jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Hi Mate, you've misquoted me.
Good point though.
Hi Mate, you've misquoted me.
Good point though.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Millions of people round the world live in blocks without being hooligans. Most people who live in blocks here in Poland are perfectly normal.
There's nothing fishy about the timing - it's very topical due to the Euros. Just a shame that a certain type of poster on here thinks that a) the media should only show things about Poland that reflect a Polish point of view and b) that criticising one group of people in Poland somehow reflects badly on all of them.
minute 21.30 says it all..
BLOCKS..
With so many people forced to live in such inhumane cages, is it any
BLOCKS..
With so many people forced to live in such inhumane cages, is it any
Millions of people round the world live in blocks without being hooligans. Most people who live in blocks here in Poland are perfectly normal.
There's nothing fishy about the timing - it's very topical due to the Euros. Just a shame that a certain type of poster on here thinks that a) the media should only show things about Poland that reflect a Polish point of view and b) that criticising one group of people in Poland somehow reflects badly on all of them.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Nothing about Yugoslavia, but it looks like the Czech Republic and Austria were transposed on their graphics. Quite funny really. On the whole a good documentary. I wonder why he said £ódź was the size of Birmingham though.
I wouldn't think any diehard fans would be deterred by it, and according to travel agents in the UK, there don't seem to be that many prepared to make the journey to the Ukraine.
Having just watched it, it seems quite balanced. Poland comes out of it better than the Ukraine. They interviewed anti-racism campaigners and showed actual footage of some of the Euro 2012 stewards training about this. And what was said in the training is quite true. If they don't Report something bad, a journalist will.
Contrary to some of the claims on here they did actually interview police; the chief of police in Kharkiv even.
Nothing about Yugoslavia, but it looks like the Czech Republic and Austria were transposed on their graphics. Quite funny really. On the whole a good documentary. I wonder why he said £ódź was the size of Birmingham though.
I wouldn't think any diehard fans would be deterred by it, and according to travel agents in the UK, there don't seem to be that many prepared to make the journey to the Ukraine.
Having just watched it, it seems quite balanced. Poland comes out of it better than the Ukraine. They interviewed anti-racism campaigners and showed actual footage of some of the Euro 2012 stewards training about this. And what was said in the training is quite true. If they don't Report something bad, a journalist will.
Contrary to some of the claims on here they did actually interview police; the chief of police in Kharkiv even.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Nothing about Yugoslavia, but it looks like the Czech Republic and Austria were transposed on their graphics. Quite funny really. On the whole a good documentary, if a little over dramatic. I wonder why he said £ódź was the size of Birmingham though.
I wouldn't think any diehard fans would be deterred by it, and according to travel agents in the UK, there don't seem to be that many prepared to make the journey to the Ukraine.
Nothing about Yugoslavia, but it looks like the Czech Republic and Austria were transposed on their graphics. Quite funny really. On the whole a good documentary, if a little over dramatic. I wonder why he said £ódź was the size of Birmingham though.
I wouldn't think any diehard fans would be deterred by it, and according to travel agents in the UK, there don't seem to be that many prepared to make the journey to the Ukraine.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
The timing is because the Euro2012 is about to be held in Poland and the UkraiSandoval football he is a hot topic and the lack of international matches is because there weren't any over the last 3 months while the cameras were there.
The Austria and Yugoslavia thing is weird. Did they actually say there there were land borders between them and Poland & Ukraine or did they use another phrase?
As for bias, Panorama has never pretended to present every point of view, but it is however professional. Though if they really did say that Poland has borders with Austria and Yugoslavia they should brush up their skills a bit. Has it been shown in Poland? I was talking with some people today who were saying how dreadful it was, but none of them had actually watched it.
just find timing strange,plus why didn't they show any international matches just local teams,
The timing is because the Euro2012 is about to be held in Poland and the UkraiSandoval football he is a hot topic and the lack of international matches is because there weren't any over the last 3 months while the cameras were there.
The Austria and Yugoslavia thing is weird. Did they actually say there there were land borders between them and Poland & Ukraine or did they use another phrase?
As for bias, Panorama has never pretended to present every point of view, but it is however professional. Though if they really did say that Poland has borders with Austria and Yugoslavia they should brush up their skills a bit. Has it been shown in Poland? I was talking with some people today who were saying how dreadful it was, but none of them had actually watched it.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Scousers are a rule unto themselves, and the British as a whole aren't responsible for them. Interesting you've mentioned Heysel. As I remember, UEFA came down like a ton of bricks on Liverpool FC.
Scousers are a rule unto themselves, and the British as a whole aren't responsible for them. Interesting you've mentioned Heysel. As I remember, UEFA came down like a ton of bricks on Liverpool FC.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
so behind the back then, avoiding issues like hooliganism and pretending there's no issue. Just as long as it looks ok to outsiders, that is.
Pretty well true. The only worry is that the policing will be too heavy, especially if there are any signs of trouble. I suspect that anythings that's likely to happen will happen in the Ukraine.
they just don't do it in your face.
so behind the back then, avoiding issues like hooliganism and pretending there's no issue. Just as long as it looks ok to outsiders, that is.
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Pretty well true. The only worry is that the policing will be too heavy, especially if there are any signs of trouble. I suspect that anythings that's likely to happen will happen in the Ukraine.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Personally no. I've said a few times now that the police (in Poland anyway) will do anything They can to stop trouble happening against visiting supporters. Hopefully the worst we'll see is trouble between hooligans and the police. Unfortunately that will make the main news bulletins around Europe if they don't manage to contain any trouble very carefully indeed. I doubt there'll be too many people coming who aren't white. After all, it isn't the world cup.
Personally no. I've said a few times now that the police (in Poland anyway) will do anything They can to stop trouble happening against visiting supporters. Hopefully the worst we'll see is trouble between hooligans and the police. Unfortunately that will make the main news bulletins around Europe if they don't manage to contain any trouble very carefully indeed. I doubt there'll be too many people coming who aren't white. After all, it isn't the world cup.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Strange that you should admit it here, but good luck to you in your endeavours, anyway.
Nevertheless, I don't see what that has to do with the hooligan problem in Poland and the Ukraine which has been left largely unaddressed despite a major tournament being held here soon.
I'm a job stealer and parasite to your benefit system.
Strange that you should admit it here, but good luck to you in your endeavours, anyway.
Nevertheless, I don't see what that has to do with the hooligan problem in Poland and the Ukraine which has been left largely unaddressed despite a major tournament being held here soon.
jon357
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
That's for her as minister to decide. One thing is certain. Just giving a press confence to the Polish media is slightly less than doing nothing. It wouldn't be so bad if she'd actually said what she intends to do, however I suspect she just doesn't know.
Very far from suspicious, the timing is actually very topical given the forthcoming Euros.
What do you want her to do
That's for her as minister to decide. One thing is certain. Just giving a press confence to the Polish media is slightly less than doing nothing. It wouldn't be so bad if she'd actually said what she intends to do, however I suspect she just doesn't know.
Besides timing of this documentary is suspicious.
Very far from suspicious, the timing is actually very topical given the forthcoming Euros.
jon357
31 May 2012
Life / A new Poland's war - the poor vs the rich [81]
Next revolution? No. There needs to be another set of conditions like that. In any volition there are winners and losers, however as far as the Russian revolution was concerned, the living standards of the poor were so appalling beforehand that anything was an improvement. At least the peasants got glass in their windows and a chance to be literate.
Next revolution? No. There needs to be another set of conditions like that. In any volition there are winners and losers, however as far as the Russian revolution was concerned, the living standards of the poor were so appalling beforehand that anything was an improvement. At least the peasants got glass in their windows and a chance to be literate.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / A new Poland's war - the poor vs the rich [81]
Exactly. When the rich pay so much less tax in proportion to their income as the poor, when they have different access to healthcare, when social services and education budgets are constantly cut in a society where 'the poor' have a certain level of expectation, then conflict occurs. The class struggle is exactly as Marx defined it.
Exactly. When the rich pay so much less tax in proportion to their income as the poor, when they have different access to healthcare, when social services and education budgets are constantly cut in a society where 'the poor' have a certain level of expectation, then conflict occurs. The class struggle is exactly as Marx defined it.
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
The problem is that she hasn't addressed it. Just given a press conference after the problem was highlighted by the media.
The problem is that she hasn't addressed it. Just given a press conference after the problem was highlighted by the media.
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
And this is journalism. Coming from a respected and independent source with no point of view to propagate.
Exactly. Perhaps they'd only have been happy if the BBC had broadcast a tourist information film about Chopin's birthplace and Wieliczka.
there is journalism and journalism there is propaganda
And this is journalism. Coming from a respected and independent source with no point of view to propagate.
Talk about being on the defensive
Exactly. Perhaps they'd only have been happy if the BBC had broadcast a tourist information film about Chopin's birthplace and Wieliczka.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / Which services is Poland still waiting for? [218]
Being able to recharge a prepaid SIM card online without giving a Polish ID card number. A bugger to have to take your iPad down to the phone shop each time.
Laundrettes are not that common in the UK these days and who the hell cares if there's an manky drive through MacDonalds? There must be some REAL services that people want that dont have?
Being able to recharge a prepaid SIM card online without giving a Polish ID card number. A bugger to have to take your iPad down to the phone shop each time.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / Which services is Poland still waiting for? [218]
Try asking for real tea. A pot of hot water with a tea bag next to it isn't tea. The water has to be poured from the kettle on to the leaves or bag and left to brew for several minutes. Otherwise it's just coloured water.
Try asking for real tea. A pot of hot water with a tea bag next to it isn't tea. The water has to be poured from the kettle on to the leaves or bag and left to brew for several minutes. Otherwise it's just coloured water.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / Which services is Poland still waiting for? [218]
The MaccyD's by Kino Femina is open 24/7. And unlike a lot of places in PL that advertise 24/7 it doesn't seem to stop for an hour to update the tills.
The MaccyD's by Kino Femina is open 24/7. And unlike a lot of places in PL that advertise 24/7 it doesn't seem to stop for an hour to update the tills.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / Catholic "Telewizja Trwam" from Poland - your thoughts? [98]
So it was a 'personal opinion' when they were censured by KRRiT?
Not that personal opinions are out of place on a discussion forum...
So it was a 'personal opinion' when they were censured by KRRiT?
Not that personal opinions are out of place on a discussion forum...
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Perhaps you think that only unfailingly positive things should be said about Poland and that journalists should have to run any story by the Polish government and the Tourist office for permission to broadcast!
Perhaps you think that only unfailingly positive things should be said about Poland and that journalists should have to run any story by the Polish government and the Tourist office for permission to broadcast!
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
@ironside. No, there is no conspiracy, nothing was 'instigated' however there are genuine concerns. You might like to read what the European football organisers have said today. Very well reported, but perhaps you think that the media should only print things about Poland that are unfailingly positive.
@ironside. No, there is no conspiracy, nothing was 'instigated' however there are genuine concerns. You might like to read what the European football organisers have said today. Very well reported, but perhaps you think that the media should only print things about Poland that are unfailingly positive.
jon357
30 May 2012
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
The difference is that we actually deal with the issue, unlike Poland which has an ostrich mentality.
We in England are lucky we don't have the EDL or the BNP, or Blood & Honour........
The difference is that we actually deal with the issue, unlike Poland which has an ostrich mentality.
jon357
30 May 2012
Life / Which services is Poland still waiting for? [218]
Plenty of McDonalds and some KFC have drive through.
Plenty of McDonalds and some KFC have drive through.
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Anty-Polish v column is located in White House [88]
Just some mistake by a speechwriter. Nobody thinks Poland operated death camps, so why make a meal out of it? There are more important things in the world to worry about.
Just some mistake by a speechwriter. Nobody thinks Poland operated death camps, so why make a meal out of it? There are more important things in the world to worry about.
jon357
30 May 2012
Work / I will be in Wroclaw by October - getting employed while studying? [14]
500 euros is fine if you share a flat or live in student accommodation. Most Polish students have less.
500 euros is fine if you share a flat or live in student accommodation. Most Polish students have less.
jon357
30 May 2012
Language / Dwa vs. dwie in Polish [85]
There's a long thread here on it, but really the best way is just to relax and listen to what people say.
There's a long thread here on it, but really the best way is just to relax and listen to what people say.
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
That's the media for you. They always show the most extreme images and time it so it's as topical as possible. Unfortunately in a country like Poland whose population tend to be extremely sensitive about what people think of them it causes maximum irritation.
@RN's advice is pretty sensible. City centres should be fine, and heavily policed. The last thing the authorities want is scenes of bloodshed on the TV news around Europe and they'll go a very long way to make sure that doesn't happen. Dunno about Ukraine though.
That's the media for you. They always show the most extreme images and time it so it's as topical as possible. Unfortunately in a country like Poland whose population tend to be extremely sensitive about what people think of them it causes maximum irritation.
@RN's advice is pretty sensible. City centres should be fine, and heavily policed. The last thing the authorities want is scenes of bloodshed on the TV news around Europe and they'll go a very long way to make sure that doesn't happen. Dunno about Ukraine though.
jon357
30 May 2012
Travel / American visiting for Euros, will standard American plug on Apple MacBook laptop work? [5]
Yes, that one looks perfect. Please excuse the mass of text - I was trying to link to a picture and it was too late to edit out once I'd noticed. If you type 'European plug' into google images, you'll see the two round pins.
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Yes, that one looks perfect. Please excuse the mass of text - I was trying to link to a picture and it was too late to edit out once I'd noticed. If you type 'European plug' into google images, you'll see the two round pins.
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jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
It was a tram actually, and I've seen far, far worse over the years on public transport here in Warsaw, including extremely violent attacks, robbery, drunken fights and plenty of shouting matches. So yes, one would expect it more here than in the UK. Though what that mentally ill lady has to do with the dangers of hooliganism during Euro 2012 is very hard to see.
It was a tram actually, and I've seen far, far worse over the years on public transport here in Warsaw, including extremely violent attacks, robbery, drunken fights and plenty of shouting matches. So yes, one would expect it more here than in the UK. Though what that mentally ill lady has to do with the dangers of hooliganism during Euro 2012 is very hard to see.
jon357
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]
Is she a football hooligan?
Is she a football hooligan?