History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Rebuffed by whom? You? Nobody takes you seriously, so nothing has been rebuffed so far.

kunikovsreviews.blogspot.com/2007/02/europe-at-war-1941-1945-by-norman.html

But it's also stated in Oxfordjournals (for which you have to subscribe) and a couple of other sources in writing, apparently not online as far as I can see, but if I have time, I will find them.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Here you go:

(on "Europe at war 1941-145)



You need more? I will be happy to provide you with more, now go drown yourself (in alcohol) or do sth else useful.


Same could be said about you.

And about the sarcasm, what a lousy way to admit that you didn't get it. Go join that nitwit Sokidoki in his drinking spree.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Like I care about your opinions. Well if they were so glorious and strong and good as it's been portrayed here, it would be a piece of cake for them now, wouldn't it? But it's ok if you don't see the sarcasm in that question. I wonder if you even would recognize it if you stumbled over it. You have to be smart to recognize sarcasm and intelligence is not your strong point, isn't it?

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M-G (and then to think that you could be on my fb page without me knowing it - scares a bit)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Side show being Yugo and main attraction being PL? Pls leave this discussion. You have nothing to add except bytching at me. You're a useless, sad person. And I feel truly sorry for you that your only objective seems to be bytching at me.


Ah the ignorant, insecure little racist rat rears his hideous head again. Davies is a biased historian, who is not completely neutral and as with all not neutral historians, you constantly have to doubt any work. Baselessly? Well, being a historian myself, I've had quite some discussions with fellow historians about the reliability of Davies' work. Not only about PL, but also his previous works. Some facts he presents, like indeed the crux-evidence of the AK being the biggest resistance army in Europe, are simply not true and are very easily rebuked. It has nothing to do with my preference for countries. Just as a historian.

But of course you wouldn't see it that way as you are indulging yourself in sad and pathetic feelings of blame and being mistreated as a Pole. How do they dare to critisise the glorious nation of Poland? Grow up.


Non of the sorts. This goes about his previous works as well. Why is Davies so well liked? Because he confirms all Polish myths.

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M-G (guess Brown would've called Sokidoki and Beëlzebibi also bigots and don't blame them)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]

Yet another nag. Grow up, get used to it. Massive influx of immigrants creates unease feelings with the locals. And what you'd expect? 100.000's of Polish ppl, willing to work below minimum wage. Can feel threatening. I don't agree to that feeling of fear, personally, but it's still there and it's an explanation. And besides, why are Poles allowed to make nasty remarks about other ppls and yet scream blue murder when sb makes a nasty remark about them? So stop whinging and whining about "how scared" you feel. Nobody's gonna hurt you. It's just a freaking debate, if there is one, that is and if it isn't all in your head.

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M-G (now go make me some decent coffee)

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]

Will you stop nagging pls? Thanks.

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M-G (Poles are by far the biggest group of E-European immigrants, so naturally they will call the majority "Poles")

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Agreed, Norman Davies is not a serious historian. It's like the Simon Shama complex: Shama is an American historian who wrote many books about Dutch history, but the "facts" he presents in those books are mainly based of myths and common misconceptions. Same goes for Davies. But what is more serious: most Poles use him as proof: "look, a non-Polish historian says so too!". And of course, the Polish historians who claim the opposite are conveniently called liar, while they DID perform SERIOUS research, contrary to Davies.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

That's strange because when you look up Armia Kraiova on Wiki, it says following:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armia_Krajowa

Furthermore, the Yugoslav Partisans consisted of about 800.000 men, twice the AK.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans


Yeah, if only he says sth that is favourable for PL, like most of his books. And all the Poles swallow his nearly nonsensical works as sweet pies because they confirm what they have told themselves such a long time. He is willing to co-operate in Polish myth-forming. And that is a bad thing to do for a historian.


Yes - and I have won ;)

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Nope. Yugoslavia had the biggest resistance army in Europe and in fact, in the world. If you don't agree with this, then answer me the following question: if the AK was the biggest in the world, why didn't it liberate PL by itself? The Yugoslavs did. The Yugoslav partizans liberated Yugoslavia without the help of any foreign army. There's also an indication of how huge Tito's army was. At least much bigger than the AK.


Norman Davies gets a hardon from everything Polish. He is strongly biased in some of his books and is generally regarded as not really reliable a source. It's like Simon Schama.

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M-G (and yes, another Polish myth busted)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Well, if you'd bothered to read my posts, you would've known :)


He was afraid the long line of his attacking force would be attacked from the flank and in order to re-group, he halted them for a few days. Has nothing to do with brotherly feelings for the British, yet it still remains one of the biggest mistakes he made. But that's just in hindsight.

Edit: however, he did hope until the early May-days of 1940 that he still could make some sort of peace-arrangement with the British. He did view them as a fellow Germanic ppl, which of course they are.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


If Hitler didn't halt his troops out of fear for an attack on his flanks, he would have captured the entire British army and he could basically just swim over to the UK and take it with a walking stick. Dunkirk is one of the time that Britain was saved from utter defeat. BoB was a stupid idea in the first place. If Hitler wanted to win the war, he should have shipped his men for Britain straightaway and would have occupied the island. At the time he was strong enough to do so and with the British army POW, there would hardly any resistance. This doesn't mean he might have won the war, but he for sure would've prolonged it for an indefinitive time. The US would have joined the war anyway because of Japan and Germany's alliance with that country, but where would the Americans be stationed? Ireland? Iceland? North Africa? It would've become quite troublesome.

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M-G (but the British were initially lucky and after that held out)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Au contraire. I truly and genuinely feel sorry for you - nothing to add, only bytching about ppl whom you disagree with. A sad life you must have, so I feel sorry for you.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


In NL they are being acknowledged for sure. There are memorials and monuments for the brave Polish soldiers and the ppl have never forgotten them. During the Cold War there was a steady stream of help for PL from NL during wintertimes.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Of course. I was just being curious, that's all ;)

Edit: I care for my weaker fellow human being, that must make me a lefty: that's why I read Beëlzebubibi's posts in the first place, because I feel sorry for her. It's ok that she doesn't understand my moniker. I completely understand that.

Grin.

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M-G (Italian coffeemakers are fine, they're freaking expensive and leak just as quick as the other ones - Cookworks for a tenner from Argos is going to be my next brand coffeemaker)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


What's bad about being a lefty? What's wrong with caring about your (weaker) fellow human being, something the right-wing is not particularly known for, isn't it?

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M-G (it's gonna be a cheap coffeemaker this time, I tell ya!)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


Stop nagging about it, then. This thread is about the Polish blame culture, which in fact is true. Poles allow themselves to blame everything and everybody for their mishap. That's what this thread is about, not about Britains failure to glorify the immortal Polish heroes.

And about my nonsense; what useful contribution have you made, Beëlzebubibi?

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M-G (damn, coffeemaker leaks!)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

Well, that's how Beëlzebubibi usually acts when she doesn't agree to stuff, Harry. You should know by now. She doesn't contribute at all, merely posting how smart and intelligent she thinks she is towards ppl she doesn't agree with. Don't waste energy, just a Canadian bimbo :))


Correctly, my son. There was indeed some Polish research concerning the Chiffriermaschine Enigma, but it wasn't as conclusive as being stated here. The breakthrough indeed came with the capture of the codebooks.

As for the rest of the claims that without Polish help victory for the Allies wasn't pssbl, that's plain nonsense. Of course, the Poles contributed and they are honoured for that, maybe not in Britain, but for certain where I come from and in other countries as well.

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M-G (tiens, tiens)

Life / Saw a girl in black openly smoking a spliff on a Katowice street today [49]


And what happened, did your dcik fall off?

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M-G (curious)

Life / I'm from Polish descent. CAN YOU GUYS EXPLAIN THE EU TO ME? [115]


True, Bratwurst; they would lose their raison d'être on this forum. What kind of difference does it make if Jews buy up Polish stuff, American stuff or Farawayistan stuff? I don't get paid a penny less or more if they do. Nobody else on this forum does as well. So, what does it matter? Nothing at all. Just jealousy.

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M-G (tiens)

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


No, it means nothing. Why? Because you weren't alive before WW2, so there is nothing to change as such. You were born in certain circumstances, and that is your life. Your life is not altered, your grandparent's life has altered due to WW2, not your life, because the circumstances were already altered before you were born. Therefore it's nonsese for the current generation to nag and whine about sth that happened 70 years ago when they were not alive anyway. Their parents or grandparents were allowed to, but not they themselves.

In short, your life's not changed, because you haven't experienced what it was like before it all changed.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Michał Kamiński - referred to not by name on the UK Leaders Debate but ... [47]


it's only natural: after a period of Labour governments, ppl want Tories. After a period of Torie governments, the ppl want Labour. It has always been like that and it will never change.

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M-G (tiens)

News / Michał Kamiński - referred to not by name on the UK Leaders Debate but ... [47]

I actually worry about you a bit, my friend; all this deep hatred...Do you wake up at night, bading in cold sweat and seeing images of Tony and Gordon?

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M-G (I would suggest simply deny the fact that a Labour party exists)

News / Crash of Tu-154 at Smolensk-North--could it have been a bomb in the Polish plane? [233]


Yes, and it was Tadeusz himself who pulled the trigger. He couldn't leave any witnesses, now, could he?

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M-G (the contra(ception)-revolution won't be televised)

News / Michał Kamiński - referred to not by name on the UK Leaders Debate but ... [47]


Have you ever considered professional help?

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M-G (concerned)

Love / My boyfriend is on a Polish dating site [158]


Hm, one solution: go on dating websites too :) And what made you go there in the first place?

News / Crash of Tu-154 at Smolensk-North--could it have been a bomb in the Polish plane? [233]

I believe it was the very strict Catholics that created this accident. They did that to kill Maria Kaczynska who had signed a petition against an abortion-law some years ago. Anybody thought of that? Or is it just the BAD Russians per sé that want to kill Lech, while it could've been Maria as well who could be target of extremist Catholics in their depraved way of stopping all forms of progress?

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M-G (didn't Tadeusz Rydzyk call her a witch?)

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Have a look at this:


Article 245, Article 247 (in Dutch)

Age of consent was lowered from 18 to 16 in 1990. Nothing wrong with that.

/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

The Vatican is the youngest with 12, followed by Spain with 13.

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M-G (no time)

News / Crash of Tu-154 at Smolensk-North--could it have been a bomb in the Polish plane? [233]


No, thinking of worldwide conspiracies is an act of intelligence. And your last remark I regard as an insult. Tiens, Joe, after so many conspiracies with -in your case- always the Jews behind it, you cannot be that surprised that ppl start reacting like that. You would do the same if I were to come with all kinds of nonsense theories to explain any mishap that happens to the world, and in which it's always the Polish Americans that are the evil geniuses behid it.


How do you know if it's misinformation? And if it is, how do you know that it's deliberate? You perhaps know yourself that in the immediate aftermath of a big event like this, reporting is dazzled and reports are confusing. It always takes some time for the sediments to settle down and the water to clear. It's only then that one gets correct information.

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M-G (thinks Joe should spend more energy in trying to make beautiful music - would be a lot more useful than this nonsense)

News / Crash of Tu-154 at Smolensk-North--could it have been a bomb in the Polish plane? [233]

Hey, it's the JEWS again, isn't that so, Joe? I knew it was them. It had to be them, right, Joe?
What are you doing? Trying to reclaim your number one spot as leading conspiracy theorist from Olga?

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M-G (tiens)

News / Crash of Tu-154 at Smolensk-North--could it have been a bomb in the Polish plane? [233]


Is it? I am sure neither you nor Olga would shed one word if it would happen. You should know better than to call me a racist.

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M-G (and African ppl can be white too, you know)