nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
I tried to hint on that. I was too subtle.
Not to mention the Lucrezia Borgia guide to being a Domestic Goddess...
I tried to hint on that. I was too subtle.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
As much as one JonnyM with an Italian trillion dollar economy. Short memory span? Eat more nuts. Buy yourself a golden fish, good for beginners.
So how does: nott: WW2 and its repercussions. ??
As much as one JonnyM with an Italian trillion dollar economy. Short memory span? Eat more nuts. Buy yourself a golden fish, good for beginners.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
And mafia...
It doesn't fit the topic. The bold red letters on the top of page.
Not to mention such advancement of humankind as fascism ...
And mafia...
Sixteenth and the mid-Twentieth Centuries too. But that doesn't fit your 'argument', does it...
It doesn't fit the topic. The bold red letters on the top of page.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Not a single successful 5-year plan, though. Suckers.
Um... maybe try and google WW2 and its repercussions. Should be a real eye-opener, man.
Edit:
Now you've beaten me. Nobody comes to Poland to dig in the post-war rubble. Not that there's much left now.
No, just a trillion dollar economy.
Not a single successful 5-year plan, though. Suckers.
Um... maybe try and google WW2 and its repercussions. Should be a real eye-opener, man.
Edit:
Y'know, all those people going to visit the physical legacy of the Renaissance.
Now you've beaten me. Nobody comes to Poland to dig in the post-war rubble. Not that there's much left now.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Right. And the Italians are still the cultural avant-guard, unmatched in 'dynamics' and painterly creativity, ever on the cutting edge of science and medicine. Poles suck, we all know that. Nice talking to you.
Just a shame they couldn't sustain it really, isn't it?
Right. And the Italians are still the cultural avant-guard, unmatched in 'dynamics' and painterly creativity, ever on the cutting edge of science and medicine. Poles suck, we all know that. Nice talking to you.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
JonnyM
Yes, I have.
Don't overestimate your influence on me. I did have some vague idea about what Renaissance was and where it begun even before you took so much effort to enlighten me. What I mean, from the beginning, is what I wrote in my previous posts. Please refer to them.
What I said was that there was no country like Poland in Europe, never. No European country enjoyed that long period of undisturbed development, with no real international issues, due to the locally unmatched political and economic power. No other country grew so big without conquest, by sheer cultural influence. Obviously, the influence was to the East, but anyway.
That's what we are proud of. Not of the development of arts and sciences by Italians et al. Capisci? Can you accept that? Or you prefer to remind me that it was not a Pole who discovered America.
JonnyM
You've partially summed up the Renaissance
Yes, I have.
- I'm glad you're slowly beginning to understand.
Don't overestimate your influence on me. I did have some vague idea about what Renaissance was and where it begun even before you took so much effort to enlighten me. What I mean, from the beginning, is what I wrote in my previous posts. Please refer to them.
What I said was that there was no country like Poland in Europe, never. No European country enjoyed that long period of undisturbed development, with no real international issues, due to the locally unmatched political and economic power. No other country grew so big without conquest, by sheer cultural influence. Obviously, the influence was to the East, but anyway.
That's what we are proud of. Not of the development of arts and sciences by Italians et al. Capisci? Can you accept that? Or you prefer to remind me that it was not a Pole who discovered America.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Right. Now try to understand what I wrote, already twice, and please react to that. Culture of painting fine portraits of local apparatchiks, done in the free moments between tidying up blood and brains from the floor, although unparalleled in Europe, does not impress me more than the culture of peaceful life. You prefer struggle for power, assassinations, poisonings, treachery, conquest, painting, and painting, I don't. Must be a cultural difference.
Anyway, find me in Europe anything similar to Renaissance Poland. Paralleled.
Edit: I got interrupted, sorry. I mean, a strong, wealthy country with no enemies considering serious invasion, and all neighbours yearning to marry any daughter of any Polish king, just to have this kind of a brother-in-law. In case of trouble.
Right. Now try to understand what I wrote, already twice, and please react to that. Culture of painting fine portraits of local apparatchiks, done in the free moments between tidying up blood and brains from the floor, although unparalleled in Europe, does not impress me more than the culture of peaceful life. You prefer struggle for power, assassinations, poisonings, treachery, conquest, painting, and painting, I don't. Must be a cultural difference.
Anyway, find me in Europe anything similar to Renaissance Poland. Paralleled.
Edit: I got interrupted, sorry. I mean, a strong, wealthy country with no enemies considering serious invasion, and all neighbours yearning to marry any daughter of any Polish king, just to have this kind of a brother-in-law. In case of trouble.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Now what do you mean by this Italian dynamics? Small city-states struggling for power? Thank you, I'd rather have 'wsi spokojna, wsi wesoła'. Not hat Poland did not evolve culturally at this time, of course. Following the European trends, no denial. And modifying them by other trends too.
Now what do you mean by this Italian dynamics? Small city-states struggling for power? Thank you, I'd rather have 'wsi spokojna, wsi wesoła'. Not hat Poland did not evolve culturally at this time, of course. Following the European trends, no denial. And modifying them by other trends too.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Wrong. Learn some history.
Edit: I mean, Polish history. I suppose you know enough about Italy etc.
Which was far stronger in Italy diring that time.
Wrong. Learn some history.
Edit: I mean, Polish history. I suppose you know enough about Italy etc.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Vilnius was a much more dynamic place before that. The God forgotten little tribe killed its leaders yearly or so, and they conquered the post-Ruthenic territory down to the Black Sea. Then they fled to union with Poland, and got civilised. This sort of dynamics was not the most appreciated attitude in Poland. For centuries on.
Vilnius was was a more dynamic place than Venice during the renaissance, nobody will stop you.
Vilnius was a much more dynamic place before that. The God forgotten little tribe killed its leaders yearly or so, and they conquered the post-Ruthenic territory down to the Black Sea. Then they fled to union with Poland, and got civilised. This sort of dynamics was not the most appreciated attitude in Poland. For centuries on.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Depends on the point of view. Poland was happy and strong enough to keep the enemies at bay by the sheer fact of being there. But if you prefer posh collections of paintings to families raising happy children free from danger of being slaughtered, then yes, Poland was a bit on the barbaric side then.
Peaceful doesn't come into it.
Depends on the point of view. Poland was happy and strong enough to keep the enemies at bay by the sheer fact of being there. But if you prefer posh collections of paintings to families raising happy children free from danger of being slaughtered, then yes, Poland was a bit on the barbaric side then.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Well... how peaceful was Italy during the Renaissance? From what I know, the 'condotieri' word gives some clues
Well... how peaceful was Italy during the Renaissance? From what I know, the 'condotieri' word gives some clues
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Golden age, and unparalleled in Europe. That's probably the reason for some sorry twats to dismiss it. Hard to imagine a country like that, for an average European, and hard to admit for the twats that they have never heard of it. 'Polish Empire just like any other'.
Golden age, and unparalleled in Europe. That's probably the reason for some sorry twats to dismiss it. Hard to imagine a country like that, for an average European, and hard to admit for the twats that they have never heard of it. 'Polish Empire just like any other'.
nott
19 Mar 2011
History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]
Still Warsaw was the capital, until 1918. Read what you write, then you can try and be smart.
No they weren't, not by a long chalk. Russians needed space for Jews expelled from Russia by the chart of settlement, which was a prohibition of permanent settlement in Russia, except the Polish part.
In general, the deluge if ignorance in this thread is mind-blowing. I mean, foreigners are not necessarily supposed to know Polish history, but then, maybe, they should ask questions first, or do some easy reading, and shout out their opinions after. From what I've read here, I am completely lost. I don;t know if I'm supposed to be ashamed for Poland not having the colonies (no ambition), or by having them (the over million sq km of the neighbour's territory). All that I see here is 'shame on you, whatever'. Oh, maybe I mixed it up with the 'and proud of it' thread, but doesn't matter, really. Poles, the scum of Europe. Hitler should've done you before the Jews - remember that, Harry? I do.
The Renaissance Poland is something to admire, actually. Despite the fact that it was ruled by a Lithuanian dynasty. They got civilised quickly enough.
Read what I said: the time that the city was the capital of pre-1918 Poland. You told us about a time when the city was under Russian occupation and the Russians decided who could and couldn't live here.
Still Warsaw was the capital, until 1918. Read what you write, then you can try and be smart.
You're right that Jews werent made to leave Warsaw then, but Poles weren't making the rules then, were they?
No they weren't, not by a long chalk. Russians needed space for Jews expelled from Russia by the chart of settlement, which was a prohibition of permanent settlement in Russia, except the Polish part.
In general, the deluge if ignorance in this thread is mind-blowing. I mean, foreigners are not necessarily supposed to know Polish history, but then, maybe, they should ask questions first, or do some easy reading, and shout out their opinions after. From what I've read here, I am completely lost. I don;t know if I'm supposed to be ashamed for Poland not having the colonies (no ambition), or by having them (the over million sq km of the neighbour's territory). All that I see here is 'shame on you, whatever'. Oh, maybe I mixed it up with the 'and proud of it' thread, but doesn't matter, really. Poles, the scum of Europe. Hitler should've done you before the Jews - remember that, Harry? I do.
The Renaissance Poland is something to admire, actually. Despite the fact that it was ruled by a Lithuanian dynasty. They got civilised quickly enough.
nott
17 Mar 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
And then back to Eastern Africa. Once in a pub I heard we all come from some ocean or what. Seems I am more educated than you.
If you have Polish roots, if you feel Polish, if you have Polish loyalties, then you are Polish, whether you speak perfect contemporary Polish or not, whether you are a Polish resident or not. They don't understand that.
You will come to Poland, and you may be cheated and framed by Poles, you being naive in the new strange environment, but those thugs and thieves will take your Polishness without giving it a second thought, and they will exploit it. Family, you know. That's the worst case scenario. On average, the Nation will embrace you.
BTW, what you call an ethnicity, in Poland is a nation. Americans twisted the good old meaning of the word to create something meaningful out of a formless mix of national splinters. They succeeded, and good for them, still a Pole being an American is as good a Pole as any American Irishman is Irish, and AmItalian is Italian. Despite different experiences of everyday life.
Welcome back, have a drink.
There are only a few Poles here in these forums, so don't get confused.
And then back to Eastern Africa. Once in a pub I heard we all come from some ocean or what. Seems I am more educated than you.
I am Polish.
If you have Polish roots, if you feel Polish, if you have Polish loyalties, then you are Polish, whether you speak perfect contemporary Polish or not, whether you are a Polish resident or not. They don't understand that.
You will come to Poland, and you may be cheated and framed by Poles, you being naive in the new strange environment, but those thugs and thieves will take your Polishness without giving it a second thought, and they will exploit it. Family, you know. That's the worst case scenario. On average, the Nation will embrace you.
BTW, what you call an ethnicity, in Poland is a nation. Americans twisted the good old meaning of the word to create something meaningful out of a formless mix of national splinters. They succeeded, and good for them, still a Pole being an American is as good a Pole as any American Irishman is Irish, and AmItalian is Italian. Despite different experiences of everyday life.
Welcome back, have a drink.
There are only a few Poles here in these forums, so don't get confused.
nott
16 Mar 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
And that's an anti-Polish slander, Boy!!!!!!
(what is the smiley for NO SMILE, please? anybody?)
One day I will find you with a glass, you German.... German.
And that's an anti-Polish slander, Boy!!!!!!
(what is the smiley for NO SMILE, please? anybody?)
One day I will find you with a glass, you German.... German.
nott
16 Mar 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
Bratwurst Boy
Yeah, I saw all that. Still, illiterate and hoping to reach NY in a paper plane.
The Vanishing Point Kowalski is a true American Hero though. One of the last pioneers, defenders of the American Way of Freedom and such. And he was supported by a blind blackie too, so he's a sterling value.
Bratwurst Boy
Yeah, I saw all that. Still, illiterate and hoping to reach NY in a paper plane.
The Vanishing Point Kowalski is a true American Hero though. One of the last pioneers, defenders of the American Way of Freedom and such. And he was supported by a blind blackie too, so he's a sterling value.
nott
15 Mar 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
Kowalski confessed that he could not read
(...)
While being able to (...) he is shown to have a bit of difficulty deducing simpler machines.
(...)
he states that the paper plane would help them fly back to NY
Rather a controversial 'quite smart'... You mean 'for a Pole'?
:)
Kowalski confessed that he could not read
(...)
While being able to (...) he is shown to have a bit of difficulty deducing simpler machines.
(...)
he states that the paper plane would help them fly back to NY
Rather a controversial 'quite smart'... You mean 'for a Pole'?
:)
nott
15 Mar 2011
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
While I do agree with the gist of your post, there actually was one. Kowalski in the 'Vanishing Point'.
I'm waiting for the day when the lead guy/hero has a name ending in "ski".
While I do agree with the gist of your post, there actually was one. Kowalski in the 'Vanishing Point'.
nott
17 Dec 2010
Language / Z pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci? [26]
Is it? Why don't we use normal numerals with kids, then?
How much is it now to Burma...
Nah, there must be some legit rule....
Because nobody counts hundreds of children with this accuracy! Who'd bloody care...
Yeah, right. Just point at poor nott. I was trying to be helpful...
Sigh... right, it is confusing. You need to study it to get it right. I don't have to, I am Polish born and bred, my Polish is nigh to perfect. And if not, then it's a native error, possibly a norm in the near future. And during my whole life in Poland and I never had an opportunity to say anything like 'I was strolling with 192 kids.'
Bottom line, then... it's a rather artificial problem. Unless you keep to practical numbers, like dziewięcioro.
Edit:
Thanks for the inspiration, though.
nott: Dziewięcioro is a normal numeral.
'Dziewięcioro" is a collective numeral [the so-called 'liczebnik zbiorowy' in Polish]; a 'normal' numeral would be 'dziewięć'.
'Dziewięcioro" is a collective numeral [the so-called 'liczebnik zbiorowy' in Polish]; a 'normal' numeral would be 'dziewięć'.
Is it? Why don't we use normal numerals with kids, then?
How much is it now to Burma...
Generally, we may say that the problem of the Polish collective numeral is gramatically very complex and difficult.
Nah, there must be some legit rule....
As has been shown in this thread, native speakers are confused and may change their opinions on them.
Because nobody counts hundreds of children with this accuracy! Who'd bloody care...
Shall I remind that the whole discussion had started with Nott's wrong assumption of the case of the noun which accompanies the collective numeral used in the instrumental:
nott: Ze stu dziewięćdziesięciorgiem dziewięciorgiem dziećmi. Dziećmi, not dzieci.
nott: Ze stu dziewięćdziesięciorgiem dziewięciorgiem dziećmi. Dziećmi, not dzieci.
Yeah, right. Just point at poor nott. I was trying to be helpful...
Sigh... right, it is confusing. You need to study it to get it right. I don't have to, I am Polish born and bred, my Polish is nigh to perfect. And if not, then it's a native error, possibly a norm in the near future. And during my whole life in Poland and I never had an opportunity to say anything like 'I was strolling with 192 kids.'
Bottom line, then... it's a rather artificial problem. Unless you keep to practical numbers, like dziewięcioro.
Edit:
Thanks for the inspiration, though.
nott
16 Dec 2010
Language / Z pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci? [26]
Dziewięcioro is a normal numeral. Just check the table at the link I provided and don't try to philosophise :) And the accompanying explanations. You got Dat. and Loc. wrong now. And this is according to my gut feeling too.
Pch... I wonder what they have that I lack that they even consider learning Polish. If I had seen those declination tables before having learnt this language I'd had gone to Burma first train. Poles are a vicious, cruel, inconsiderate bunch of sadists, to force this on innocent babies.
In contrast to that, the complement is declined when it meets the 'normal' numeral, e.g. spotkałem się z dwoma mężczyznami, z dwiema kobietami, szedłem z dwiema paczkami.
Dziewięcioro is a normal numeral. Just check the table at the link I provided and don't try to philosophise :) And the accompanying explanations. You got Dat. and Loc. wrong now. And this is according to my gut feeling too.
Dear foreign users of Polish - please keep out of the collective or other Polish numerals as often as you can!
Pch... I wonder what they have that I lack that they even consider learning Polish. If I had seen those declination tables before having learnt this language I'd had gone to Burma first train. Poles are a vicious, cruel, inconsiderate bunch of sadists, to force this on innocent babies.
nott
15 Dec 2010
Language / Z pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci? [26]
Z dwojgiem dzieci. Sounds absolutely natural.
Sense doesn't necessarily rule grammar. Seems to me somewhere there there's a switch between two grammatical constructs:
1. with (number of) children
2. with number (of children)
By logic dziewięcioro is a numeral, unlike dziewiątka, which is a collective noun. Z setką (dzieci) is Ok, collective noun. Ze (stu) dziećmi is Ok, numeral.
Z dwojgiem dzieci. Ze stu dziewięćdzięsięciorgiem dwojgiem dziećmi...
I am lost. I am waiting for somebody with a huge stamp of authority consecrated in Rome.
Edit:
'z dwojgiem dzieci' gives 321.000 Google results
'z dwojgiem dziećmi' gives 1.100 results
This confirms my instincts. Then why 'z dwoma mężczyznami' is correct also.
I guess I found something:
Składnię pozostałych liczebników wielowyrazowych dopasowuje się do ostatniego członu, np. ze sto pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci,
grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/pl/liczeb02.html
There's (hell of a lot) more there. Happy counting :)
Z dwojgiem dzieci. Sounds absolutely natural.
Sense doesn't necessarily rule grammar. Seems to me somewhere there there's a switch between two grammatical constructs:
1. with (number of) children
2. with number (of children)
By logic dziewięcioro is a numeral, unlike dziewiątka, which is a collective noun. Z setką (dzieci) is Ok, collective noun. Ze (stu) dziećmi is Ok, numeral.
Z dwojgiem dzieci. Ze stu dziewięćdzięsięciorgiem dwojgiem dziećmi...
I am lost. I am waiting for somebody with a huge stamp of authority consecrated in Rome.
Edit:
'z dwojgiem dzieci' gives 321.000 Google results
'z dwojgiem dziećmi' gives 1.100 results
This confirms my instincts. Then why 'z dwoma mężczyznami' is correct also.
I guess I found something:
Składnię pozostałych liczebników wielowyrazowych dopasowuje się do ostatniego członu, np. ze sto pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci,
grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/pl/liczeb02.html
There's (hell of a lot) more there. Happy counting :)
nott
15 Dec 2010
History / Effects of Living under Communism in Poland [58]
'Intolerance' is the opposite of 'tolerance' in its dictionary meaning, not of the tolerance as applied by the Left. As you yourself admit, in fact, so no contention here.
I do, I've seen it working. My parents saw it in a rather more drastic implementation. I can see it here, to a lesser extent. The false label adds insult to injury.
Social justice is a way of levelling the subjects up so there's no opposition strong enough to challenge the set-up. Those active ones are busy struggling and looking innocent, the others are happy on their justly deserved dole. The system crashes after the dole inevitably becomes too small, and converts into post-leftist oligarchy of 'now you've got the capitalism you wanted so much, stop whining.'
And the opposite of tolerance is intolerance, which is also about restricting undesirable needs.
'Intolerance' is the opposite of 'tolerance' in its dictionary meaning, not of the tolerance as applied by the Left. As you yourself admit, in fact, so no contention here.
And you don't believe in social justice?
I do, I've seen it working. My parents saw it in a rather more drastic implementation. I can see it here, to a lesser extent. The false label adds insult to injury.
Social justice is a way of levelling the subjects up so there's no opposition strong enough to challenge the set-up. Those active ones are busy struggling and looking innocent, the others are happy on their justly deserved dole. The system crashes after the dole inevitably becomes too small, and converts into post-leftist oligarchy of 'now you've got the capitalism you wanted so much, stop whining.'
nott
15 Dec 2010
nott
15 Dec 2010
Life / During winter in Poland, does petrol in the car freezes [60]
a splash of tepid water in -18
nott: Not sure if the glass will always survive.
Glass will survive what?
Glass will survive what?
a splash of tepid water in -18
nott
15 Dec 2010
Life / During winter in Poland, does petrol in the car freezes [60]
Not sure if the glass will always survive. I used a de-icer spray, alcohol, with success. In about -10, I think. Quite a lot of it. Better to protect the rubbers beforehand, a dab of vaseline works as well.
sobieski: In the meantime does anybody have some advice how to open a solid-frozen cardoor open?
Id be inclined to poor tepid (a bit warm) water over it.
Id be inclined to poor tepid (a bit warm) water over it.
Not sure if the glass will always survive. I used a de-icer spray, alcohol, with success. In about -10, I think. Quite a lot of it. Better to protect the rubbers beforehand, a dab of vaseline works as well.
nott
15 Dec 2010
History / Effects of Living under Communism in Poland [58]
Social manipulation, in general. In case of tolerance, for example, it's about restricting the undesirable ideas. Social justice is about taxing people to finance the growth of leftist electorate, etc.
And what are these "underhanded ends"?
Social manipulation, in general. In case of tolerance, for example, it's about restricting the undesirable ideas. Social justice is about taxing people to finance the growth of leftist electorate, etc.
nott
14 Dec 2010
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]
Both of them.
Doesn't matter much. The thing is amateurish, but well observed. If you know what I mean.
Brits are over-sensitive about racism. Unless in private, that is.
Both of them.
Doesn't matter much. The thing is amateurish, but well observed. If you know what I mean.
the Brits go on about how racist it is
Brits are over-sensitive about racism. Unless in private, that is.
nott
14 Dec 2010
nott
14 Dec 2010
Language / Z pięćdziesięciorgiem dwojgiem dzieci? [26]
No.
Back to school.
What would you native speakers say to a streamlining grammatical reform of Polish?
No.
I have seen professional TV presenters (educated native Poles) stumble when they got to large numbers. What say ye?
Back to school.