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Trevek   
11 Jun 2010
History / History of European and Poland's anti-semitism [192]

Stalin had no extreme view of Marxism...In fact, he could have cared less about Marxism

Pope JP2 once told Ernest Gellner that there was little point in discussing marxism with jaruzelski as the good general didn't actually know much about it.
Trevek   
11 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / Where do the polish men hang out in Glasgow? [4]

Problem with the Sikorski club is that it's "members" only.

Used to be possible to sign guests in.

haven't been for a few years, but the beer was a hell of a lot cheaper than 'piwo piwo'.
Trevek   
10 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

Just to let you all know, my English cousin and her small daughter had to register for benefits in England having moved in with her partner (my cousin's partner, not her daughter's) and moved to a flat in a rough housing estate. She's been waiting 6 months with no money.

That's how the Brits treat their own. So, going by the nature of this thread, the anti-Polish racism would add about another 10 years onto the waiting time. So, be warned.

Maybe read a few articles in this magazine...
Trevek   
5 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

In one-sixth of British households, not a single family member works. They are not so much without employment as without need of it.

Quite probable. It's called "the benefit trap". At one point (may still be) it was so problematic getting a job because it disentitled you to certain benefits and it cost you more to have a job than not. Example, if you signed on a temp agency and then had no work you were still classed as employed because your name was on their books. Likewise, if you got a short term job then you had to sign off and the procedure for signing back on again took so long that you were in a worse situation.

I imagine things have changed for the better since then, but such things stay in the psyche and parents who grew up that way influence their children. A bit like the villages in Poland where there are whole families living on the grandparents' pension, no work, no future... but still a crowd of men standing outside the village shop drinking beer.

I get the feeling that Brits especially don't understand the Polish system too well of needing to have ZUS paid to access healthcare - they know the UK system of universal insurance and assume that it works like that here, too.

But do they get their information translated into English for them in Poland, the way non-English speakers get theirs in UK?
Trevek   
4 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

Polish and indians are the 2 biggest destroyers of the british economy,

Funny, most of the Indians I know in UK are hard-working and have shops, degrees and high paying professions.
Trevek   
4 Jun 2010
News / Decoded talks inside Poland's president's plane are released in Internet [337]

They lied about the sensitivity of the last few words.

The "jezu" makes them seem like pious individuals on their way to meet their maker. The "k" makes them sound like foul mouthed yobs who could be blamed for a crash... Just at the time that is what they are trying to prove...
Trevek   
4 Jun 2010
Travel / Visiting - Mazury? what else besides the obvious? [15]

If you're around mazury, and feel a little adventurous, try the area around Goldap. There are some quaint little curiosities, like the Mazurian pyramid at Rapa, as well as the hunting stones in the forests where the kaiser shot game. There's also the old viaduct up by the Russian border.

In themselves, perhaps not the most spectacular things, but certainly intriguing.

ognistyptak.pl/en/ogonki-i-okolice
Trevek   
3 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

day centre in victoria in 2006 denied any help or access for homeless from east europe

Really? Do you have proof that was official policy? That's horrendous?
Trevek   
3 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

2007 strawbery fields in kent moorgate: 400 east european employed be "mansfield" company..were drag from poland with promis of minimal wage..end up in moorgate working 16 hr a day-wage?instead of minimal wage they got price work,best one could top up 12 pounds for a day....about 80 pence an hour...those people were sleeping in the park,could not affort accomodation.

That's just a corrupt employer ripping off gullible foreigners. Not anti-Polish racism. If it wasn't poles it would have been somebody else. That kind of thing was happening years before Poland joined EU... a lot of the people who did the recruitment came from the home countries and ripped off their own people.

once got better they just kicked him out from hospital giving hanfull of pills and he end up sliping rough,

Again, that happens to plenty of Brits too. The Polish didn't invent mass homelessness in UK.

"Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London (Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester etc), I'll show you something to make you change your mind!"
Trevek   
3 Jun 2010
Language / Polish and other slavic language differences [60]

Macedonian also doesn't have that back-to-front R for 'ya'. It uses 'ja'.The lack of case conjugations might alert you to it not being Serbian or Russian etc (although I don't think Bulgarian has cases either, does it? But it does have the btf R)

Of course, Moldovian is written in cyrillic but is actually a romance language.

Croatian would be written in Latin script. Bosnian? Not sure.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

And we can make a quick poll here.

If i don't want one, am i showing anti-Pollish tendencies?

sometimes they are tensions between groups.simply they see each others as a competition
mayby its stiupid capitalism system,that sets people against each other

Exactly.

Dobra Noc,
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

Well it is interesting topic and those people takink about some learning french crap...

if you didn't get how that subject arose, then you missed an important point.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

The number of Anti-English Poles...remember the topic?its not about learning french is it?

Yes, we'd rather learn French than Polish... how much more anti-Polish can we be!

Maybe if you removed yourself from the hotel bar for one night you might have discovered the real Paris.

Paris Hilton? She gets everywhere.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

There were around 1/4 million people of Polish origin in Britain even before 2004, many of us speak Polish.

Oh I was aware of that. There is a community where I grew up which stems from war/post-war years. One of my mother's friends is from Vilno. My point being is that it wasn't exactly a language you heard everyday as older Poles tend to speak English to non-Poles.

I took mine in 1990, it was nothing unusual even back then.

Interesting. Was that a state school?

The girl i mention isn't of Polish heritage. She just wants to learn and do the exam.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

Whats GCSEs? British "matura"?

More like Gymnasium final exam.

I think thats fantastic, why the hell should we learn German or French at school when we fought with both of the god awful countries?

So do I. Jemma, a member of the forum, is a teenager in a London school with over 65 different cultures represented. each language group has the right to take exams in their own language. Or, English speakers can take a language exam in another language.

I grew up in Shropshire in 1970/80's and learned french. I met one French person in over 20 years of living there. Alternatively, I knew a number of Yugoslavs, Asians and Poles in the area (including a Sebian community down the road).
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

There is anti Polish sentiment amongst the British working class.

Are you surprised? They have had their wages forced down because the Poles are used as cheap labour (obviously not the fault of the migrant workers); people who have been about to move into new houses have suddenly been notified the housing is not available (because a firm has hired all the accom for their migrant workers); and people who rely on cheap housing and facilities have seen them snapped up (or priced up) due to the demand by incomers.

I don't agree with racism or bigotry BUT it is not surprising when this happens. If a couple of million Chinese workers came to Poland you would find a similar reaction.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

To be honest, i dont see anything wrong in that, if someone wants to live in Poland then should try to learn Polish.

What if you are a student studying in Poland, or someone who has come to work. We have had Americans come to work at our school, or newly arrived Brits (sometimes ones who have married Poles, like myself) and nobody at the office speaks anything except Polish to you. A bit frustrating when you need specific information about something.

And do you have traslators specially for Polish ppl???

Well, considering polish wasn't the most spoken language in UK I think they're doing well trying to find them.

I recently found out that it is possible to take GCSEs in Polish language in British state schools.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

What bugs me about threads like this is that British citizens have been experiencing similar problems with institutions for years, but as soon as a Pole experiences them then it must be anti-Polish racism.

I recall some years ago I was being chased by the local council in a large city for non-payment of council tax, although the house was full of students. I was the one stupid enough to communicate with them so it was my name they had. When I said we were all students, they wanted proof for the whole year backdated. Two of the studes were foreigners (german and Soth African) and had returned home BUT I was still supposed to provide proof. The woman said I should have filled out the form they sent me. I said they hadn't sent me anything. they realised they hadn't... but it was still my fault!

Obviously, they didn't have any Poles to be racist to at that time so they were practising on me.

Stories of late money, lost claims etc were rife looooong before Poles got into the system. I recall filling in forms for housing benefit and waiting months, only to be told I hadn't filled in the forms which were needed, as they were different ones. To this day i still don't know why they gave me the forms they did when I signed on. Another time I had some office woman telling me I'd filled my form in incorrectly because I claimed I'd been out of the country for 12 months, "That's wrong, cos you weren't living there, you were only working in macedonia" (as if I was coming home for meals?) Now, obviously, if I was a Pole it would be "anti-Polish racism!"

People seem amazed that when the population surges by a million that the system has the odd hiccup. Of course, Polish administration wouldn't have any problems, would it?

But, how about being a Brit in Poland. A local immigration office where nobody speaks English (or even German) and just talk to you in Polish without slowing down or asking if you need a translator.

Banks with no translators, so you just have to hope your Polish is good enough to understand the terms of the credit card. Free bank transfers to Uk... hahah!

GE Moneybank who refused me credit, despite having my own firm, paying regular ZUS and tax, because... there was no PESEL number on my id card. I showed them the document from the local ratusz but NO! It must be on your id. Even te immigration office rolled their eyes at that one... "Tell these guys that such a card doesn't exist for you!" But no, GE knew better. Of course, if that had happened in UK to a Pole it would have been racism. I consider it bloody racism because I was a foreigner with a government issued card who'd been living in the country a number of years and paying tax and ZUS.

Trying to get 5 year credit at a car showroom... "No, there's only three years left on your id (that thing which gets renewed when I need a new one!) and you might run away back to UK." My Polish wife commented that if they gave her the credit she'd run away the next day. Blatant racism... oh no, it couldn't be because I'm in Poland and should just accept it. If i was Polish in Uk, of course...
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
UK, Ireland / The number of Anti-English Poles... [228]

It's just a proportion of guys that have a problem.

Exactly, if they were at home they'd be anti-something else. Wherever they are the grass is always greener, so they p1ss on it.
Trevek   
2 Jun 2010
Language / Polish and other slavic language differences [60]

Macedonian has no cases (unlike Polish) and had an article (definite, I believe) and uses cyrillic. It also has no 'w' (ł) sounds. I believe the alphabet only has 32 letters.