UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]


Not what I meant.
One is a foreigner, drunk and presumed the main culprit. Focus on him. That is clear.
The thing is the other driver although not drunk has been charged as well with all the changers the first diver minus alcohol overuse.
It means - they both caused that accident. Is drunk guilty in 40% or 80% is immaterial. Seems to me that all jumped to conclusion condemning that dude (dumb drunk) for causing this accident when in fact it is possible that he is not the main culprit. If only theoretically.

Lets wait for the judgment.


Maybe legally but nit in reality. You seems to have difficulty to disthgiush between reality and your wishful thinking especially if you have an opportunity to exercise your holiest than thy attitude. Stop preaching and moralizing you sound like a bigot.

Are you high?

UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]


No, they are both being charged with dangerous diving that what I mean. How come? Polish one gets rap for being over the alcohol limit. The English one wasn't over the limit but he is not an innocent bystander either, otherwise wouldn't be changed.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


Which has nothing to do with the issue. Reparations should be paid, you don't make moral judgment in your one case.


Which doesn't talk about reparations and on the top of it 1953 is fake - even if we assume that Soviet Poland's acts are legally binding.


In the head and morally. Not too weak militarily.
@Lyzko stop trolling. They haven't paid for the material loses nearly enough.

UK, Ireland / 31 year old Polish man causes accident under influence of alcohol and kills 8 [198]

That thread is incorrect in presenting the issue. As far as I understand there was two drives that coursed accent and both of them are being charged. The Polish one had been drunk what the other dude excuse?

I'm not getting the whole picture here. Yes, dunks. junkies and such should punished for diving while intoxicated. Severally.
All that had been said many times already. Has anybody noticed something amiss in the story? Some info lost in translation for example?


twits like you are actually the same the world over.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


No, they didn't. Those are circulated some myths pulled out straight from someone unwashed ......!

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


Need I remind you that German were in habit in murdering Poles, including women, children, toddlers and pregnant women if they happened to be hiding Jews from the German overlords in their household. In that context lecturing Poles about dangers of anti-Semites today seems like prove that Teutonic hubris hasn't been decapitated and belongs firmly in the past as Germans are bragging all the time but transformed instead into something much more insidious and potentially as destructive.

If anyone today need an instruction and a moral guidance - that be Germans.


Hence may claim that German TV is doing it on purpose not out of the ignorance. Hardly surprising as the IIIReich war 'heroes' often enjoyed a long and lucrative careers as a very prominent people.


What Polish officials? That is some kind of the myth. Soviet Poles weren't Polish and were following Stalin's orders. The only thing that said was Yes, comrade Stalin. Not in the position to make any demands.

As for the Polish legal grovemnat in exile it was neither in position to make any demands nor in contact with Stalin, so that line of reasoning belong in the garbage.

The only a small kernel of true in this strange fatmasagoric mambo-jumbo of yours. It is a fact that there existed Polish projects in regard to the acquisition by Poland of Germans territories. Mainly it was about Gdansk, East Prussia and Silesia.

Two main points:
- they based their territorial 'demands' on a premise that Poland's Eastern borders remain the same.
- that Germany as a state lost all moral and legal rights due to the way they acted during the war.
You claim that those territories are a compensation are not factual and if you insist I can counter that Soviet creation couldn't act in the name of Poland. In 1991 there is nothing about war reparations that is legally binding, just some ambiguous slogans.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


Thanks Lzyko I haven't notice it. That was helpful.
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You haven't answer my question.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


You got it. I'm impressed. However I'm not familiar with any such a book. Was it your favorite lecture?

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


I'm well aware it is your quote, affirmative action has a lot do to with a consistency testing question. Please feel free to drive this thread off topic but answer my question first.


That is not true. It has nothing to do with compensation for the war loses.


As I said, that territory has nothing to do with compensation. Also I Don't belie that the issue of compensation has been settled in the past until a legally binding document will be produced.

About modern Germany I know enough to know that they are not fully aware of the degree to which they have destroyed Poland and its populace. I also know that German TV and some newspaper talk about Polish Camps in regard to the German Konzentrationslagers and dead camps from the WWI.

Hardly an inspiring performance.
Sure they are beading the dead horse talking about Holocaust and all that but I doubt they're talking about murdered Poles.
Also I don't find it appriopate if Germans are trying to lecture Poles on anti-Semitism or democracy. That is unacceptable, rude and tells me that in regard to the moral issues and facing historical responsibilities Germans still have a lot to learn.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


A phrase can be true of false. That statement of yours is a false statement not factual. Repeating a biased ideological nonsense make you look stupid but that is your choice.

Aside all else:
Nazis were right wing in the commie terminology. I'm not a commie for me they are as much left and as much despicable as commies.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


Indeed and the same happened to any fascist moment in communism run countries. They were two wings of the same. Civil wars are often the most cruel, people hate other with passion.

A premise upon which you have build your narrative is a false one. The fact that Al Capone fought rival mobsters didn't transform him into a law abiding citizen or didn't grant him some moral high ground. Both he and his opponents were despicable criminals that happened to be at odds. Simple!

Read it as a Communist - Nazi analogy.
By the way violence and inflight between Commies and Nazis in the Weimar Germany drove the populace into supporting the Nazis. Faced with a choice between them they choose Nazis.

In the same identity policies and antifa violence reactive support for radical racist movements. A divisive ideology of the neo-Marxists.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


Lol, not factual Marx had been inspiration for both wings of the left movement - Nazis and Commies.


By using their brains. Foremost the approach should be wise.
You ask a loaded question here and expect a simple answer. No can do. If you're really interested ask a straightforward question.

If you are asking about so called refugees in Germany (and other EU countries) Poland should do exactly what is doing right now - tell the politician and those countries to buzz off. So, far no refugee from a middle east of Africana knocked at the gate in Poland. The distance is too great.


so how many refugees have you in your home?
cause the bible talks about individuals not states.
If a refugees as YOU for help you should help if you can.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


So you are against affirmative action?

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


Well, law is either ambiguous as to it or not very clear on the issue. Depend who is a paymasters of a lawyer. In other words the law is not clear black and white on it!

On other hand if we talk morals, fairness and all that - Germany has not ground to ask for it. Amount of art destroyed and stolen by the German side is such that Berlinka doesn't even came close to amend for that. There is still plenty of loot from Poland in private German hands including my great grandma gold watch. Somehow the 'German side' cannot deal with it at all and let it go in regard to Berlinka.


That is blandly untruth. Didn't you say yourself how much the Soviet union extracted from Germany on the top of acquiring some German territories?


I can reasonably expect a reasonable and fair compensation to be paid. Not some excuses and taken money.
As great-grandchildren paying for the crimes of their ancestors - pry tell when Germany has paid to France the last rate of the compensation for the war? (even IWW if I'm not mistaken) was it last year or was it 'only' a couple of years ago? Is that reasonable and if it is reasonable in case of France why it isn't reasonable in the case of Poland.?

I think that general awareness in Germany as to the severity of the German occupation of Poland and amount of ruins, dead and misery it had left behind is grossly underestimated. I find it mildly repulsive. It seems to me there is a purposeful policy in Germany aimed at playing it down or/and whitewash it when it comes to Poland.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


Well. true, that document you're citing is not legally biding. Its only a declaration of an intent signed by a one person who has no authority to sign. It had been done to appease his the soviets masters. Who didn't care about legal details, but we do - don't we? If so, that document is just a worthless scrap of paper erroneously attributed with a value it clary doesn't posses.


In that case we need to wait and see.


That has no bearing on the issue we are talking about. After all Germany had been a recipient of a huge help from one of their conquers namely the USA.(the money allocated to Poland from the EU are just peanuts in comparison). Should we take it into the account too? In my mind both facts are not connected, has nothing to do with our debate.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


Really. What you say absolutely confirm what I have said.
How old are you Danny? You have a very idealistic approach to the issue.


Well, that is a human nature, as long as people tolerate each other everything is fine. Poland is not that bad in this regard.


Nazis were clearly inspired by Marx. They were socialists, left, red like commies, Stalinists. The only difference is one went international other national.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


Clary you are the one who is prejudiced. Poles don't want them for a number of good reasons. Evidently those reasons are not good enough for you. So, my advice is take as many 'refugees' as you can into your own house. Put your money where your mouth is.


Europe and western civilization has been build on Christianity. Hence even an atheist can be defending western civilization if he knows where are his roots.

Life / Is Poland split into two religions: catholicism and non-believers? [103]


Cleary draw your attention. How representative those people are of the whole and what are you complaining about? Have they been chanting it during mass?


Well, Christianity observed on the middle east adopted a subdued, tamed and tailored version of Christianity fitted for people who are under Islamic heel.


You know what? I'm sick of people like you and those of your ilk. Who are not Catholic themselves, often not even Christians and who have the audacity to lecture Catholic/Christians where their duty lies and what they should do.

You should have become a priest if you like to preach. I tell you in no so many words in answer to that insolent usurpation - FO boyo! Mind your own ....business!

USA, Canada / Thousands of undocumented Poles in Chicago [33]


Nah, that is due to the fact that Poles rat on each other to the immigration. They are over representative in this regard, nothing to do with numbers.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]

Let agree to disagree.

My final point - IF there is any legally binding document in which Poland wavers its right to compensation from Germany, Merkel would produce it post-haste.

By the way - Poland suffered the his losses due to the German aggression in 1939, proportionally to its populace of course. Hasn't got any compensation for that.

That is not right.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


It doesn't work in the way you think it works.


I checked his links. One is a book which deal in theory. The other about Potsdam agreement. The book I would need to read it first to know if it relevant to the case . As for the Potsdam agreement it doesn't say anything about waving Poland's right to ask for reparations from a German state.

That agreement from 1953 in regard to Poland - doesn't exist. There is no legally binding document and this links doesn't provide access to a one.

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No, because this is a separate issue. Some people are adamant to connect them (or any number of things with those territories) in any way they can.


It need to be remember that GDR doesn't exist today and Poland hasn't waived any claims towards Germany. As for alleged 1953 agreement it never happened.


I disagree, it was questioned in Germany for a long time. It hasn't been brought up by a major political party - but that different.

As to Kohl -Mazowiecki talks I'm pretty sure that haven't made any legally biding agreements in regard to reparations. Otherwise it would be pretty dumb on the part of PiS to bring that issue up.

History / For what the Germans owe Poland one trillion U.S. dollars? [299]


No, it doesn't.


I disagree, it was a very good deal for Germany. Not so good for Poland but I can't blame it on Germany. It was the fault of post-commies, those ill prepared fools haven't been able to get it right. Still is was better than nothing.

However contrary to your claim there is no settlement regarding reparations. As there is no this alleged agreement from 1953 you claimed settled the issue. The only info about that mythical agreement from 1953 is a one article in a newspaper (a German newspaper).

The some with those Kohl-Mazowiecki talks. It just smokescreen. Sure they were talking but nit about reparations.

News / 2.79% of Ukrainian asylum seekers granted asylum [46]


Ask them Doug. That is a very good question. Go and ask them. If you find out something that would make sense, come back and tell us.


Give me a good reason to change that law? I think that law is sound and good.


Why? If Germany has a cheek to call overwhelming majority of economic (illegal) migrants - refugees. Poland is pointing out that this kind of 'refugees" Poland has a plenty mostly from Ukraine.

News / 2.79% of Ukrainian asylum seekers granted asylum [46]


It doesn't surprise me as he is a commie they welcomed him with the open arms.
He doesn't think, he reacts. Nothing stops him from taking to his own house an Ukrainian in need or how many his hearth desire and support them. Nah, he rather preach to others what they should do. No-one is asking him.


Your dishonesty and a manipulative deceitful nature is clearly visible here. Your argument is not even an argument, it makes no sense. Comparing Polish combatants and their families in Britain after WWII to the Uknianian workers in Poland today is like comparing apples and oranges.

Those Ukrainians didn't fight for Poland like Poles did fight for Brinian (ultimately).
They haven't lost their country, they lost only a very small part of it.
If they're combatants why they are in Poland? The fight still goes on!
If they are refugees what Ukrainian society and Ukrainian government does for them? Not a thing? the PiS- gov pumped into oligarchy that is ruling that country about 40 billion or million (don't recall the number). Send there a lot of money.

Poland is not a rich country by any stretch of imagination.
Poland doesn't own Them a thing.
As far as I'm aware they still have their own government in Kiev - what they are doing to address the problem?


Why don't you stick to the topic? You going off your rocker all over the place and than you whine that mods are heavy handed and unfair. Soon you gonna whine about being racially profiled as a part of their discriminatory policy towards trolls.

@G(underblanket)
Indeed. Those migratory commies are creating a false narrative to bash people on the head with their nonsense. You're right that is not even an issue.

News / Poland's Public TV News Propaganda "Wiadomości" hated by viewers [31]


~People have different opinions. So what? If we are talking about political programs or the news, there is no comparison. Improvement 100% if not more.


Soviets you mean? They haven't been bothered by the prograde during PO times when TVP information reminded me a lot Soviet Poland propaganda, no wonder if the some people were calling the shots.

USA, Canada / Thousands of undocumented Poles in Chicago [33]


Nonsense. Visa-free access is overrated anyway/


Hmm one doesn't exclude the other but reason would dictate to stop influx of illegals in the first place..

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He is like 84, a one of those who has been living too long for his own good. A holocaust survivor will end up dying in a prison if they nab him, sad.

Real Estate / I was adopted - what are my rights? Property inheritance in Poland [11]


As far as I remember (it had been a while) - yes!
She has a right to half of the property while you, your siblings and her children have an equal share in the other half, provided he didn't make any other arrangements to curtail your rights.

The best advice contact a lawyer in Poland.

Feedback / Access to Off-topic forum / random chat and posting therein [10]

I second that motion.