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Trevek   
10 Jun 2012
News / British senior politician compares Poland to South Africa during apartheid [129]

Insults and slanders? You mean it isn't true that black players here may face racial abuse? Events in Krakow would show you to be a liar if you did make that claim.

They do, but should England boycott matches with France and Italy because in some league games Black players have had bananas thrown at them?
Trevek   
7 Jun 2012
Travel / No warnings to soccer fans going to Euro 2012 about Polish drivers and Polish roads? [40]

Is it relevant?

Considering that we had some Irish guests travel from warsaw to Olsztyn on a bus and swore they'd only travel back by train, I think it is. Some people will be coming by car and, under the impression people drive on the right-hand side in Poland, will be unprepared for the Audi SUVs they'll meet driving on the left hand side towards them.

getting drunk therefore rendering them useless to drive anyway.

In Poland that is sometimes a pre-requisite for getting behind the wheel. It can be so scary driving in Poland that you have to be drunk before you have the courage!
Trevek   
3 Jun 2012
Genealogy / Where are the Lemkos now? Do they still exist in Poland? [32]

why are you interested in Lemko's in general ?

I worked with a Polish theatre group called Teatr Wiejski Węgajty (Theatre of the village of Węgajty) in northern Poland. They are interested in indigenous cultures and traditions of Poland. For several years they did carolling in some Lemko villages in the south, singing Lemko songs etc. This is where I found out about them.

youtu.be/_YlYKmVlBSE

My grandmother is ( 89year old) Belarusian who was born and grew up in West Belarus then apart of Poland and she was very heavily Polanised so i think it was a common thing back then.

I have a friend who is a Bialorussian from Poland and he says his Grandparents won't speak the language to his kids because they still feel there is a stigma attached to it. Mind you, it's worth remembering that in the "old days" there wasn't always such a clear cut distinction between who was what until lines were drawn by other people and they were forced to choose. It happens both sides of borders, sadly.

A young £emko musician and his band called Lemon won the latest Polish edition of Must Be the Music.

Thanks, didn't know about this.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2012
Genealogy / Where are the Lemkos now? Do they still exist in Poland? [32]

I'm not really an expert, but from my experience (talking to a few and reading a bit) it kind of runs into 4 groups (at least). Some decide they are Polish or Ukrainian, some are specifically £emko and others aren't aware of it much. I suppose others just keep their mouths shut to outsiders.

Part of the idea behind moving them in 1947 was to break the link with Ukrainian separatists. They were moved to areas which had been granted to Poland after WW2 when the borders moved. These areas were also populated (Polonised) by Poles who were moved from areas such as Ukraine, Lithuania etc.

Some scholars suggest that in such cases social groups often feel a need to express their identity strongly. So, amongst a population of angry Poles (angry about the war, angry about being moved from their homes), it wasn't always a wise idea to express yourself as a "Ukrainian" (even if some Lemko did not consider themselves such). One man I spoke to mentioned how he had been away from the area when Akcja Wisła took place. One day, after he'd returned, he started arguing with someone in a town in the south (near his home) and people were amused to hear he was Lemko. At one point some other men approached him, took him to the side and told him to shut up and stop drawing attention to himself as the Lemko who had managed to remain were trying to keep a low profile.

In the new areas, some just decided to "become" Polish (assimilate) and now their grandchildren may not even know about their own heritage. In others they became stronger in their ideas about being Lemko, sometimes deciding to align with Ukrainian identity (or Lemko Ukrainian).

I met singers and cultural/language activists trying to educate the young people about £emko culture, but in many places it seems to be dying as the older people don't always feel a need to pass it on.

One fascinating (but sad) conversation I heard in a village in the south, was when a Polish woman said they were trying to teach all the kids at the primary school Lemko language. The old farmer's wife snorted that it was a waste of time because they'd never speak it when they left the village... and they would. "Teach them German or English, something of use to them!" The old farmer piped up that £emko culture didn't exist anymore, had stopped existing in 1947 and one day people would read in books that there used to be people called £emko...

I must point out, these are just my own experiences and things I've heard from chatting with/ interviewing people. If anyone on PF feels I am misrepresenting anyone, my apologies, and please feel free to correct me on any point.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2012
Genealogy / Where are the Lemkos now? Do they still exist in Poland? [32]

These might help:

houseofnames.com/pawluk-family-crest

au.answers.yahoo/question/index?qid=20110903102501AAAP71g

genforum.genealogy.com/austria/messages/10824.html

lemko.org/art/StamfordMuseum.html

lemkoproject.blogspot.com/p/lemko-research-project-underway-call.html

carpatho-rusyn.org/lemkos/lemkos.htm

lemko.org/lih/travel/sanokm.html
Trevek   
2 Jun 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

but in this slipping into another language and finding that less exposed, somehow, than sex in one's own language?

Well, always remember not to talk with your mouth full!

Mosley, the motor-racing chap reckoned he got his S/M dominatrixes to speak German because the "harsh sounds" suited the role playing. I should imagine it can work in other languages...

Like... Russian:
Trevek   
2 Jun 2012
Genealogy / Where are the Lemkos now? Do they still exist in Poland? [32]

The thing with the £emko was that during the interwar period, many Polish ethnographers declared them "Polish", speaking a dialect of Polish. By 1947, with the rise of Ukrainian seperatism, they were declared "Ukrainian" and speaking a dialect of Ukrainian., given 2 hours to pack and loaded on trains for the "recovered territories" of Silesia. Pomorski and Warmia-Mazury. Some return to their homes later on, but many of the villages are dying now. The old people I interviewed in one village felt "real" Lemko culture died with Akcja Wisła, but other people were still active in trying to pass the culture on to younger members.

This guy is interested in Lemko culture and has written about it: eth.mpg.de/cms/en/people/d/hann/

Oh, and I believe Andy Warhol was Lemko.
Trevek   
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

What point did he say that he'd been racially abused in Poland? Did you watch the interview?

He didn't, nor did I say he had. The post I was replying to explained why he had been invited to comment (as an international footballer who had personal experience of some of the issues... fair enough). However, the point was made earlier about how many different countries he'd played in. Many of those countries also have a reputation for violence and racism. Their fans will also be travelling to Poland.

Does Campbell say "Oh, and when racist Italians start throwing bananas in Poland... or when English yobs get to Poland... or the Northern ireland fans who were scrapping with Polish fans in belfast, and who hate all catholics"? No, he watches a few bits of film and makes a comment decrying a nation.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't doubt there is racism, I don't doubt there is violence and I know for a fact people get hurt (used to live in Ibrox, by the Rangers stadium). It is the use of selective journalism (Do they interview the police about anything? Do they talk about what has been done? Do they talk with a wider selection of fans?).
Trevek   
31 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

This 'black' guy happened to be an ex England footballer who has played the game in all levels for clubs like England, Arsenal, Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur. This 'black' guy obviously knows what he is talking about having suffered from racial abuse in his past.

And how much of the racism did he receive from Polish/Ukrainian fans?

It isn't the point that this is not a problem, or that it exists, it is that based on selective reporting that Campbell can make such a statement.
Trevek   
31 May 2012
Life / You've been in Poland a while if .... [49]

You don't giggle when you see the words "fart" or "fuks".

You ask your Polish colleagues questions about English grammar.

You aren't surprised when a pedestrian waves you to drive on when you stop to let them cross.

You can take only one of those paper serviettes out of the holder without spilling all the others.
Trevek   
31 May 2012
Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

Don't say "dziękuję" ("thank you") when paying for something until you get your change... it means "keep the change".

Other than that, I'd suggest following the normal conventions of most countries. Don't go into churches with short shorts.

I live in northern Poland and we have a number of Arabian students. Some of these have Polish girlfriends and walk publically on the street with little or no problem.
Trevek   
30 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

You haven't really got the concept of holding a major sports tournament, have you?.

I have, but it doesn't mean I have to accept sloppy, bigotted journalism. I'm also old enough to recall when England fans were considered the scourge of Europe and were targetted by foreign police even if they were innocent (Italy, I seem to recall).

My wife is Polish and she agrees that what is said is true (and she hates football), but she also says it is exagerrated and very selective.

Look on Youtube for the film of Rangers fans booing Boruc for crossing himself. So, on the strength of that am I supposed to believe any catholic going to scotland will return in plaster? Poland and Ukraine are seen as primeval racists but does Sol say that any black person going to a match against a French team will receive racist abuse?

Of course, there is a problem which needs addressing, but is it as serious as the one the film makes out?
Trevek   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Too thck to realise that the Euro 2012 is not being played in London. London is in Britain, not POLAND or UKRANINE

So it's OK to have riots, elect far-right parties to Euro-parliament, have religiously bigotted football fans who enjoy scrapping as long as Euro 2012 isn't being played there?

To me this is just a case of British "journalism" jumping on a minority situation so it can have a bit of a buzz and feel superior, whilst ignoring a lot of the problems in UK.
Trevek   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

To be fair, you really wouldn't get UK fans shouting racial abuse from the stands in a football match, at, for example, black players, or attacking a group of Asian students who are supporting the same side. Or any side. There is such a mix of people here, that kind of blatant racism doesn't happen.

Funny, it happened not too many years ago... bananas chucked on the pitch (something I heard of at a French match too)... Oh, and don't forget how lovely and unbigotted the rangers fans were when Boruc crossed himself.
Trevek   
23 May 2012
Life / Polish dentistry cost - 230 zl for one tooth cavity filling [99]

I've had a few done and they generally cost about 1500 zlotych (around 300) for the root-canal work and the crown etc. Possible to get it less (about 500 zlots for the crown alone -about 100 quid).

I'm in Olsztyn.

Depending on the lab, it can take a few days to a week for the crown.
Trevek   
1 May 2012
UK, Ireland / Scotz barszcz magazine [10]

Merged: Scotsbarszcz is back! Latest edition

The on-line Scottish-Polish magazine "Scotsbarszcz" is out again:
Trevek   
18 Apr 2012
History / Which countries are Polands friends, which are Polands enemies? [75]

There's a chapter in "For Your Freedom and Ours" (history of 303 sqn) For-Your-Freedom-Ours-Kosciuszko.

which examines this. It points out that Teddy kept making jokes at Churchill's expense and seemed to think it made him matey with Uncle Joe. Stalin apparently just sat smiling at his two rivals weakening their position infront of him.
Trevek   
18 Apr 2012
Life / Polish interment practices...cemetary burial. [17]

I was thinking more in the cities, like Olsztyn. There is a park on one side of the town which used to be the evangelic cemetery. There is also a German and Russian war cemetery which was destroyed but has recently been restored, if only symbollically. There are a few WW1 cemeteries in small villages which were destroyed but have been restored recently (containing Russian and German graves)

That said, in a few villages I have been the German cemeteries have been left to go to ruin, if not "helped" a little, but are now being cleaned up in a few places (and not in others).
Trevek   
16 Apr 2012
News / Poles are able to forgive their enemies - how noble. [68]

Quite noble of Wałęsa. Or not?

Well, their daughters are good friends, aren't they?

A friend of mine was a British paratrooper (he was English). He fought at Arnhem. After the war he was captured by the Russians, hiking across red Germany and spent 7 years in gulag.

A few years ago, he told me of riding his motorbike over to Arnhem and partying with some other veterans. I asked if they were fellow paras... "Some, but most were Waffen SS... what a great bunch of lads!"

Funny thing was, he'd never work on a communist vehicle (he was a mechanic) or even ride a communist built motorcycle to the day he died.