted to watch a film twice, wanted to watch the film again immediately.

Yes Cybulski acted recklessly but that is because he was a reckless person. Like a noble Pole he lived dangerously and he truly deserves to be remembered.

Life / Polish Werewolves [30]

No it was Herodotus


gutenberg.org/files/2707/2707-h/book4.htm

Sabine Baring-Gould notes in his book on werewolves that of all the countries of europe had folktales about werewolves except for England because the Saxon kings paid bounties on wolves and thus exterminated them all. No wolves = no werewolf legends.

wolfcountry.net/ebooks/Sabine_Baring-Gould/The_Book_of_Were-Wolves/bofww10.pdf

Life / Polish Werewolves [30]


Herodotus is the Greek father of History predating the Roman Ovid by centuries.