News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]

Johnny not only are you not an intellectual of any weight, but you are an ******* who refuses to admit when he is wrong. You have no honor and you are not worthy of participating in a Polish discussion forum because Poles and Polonia still have some sense of nobility which you are lacking. Keep trying to monitor every thread here you pushy piece of crap and search Nietzsche for the passage where he claims the Chinese are part of the master race you will never find it you idiot. As for me I am going to ignore you. You are beneath my contempt.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


You are the one with an inferior grasp of Nietzsche as your post #81 shows.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


So you are admitting your statement of post #81 is wrong, good for you. You are becoming less of a pompous ass, but now you need to retract your generalization about "East European obsession with the Jews." A few anti-Semitic posters on this forum do not represent all of Eastern Europe, just as one patronizing ponce from Britain doesn't represent all the British.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


Nietzsche did not believe there was only one single "master race" but rather there have been groups of people that followed either "master morality" or "slave morality." He gave many examples of those who followed the former such as "Roman, Arab, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings" (First Treatise Section 11 of On The Genealogy Of Morals) but he never claimed these disparate groups were all part of one race. As for "slave morality" he states again and again that it became distinct with Rabbinic Judaism, and that the conflict between master morality and slave morality can be understood as Rome vs. Judea. Regarding the Chinese he, unfortunately, always used them as an example of a people that follow a slave morality.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


These "standards" you speak of are not Polish standards, but rather Nazi ones. In Poland many people including the national poet Adam Mickiewicz had Jewish ancestors that converted to Christianity, once they did this they were no longer Jewish in Polish eyes. If some people here have adopted the Nazi attitude that Jewishness is in the "blood" that’s unfortunate, but it’s not a sound attitude, nor a truly Polish one.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


No, but i don't know anyone whose religion is Roman Catholicism but is not a Catholic either, yet that doesn't mean Catholic is a nationality.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


Benjamin Disraeli was a Christian his ancestors were Jewish. Judaism is a religion not a nationality.

News / POLES FEEL LIKE JEWS HAVE TOO MUCH CONTROL IN POLAND - TRUE? [209]


I agree that Nietzsche was very wise but his family's belief in their noble Polish roots has been made highly suspect by genealogical researchers. The surname "Nietzsche" is not a Polish surname and it is the paternal side of his family that is supposed to have hailed from Poland. The family legend claimed that they had been szlachta that had adopted Lutheranism and then left Poland because they were persecuted for it. It is true that much of the szlachta did convert to Protestantism during the Reformation but almost all these families returned to Catholicism during the Counter-Reformation so perhaps some level of persecution could've occurred. Nietzsche's father as well as his paternal grand-father and great-grandfather had been Lutheran pastors, but older generations Nietzsche's paternal line had all been butchers. So for Nietzsche's family legend to be true then the following unlikely scenario must be true: That a noble Polish family moved to Swabia, because of their Lutheranism, and then took up the lowly trade of butcher for several generations before becoming Lutheran clergymen. I do however agree that Nietzsche's philosophy is Polish in spirit and so perhaps his atavistic claims may actually be true.

Life / Polish mentality-three fishermen [7]


I like them too but not because I find them at all funny, but rather because as a boy when I found out about them I was horrified to find that I was supposed to be stupid and so from then on I made an effort to always pay attention in school and to read a lot of books so that no one would be able make Polish jokes at my expense. I wouldn't say that Polish jokes are entirely responsible for making me a scholar but they sure helped. Once a young woman impressed by my learning asked about my ethnicity and when I told her I was Polish she told me that the valedictorian at her high school was too, and that she believed Polish jokes exist not because Polish people tend to be stupid but rather because Polish people tend to be brilliant and the jokes are thus merely wishful thinking on the part of jealous non-Polish dummies.

Language / Polish nationality insults in Polish? [67]

Do the Poles still call the Lithuanians "greybacks" because of their homespun wool garments, or "beet eaters" because of that root's prominence in their diet, or have these appellations become extinct?

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]


Attila was an actual Hun, the Magyars arrived in Hungary several centuries after than him.

History / What nation do Poles feel closer to? [74]

I remember Czesław Miłosz writing somewhere that the two nations Poles have the most affection for are the Serbs and the Hungarians, so my guess is the Magyars.

News / Victory in 'anti-Polish camps' campaign in US [170]

Regarding the thread topic I would hardly call the removal of the word "Polish" from "Deathcamps" as a victory, because Poland will still be thought of as an anti-Semitic place, because it is in the interests of Zionist elements in the media to continually portray it that way. It rationalizes their crimes in Palestine because their former homeland was so cruel to them.

News / Victory in 'anti-Polish camps' campaign in US [170]

I am a Polish-American member of the Green Party and I despise both the obnoxious idiots that generalize about Polish-Americans' political leanings on this forum as well as the Polish-American reactionary idiots who spout their racist crap on this forum. A pox on both your houses. I came to this forum to learn about my ancestral homeland, not to be disappointed by my peers, nor to be stereotyped by twits.

Life / Differences in Polish, American and British mentality [237]


You shouldn't make spurious generalizations about millions of people based on the remarks of some of the few Polish-Americans that post on this forum.

UK, Ireland / UK: How to create a perfect scapegoat? [54]


Is this really a necessary condition to gain British citizenship? If so how does one go about showing it? By sending her a nice card, or buying her a present, or does a British secret service agent telephone the prospective citizen and pose as a monarch from another country, like Juan Carlos of Spain, and say mean stuff about Liz to see if the prospective citizen objects?

News / Poland in the 'brave new world'? [10]

Friedman's ridiculous prediction of a Mexican reconquista of the Southwestern United States could contribute to the anti-Latino sentiments already being drummed up by racist demagogues should his prognosticating become renown amongst American idiots.

History / When will Russia and Germany return the things they took from the Polish in Poland ? [49]

That is a very informative link Softsong. I didn't know that their was a major center of Polonia in Sacramento. One of my University pals is from that area and he has a Polish mother. His family let the band Sublime stay with them when they were touring the area and if you've ever heard the album "Forty Ounces To Freedom" the special thanks they offer in one song to "Mrs. J." is to her.

History / When will Russia and Germany return the things they took from the Polish in Poland ? [49]


I wonder if any polls exist that measure the level of racism of amongst Polonia in our most populous areas like Chicago, Buffalo, etc. I don't live in such an area but my family who do live in one, Detroit, have never seemed overtly racist to me.

History / When will Russia and Germany return the things they took from the Polish in Poland ? [49]


This is incorrect regarding California. We are happily multicultural here with no tradition of lynching and the few racists we have are social pariahs outside of their little circles.

News / US air base to be in Poland [193]

As long as American foreign policy remains enthralled to Zionism Poland would do well to reject this proposed base. As for Poland being a "3rd world country" perhaps a bit of history regarding the Three World paradigm is in order. The First World comprised the capitalist democracies of Western Europe and North America. The Second World comprised the industrialized countries under Soviet domination and the Third World was everyone else. Poland was a member of the Second World, but the Three World paradigm has been obsolete since the fall of the Soviet Union.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]

It seems our British interlocutors are a bit confused about what participation in the Renaissance means. Judging participation merely by the amount of "things" produced such as paintings or buildings is a truncated criterion, but an understandable mistake from those with a petty bourgeois attachment to things that can be bought and sold. The Polish gentry of the Renaissance lived lives in the mode of the proud patricians of the Roman Republic. In lives lived Poland was the embodiment of the Renaissance.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


Rich patrons paying hundreds of court painters is precisely what the Renaissance was all about. As for "the thriving middle and trade classes" that were present elsewhere in Europe these little thrifty people had no real classical style when compared to the free and fierce Polish szlachta of the time, and the Renaissance was all about regaining the grand style of the ancients. Indeed when one talks about the rebirth that was the Renaissance, Poland is politically exemplarily because it was a grand aristocracy without an autocrat in the mode of republican Rome.

History / Poland during the Renaissance [146]


If one stipulates having had the classics in antiquity as necessary as a necessary condition for renaissance then all of Northern Europe is disqualified, but I think being versed in Greek or Latin and reading the classics and creating writings and speech inspired by them, or enjoying classically inspired visual arts and creating art in their vein, does indeed constitute a rebirth regardless of how much contact one's ancestors had with the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome.

Life / Is the word "Polack"rascist? [185]


Isn't Lah the Ruthenian word for a member of the Szlachta? In Sienkiewicz's Trilogy the Tartars and Turks refer to Poland as "Lahistan".

History / A question regarding Christian/Pagan military alliance in First Millenium Central Europe [17]

Thank you for your insight Ziemtowit. You put me on the path to what I believe may be the Christian/Pagan alliance I read about. The Obotrite tribe did have a military alliance with the Franks from the 9th century through the 12th and they fought wars against both the Pagan Saxons and the Pagan Western Slavs known as the Veleti. The Obotrites were not converted to Christianity until the 12th Century by St Vicelinus. So the incident I read about may have occurred during a Frankish/Obotrite campaign against the Veleti.

History / A question regarding Christian/Pagan military alliance in First Millenium Central Europe [17]

Yes Nomad since "the sheperds were in the fields with their flocks" and Palestine is chilly at night at the end of December, it is highly unlikely that the Nativity occurred on Dec. 25th. The date was chosen because of the Winter Solstice festivals of the Pagan world in a successful attempt to redirect the festivities into a Christian mode.

History / A question regarding Christian/Pagan military alliance in First Millenium Central Europe [17]


Why are you so sure this is about the crusade against the Prussians? I have explained that this occurred centuries before. I have already tried to find mention of this on the internet but without any luck. I read about this incident in a book in my University library. You will not find it mentioned on Wikipedia. This is the reason I posted the thread here in hopes that an historian with knowledge about the pre-Christian Western Slavs would read it and recognize the incident.


That is possible Daisy but I distinctly remember it being explained as an alliance between unconverted Pagans and Christians.

History / A question regarding Christian/Pagan military alliance in First Millenium Central Europe [17]


Christianity, regardless of appropriating some Pagan aspects, does not believe in the Goddess. Although it is true that the Virgin centered Roman Catholicism one finds in Poland, and elsewhere, has surely succeeded because it appeals to people whose religious sensibilities are descended from Goddess worshipers. The event I am referring to in this thread occurred at a time when most of the Western Slavic tribes were still Pagan, and still powerful, and the Christians in the region could not yet afford to be arrogant towards them, hence the Pope's apology.

Bratwurst Boy this occured long before the 13th century and is not related to the Prussians.

History / A question regarding Christian/Pagan military alliance in First Millenium Central Europe [17]


You are wrong. It was an actual alliance between Christians and Pagans to defeat a Pagan Slavic tribe not the Pagan Old Prussian Balts. Read my entire post. The converted Poles would not have been fighting under a Goddess banner.