News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]

During the IRA bombings in the U.K. that is almost exactly what happened, only they didn't blow themselves up.

And if you want to talk about percentages, how many bombs were set off or attempted to be set off in the U.K. by Muslims? 3? and how many by Catholics? (including Guy Fawkes and the like)? I don't know but I'd guess dozens.

News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]


I didn't realise.


Where's Poland in imports in this one? :

Germany's Top Trading Partners and Export Goods

Edit*
I hate taking data from different sites, they might not even be talking about the same thing, is there a history of Germany's export/import partners somewhere?

News / Far-right party organizes 'pro-Polish' march in Silesia [20]


Check the history of the group doing it.

News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]


The banks are giving it.
I was asked the other day, by the bank manager, if I wanted to invest in a money lending company, I reclined.

Interesting post.


I don't follow this BB, Germany hardly exports to China?
Or do you mean German products made in China and exported from there?


It'll be a while yet and if the boom you are talking about happens, then it will be cheaper again, no?

News / Die Welt-Poland and Germany are the economic driving force of Europe [239]


Poland is still massively benefiting from the E.U.
And you will probably be happy to know that the banks are giving credit, not so easy to get mortgages but small credit it easy enough.

Off-Topic / Poland's babies still booming... [13]

Congratulations!

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


If your rhetoric to my argument is that it is too perfect, then I should really quit while I'm ahead :)


Thanks for the tip.

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


You have a clear lack of imagination if PF is the best you can dream up :D


I got one only, I will die.

Edit* I have no proof it will happen to me, I might be the exception? :)

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


What Fuzzy calls fact, I call theory, you call belief.

I think I understand what you are trying to say and I still have a problem with it.
The sun will probably rise tomorrow, we have no way of knowing that for 100% but for the past 4.5 billion years it has (both measurable and observable), so what's a day? well 4.5 billion years is comparatively nothing in the grand scheme of things, so we have a theory that the sun will rise tomorrow, that theory does not mean the sun will always rise (it probably won't) but for practical purposes we say it will.

Now google "how old is our earth?" and the first hit you get is all about creation, no really that is the name of the website. It's roughly based on the bible, no need for any annoying details, or thought, just one book.


Or is abandoned in search of a more realistic one, that is the very nature of a theory. That is why it is not a belief, if you can produce evidence to the contrary, it would either change the theory or disprove it that alone clearly sets it aside from God.

Life / I got beaten and kicks in my face just cuz i dont look polish [205]


I have lived here, on and off, for altogether 6 years and I have not had anything whatsoever harmful happen to me.
But like all news and events we only talk about the negative.
Like for all the people's horrible relationship threads on here, you never see threads about people being happily married to a Polish person simply because what would be the point? but if you get dumped by a Pole expect a 13 page thread, allowing every dimwit to vent their hateful views.

Just look at jarnowa and Southern, neither of them are Polish and yet they revel in a guy getting beaten up because they are scum.

USA, Canada / Think you're Polish (and live in the USA)? [161]


OMG, I must be Polish, I never knew, wait until my parents find out!


Do you still have Australian citizenship?

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


Hey, I quoted the same guy you did Popper, after he recanted the quote you posted telling us that it can be tested and is predictable.

I get the feeling we are having a philosophical debate, rather than a debate about ideas or a subject.
That philosophically we can say we are not real or don't even exist, until that Descartes came up with his, "I think therefore I am". Had he read the thoughtless posts by members of this website he might have drawn a different conclusion :)


Sounds to me like there is a twinge of regret in that ;)
I only joined because it sounded like, and to an extent still sounds like, you are putting the theory of Evolution on par with God.


You say it ain't so but I don't see anything to back that up.

I think one of the most important things in life is doubt. I think it is a very necessary faculty of the human mind because we have and continue to get so many things wrong, sometimes leading to death or worse.

If someone could disprove Evolution (I know you think they can't but I have posted several ways this could be done, care to discuss?), I would be fascinated and, with doubt, look in to it.


Agreed.

Love / Advice Please! Meeting my Polish boyfriend's parents!! Gifts, customs... [105]

Learn some polite phrases in Polish.

Travel / Snow in Zakopane in Summer? [13]

Hello DavidODwyer. And welcome to the Polish forums. Zakopane is 100KM south of Krakow, Auschwitz and the salt mines are not much further, so you can get buses there easily arranged through a tour operator. Good luck!

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]

If I may sum up your position, it is this:
Belief in a God and Evolution are equal becuase they are not falsafiable and therefore it does not fall in to the riggers of the scientific method of evaluation.

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


Or as payment for liberating the world of infidels during the crusades.

I get your point though, the church down the road is real, the Vatican, it exists and the Pope is elected but you can't say the same of belief in God.

If we could elect a God, who would you choose? :)


Why do you think it couldn't be disproved?
Evolution myths: Evolution cannot be disproved
newscientist.com/article/dn13675-evolution-myths-evolution-cannot-be-disproved.html

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

Gazeta Wyborcza lost 5% of their readers

Illiteracy and dyslexia on the rise.

Who was the cruel bugger who invented the word dyslexia? didn't she knwo who she was dealing with?

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


Are you able to say there are no honest politicians?
Go on, let's compromise, i will say there might be leprechauns ridding around on unicorns if you say there are no honest politicians :)


My next question was honestly, who is the dogmatic one who talks to you about evolution?
I would have guessed a professor but hey, you are your brother's keeper.


Double dogma :)
The Catholic church recognises evolution, they had their own investigators look in to it.

John Paul the second said:


Catholic Church and evolution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution#Pope_John_Paul_II

Your brother probably told you that already but I thought because of who the OP is, it was worth a mention.


I think it is like anything in this world, the subject, is most of the time, secondary to the teacher.
Evolution has spirit stirring qualities which might in some ways be what religious men feel when in deep prayer.
Like contemplating your relative size to the universe, there is something godlike in it.
I just find it more gratifying that there is evidence that it really could be how it all works.
But I would be equally fascinated, were someone to disprove it.

As for the book, you could just tell me the name or give it to me next time you're in Krakow over a pint :)

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


The theory of evolution.
Do you really call it the theory of God?

It's a great theory, does it make me a better person? do I wage war over it? does it make me money? does it explain everything? no

Could it be a step in the right direction for understanding our universe? yes it could.

I find this in stark contrast to religion, with it's dogma, power struggle and absolutism.
Religion does not seek to question itself. it can't by it's own nature, whereas science must.


Now I think I know where you are coming from but still I disagree.
Our understanding of evolution is not perfected maybe we can't ever fully understand it but it is growing.
There are perhaps too many variables for it to be predictable but I am sure something similar was imagined when we tried anything new, like harnessing fire.


Cart before the horse, Darwin didn't just have a notion and try to find things to back it up, neither has any serious investigator since.

The evidence led to the idea, think of it as a murder trial, a dead body is found and we uncover what happened, we didn't invent an idea of a dead body and then come up with some evidence to back it up.

Coincidently Darwin was not the only one who came to the theory because of the evidence, maybe it was just time for man (now that is a belief:)

In your own words:



I know you are read at least somewhat on this matter and you can't say that the theory of evolution was not ridiculed:



And scrutinised although I am very happy that it is scrutinised, perhaps you have been reading too much Dawkins (or perhaps I have:p)?

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


Nobody ever said it had to.


Of course it could be disproved but it hasn't been so far, there is a big difference.
GOD could just reveal himself and WHAM! :)
In fact the theory has itself evolved to such a state today that Darwin would perhaps not recognise it.
The fact that it hasn't been disproved is not a platform, that it is not a good theory, it could just be bringing us closer to the truth.


This makes no sense, it sounds like you have something specific in mind, do you?
Or maybe I am just not getting what you are saying?


Well that's ''standing on the shoulders of giants'' out the window.
We can build on some sort of foundation, even rip it apart and improve it.
Our computers would not exist if everything was looked at with a blank mind but then again it took someone to look at something observable to come up with one theory for the next generation of thought to come up with an extension of that theory or to completely wipe the old one out.

And as for people looking at evolution with a blank mind, I think we all do.


I agree, hence the word 'theory'.
And once a scientist has come up with a theory, they or most other scientists try their damnedest to disprove it.
But measurable, physical evidence in a court of law is a powerful persuasive tool, I would say much more persuasive than some old scrolls written by unknown authors and translated and edited so much that I doubt if anyone would recognise the original, talking about supernatural mumbo jumbo with no proof, relying on blind faith is nowhere near the same.


This is why I think you have something in particular in mind but lets continue anyway, lets take for example your Human vestigiality.
Your tailbone is the remnant of your lost tail.

One thing of interest is that we have, in some ways, conquered evolution but that is another day's argument :)

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


I am afraid the scientific method works almost the opposite of religion in this way.
Science, unlike religion, tries to find fault with it's ideas, understandings and so with our advancement in knowledge and understanding the books change that is why it is called the 'theory of evolution' not because it is a belief but because of the millions of separate pieces of evidence found that support the theory and the lack of evidence against it.


I agree to an extent but to believe you are a big purple dinosaur typing on this forum just because I can not prove you aren't, no evidence necessary, is nonsense.


You have more chance of finding leprechauns ridding around on unicorns than an honest politician :)


Hence the important word, 'Theory' when we talk about evolution.
Do you talk about the theory of God?
Science is not arrogant enough to talk in absolute terms, I am but good science isn't :)

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]

Yeah baby!
I was happily just reading through but then someone mentioned supernatural mumbo-jumbo on a par with evolution and well, you know the rest :p

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


You are missing one huge point that is evidence.
It is this evidence that led Darwin to this theory and since millions of more pieces to back it up.


Given that 'logic' it is equally logical to say there are leprechauns, unicorns and honest politicians as it is to say there are not.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

You are the one who mentioned racist, xenophobic and anti-semitic
views.... things that make you go hmmm? :)

News / Euro 2012: Budget cuts delay road construction in Poland [21]


I wholeheartedly agree, I would only add that embarrassment is not the real issue but Poland's economic future, to a large degree, depends on it's infrastructure.

I hope your figures are wrong, I saw this thread last night but I had nothing to add, still nothing but my opinion I suppose.

UK, Ireland / I worry about the Poles working in the UK [77]


Well most of my mates are from the country I have spent most my life and if they ever needed a hand and I was able, I would be willing and you can't say that so many people would be willing to help you personally, as a foreigner, without the shared history.

I get the sneaking suspicion I have somehow misunderstood your question.

You know what I mean though, there are jobs and pay I have worked for, outside of my own country, that I did not have to when I was living with my family and friends.

It's a question of survival and people who don't have to do crappy jobs won't.

UK, Ireland / I worry about the Poles working in the UK [77]


You are simply not trying hard enough.

It is a matter of fact that life in a recession is bad, perhaps more so in ways if you are a foreigner, without family or life long friends to fall back on.


Demi-mod?

UK, Ireland / I worry about the Poles working in the UK [77]


I thought that's why we called them tabloids?
Sensationalistic with small pages and the best ones have boobs :)


it is one of the many beauties of this forum, the lack of advertising and real agenda is great.


I hope the page three girls are suitably cold.


But we are all born sinners :D

UK, Ireland / I worry about the Poles working in the UK [77]


I should be so luck... no in Ireland years ago.

But apparently noone wants to hear about an Irish guy being stabbed in Ireland by other Irish guys (10 to 1 I might add).

I wasn't a foreigner or unemployed or gay or anything else that sells tabloids.


Are you in this tabloid thing too?

I mean the digs against Polish being exaggerated by tabloids used as right wing politics as a means to get in to power and no good comes of it?

All the while bankers pay themselves fat bonuses for letting their business get a bailout... politicians (left and right) not representing the people but their love of money...

UK, Ireland / I worry about the Poles working in the UK [77]


What type of attack do you envisage?


I think it depends on what your point is, I see people calling Poland racist on here all the time but I think most of the posters couldn't point to Poland on a map.

I am sure Mr.Bubbles could point Britain on a map but I think it carries meaning if he himself is British and looking inwards or a foreigner looking out.

But I still think the point of this thread is lost a bit.


Try to put it like a headline of a tabloid, then perhaps we will be able to understand it and rally around it with pitchforks and torches (pitchforks and torches will not be provided, bring your own)

If I try and make sense of it, I get "Right wing on the rise"?
I am sure that's on a tabloid somewhere :)