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Paulina

4 Jan 2013

Language / Polish Language - Basic concepts [52]

Exactly how many rules does the preposition z have?

I have no idea ;D
All I can is give some examples:

"Ten stół jest zrobiony z tego dużego drzewa, które rosło za stodołą."
"This table is made out of that big tree, which was growing behind the barn."

"To jabłko spadło z tego dużego drzewa."
"This apple fell from this big tree."

"Gdzie idziesz z tym drzewem?"
"Where are you going with this tree?" (it would imply someone is carrying a small tree or firewood)

Now you can tell me it's easier to learn the sentences like a child does, but my above example is already throwing up problems.
Tbh, the more i know, the harder it gets. Now i have virtually given up speaking in Polish, because i am analysing every word and wondering which case etc it's in.
At least everyone understood me before,even when my Polish was really bad. Trouble is i don't want to speak broken Polish for the rest of my life:(:(

Speak Polish no matter if it's broken or not! There's no other way! xD I'm a perfectionist too, but you can't get always everything right, you have to accept that ;) Talk to Poles, discuss with them, observe how they write in Polish, how they speak in Polish. Nobody's writing in the "Rozmowy po polsku" section of the forum! Unbelievable! I was discussing with Russians using a Polish-Russian translator, for God's sake! xD And I don't have a Cyrillic keyboard! ;D

Oh, and:

"Co się stało z tym dużym drzewem?"
"What has happened to this big tree?"

"Coś złego dzieje się z tym dużym drzewem."
"Something bad is happening to this big tree."

Paulina

4 Jan 2013

Language / Polish Language - Basic concepts [52]

and that instead of saying "w sadie" the correct form is "w sadzie". In fact, in these two examples, and in fact most of the time in general, the "wrong", systematic form would sound almost identical anyway, so it's not a problem if you start off using it.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that it would sound almost identical in case of "w sadie" vs "w sadzie", to be honest... As in "Ty gadie!" vs "Ty gadzie!" Or "na paradie" vs "na paradzie". But maybe it's because I'm a native speaker. Anyway, people would probably understand what you're saying but would think that you're Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian, as "w sadie" is a very "Russian" way of pronouncing Polish words :)

This process should certainly occur in the minds of the native speakers of Polish, otherwise we wouldn't be able to use correctly nouns like mężczyzna, cieśla, kolega, poeta (nouns of masculine gender, but ending in -a).

You know, when I look at this thread I think that I'd probably give up if I were a foreigner trying to learn Polish... lol It all looks so complicated o_O

Paulina

1 Jan 2013

Love / Polish woman and black/mixed-race guy...... [49]

I agree with kaz200972 on this - it doesn't look good.

She wrote she's "very proud of being British".

Also: /wiki/Nationality

Nationality is the legal relationship between an individual human and a Nation state.[1] Nationality normally confers some protection of the individual by the state, and some obligations on the individual towards the state. What these rights and duties are vary from country to country.[2] It differs technically and legally from citizenship, although in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state and all citizens are nationals of the state.

I'm also not irritated by him being "exotic" or whatever. The only thing I don't get is:

Where can I meet Polish woman aged 18-23 in Krakow/Katowice?

Where can you meet British women aged 18-23 in London? In clubs, perhaps? lol ;)

He even was silly enough to ask if Polish girls speak English and if they teach English in schools.

Oh, don't be so harsh, Tommy :) At least he didn't bring rolls of toilet paper to Poland in case there weren't any as some very white two English men from the North of England I've met did ;)

Paulina

14 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

If there is one thing that Germans are paranoid about, then it's their brown past. Believe it or not, but no institution would survive the firestorm in the public, the mass media and the political circles should
there be even the slightest hint of fascist behavior.

I can imagine. But "discriminatory" or "overzealous" doesn't equal "fascist". It's not like social workers are crying "Sieg Heil!" and wear brown shirts LOL ;)

Latest example - although not directly related to this thread - is probably Thilo Sarrazin and his book.

Is it true that his book has become a bestseller in Germany and according to polls "almost half of the German population (including SPD members) agree with Sarrazin's political views"? (That's what I've just read in the Wikipedia, I've never heard of this guy or his book before lol).

You need to see the context:

I know the context, but I'm not polonius :)

No, you didn't claim that, but some of the sources you linked did.

Which ones?

In the end it's always the kids who are the victims.

Yeah, unfortunately... I guess that's why it gets me.

Paulina

13 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

And I gave you the answer: I cannot be certain because I don't know all the details and haven't heard both sides. I actually expected you to give me the same answer - despite the rather controversial headline of the ABP page.

OK, I guess I'm "Lost in Quoting" already, sorry ;)

One case alone or a handful don't prove that a whole organization discriminates against foreigners.

How do you know it's one case or a handful? I don't know how many they are. Judging by the bad press this institution has there may be more. I just gave those examples, because that was all I was bothered to look for.

I also don't claim that a whole organization discriminates against foreigners but judging by what I've read I see that the problem is not necessarily made up to serve someone's agenda. It may actually exist.

There might have been isolated incidents where a case worker was a xenophobe, but there a millions of other cases where that was not the case. The Jugendamt is painted with a broad Nazi brush here, and that's simply not correct.

How do you know? (and it's you who brought up the Nazis this time)

I will answer that tomorrow, okay.

OK.

Paulina

13 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

Blown out of proportion - your opinion?

But I've asked you first :)) You don't think it's blown out of proportion? Then how about this?: Your comment was: "Americans bother everyone if it helps to get their way"

There are so many complicated and unfortunate cases out there, it's unbelievable. If you are interested, here's one source that looks trustworthy:

That's a lot of reading - could you pinpoint to something specific, a quote or two? I don't mean child abductions, but cases similar to those with the Jugendamt.

How do you know it does? Running in circles... :)

Well? Do you know? Or don't you?

As I said before: without knowing all the details and without hearing both sides, it's difficult to get an educated opinion about these cases.

Btw, are you sure this ABP is an unbiased source?

Be confident that ABP World Group will carefully investigate your case and provide you with the evidence uncovered to help you can determine the truth. Our methods are discrete and always professional.

LOL

This firm is probably American and I can imagine Americans hire them, rather than Poles ;)

Paulina

13 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

I don't like right-wing politicians - Polish or otherwise.

I knew it :) Can't blame you though ;P On the other hand liberals and left-wing politicians can be irritating too ;)

Well, you ASSUME - maybe that is the problem? :)

So you say we both have a problem? :)))

My example of the Child Protection Agency was only an answer to:

But you've started this earlier with Poland and Hague Abduction Convention, even before I wrote anything on this thread.

Not about the Polish version of the Jugendamt, but about Polish courts mishandling international child abduction cases.

So, in this case you also believe those who complain forget to mention certain negative details, or those complaints are simply blown out of proportion to serve someone's agenda?

I agree that there are cases where people were treated unfairly or where the Jugendamt made wrong decisions, but nationality has absolutely nothing to do with it.

How do you know it doesn't?

Americans bother everyone if it helps to get their way... :)

And Germans are control freaks? ;)

There are definitely problems in handling international cases, but that's not a particular German problem.

I would think that too, but I've heard only about Germany and Norway, I think - as far as immigrants are concerned. There are many immigrants in France or in the UK, but I haven't heard any complaints about such institutions in those countries.

Paulina

13 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

Well, I'm Australian with Polish and German ancestors, but that has nothing to do with my opinion here.

So maybe it's because you don't like Polish right-wing politicians? :)

First and foremost, institutions like the Jugendamt or the American Child Protection Agency are there to protect children. I don't give a flying hoot whether parents feel discriminated against or their human rights violated as long as the kids are safe and the actions of the authorities involved are both justified and legal. In the case of Pomorski it was justified because of the domestic violence,

How would he be abusing his children by speaking to them in Polish? (btw, was he convicted by the court for domestic violence?)
What if a lot of cases are not justified like the one of Joseph Cooke?
You know how the saying goes - there's no smoke without fire.
For example, a woman named Lila writes here: dyskryminacja-berlin.de/nasze-cele-sukcesy.html that with the help of that Polish society she won the case in the court. She wrote that the judge almost yelled at the Jugendamt representative. Of course, we can assume that this woman lies. But why don't we assume that a social worker can do wrong things too?

in the case of the Romeikes it was justfied and legal because they knowingly broke the law. I believe that at least half of the complaints against the aforementioned institutions are either based on manipulated facts where one parent "forgets" to mention certain negative details, or they are simply blown out of proportion to serve someone's agenda.

Yes, you BELIEVE. And that's the problem, I guess...

iThat doesn't mean that I back everything these institutions do or that I agree to state arbitrariness. If someone is really treated unfairly or his rights are violated, something needs to be done - no matter which country. But before we believe what some sources on the web claim, let's get all the facts first and then point the finger.

But you are pointing the finger. At Poles, at Polish media, you're writing about hypocrisy and skeletons in the closet, although you don't really know what's going on. You don't know how it's like, the problem doesn't concern you.

Who is defensive now... ;)

In what way am I defensive? I'm not a right-wing politician and I'm not even their electorate :) And it's not me argumenting in the lines: "Oh, but they beat the blacks in America!" (a Polish expression used in a satiric way ;)) By writing that I was just trying to make you think a little "outside the Western box", but I probably failed, as usual ;)

No, I meant what happens if there is suspected child abuse for example? Does Poland have something like the Jugendamt, and if yes what is its reputation?

I don't know much about it, apparently in cases of domestic violence meetings are supervised by a curator. As far as reputation is concerned I haven't heard any complaints (which doesn't mean they weren't any, of course). Have you?

What cora_b says, sounds quite accurate.

So do you agree there may be a problem with equal treatment of foreign parents?

None of us knows all the details to come to such a conclusion.

True, but also you don't know all the details to claim there's no problem, do you?
To be honest, I doubt that an American president would bother a chancellor of a country which is an ally of USA and the biggest economy in the EU if everything was OK.

I believe that at least half of the complaints

Besides, what about the other half? For me that would be enough to call it a problem.

Paulina

13 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

TheOther, I've already read about this particular case and I know what it's all about, you don't have to explain ;)

There were no human rights violated. Germany is not some war torn, crime ridden hellhole somewhere in the Third World. It is a modern democracy which guarantees human rights.

I'm not saying it's a war torn, crime ridden hellhole where human rights are violated on a daily basis :)))
OK, so I'll share some thoughts with you too :)
You know, I think that's the problem with such thinking: "I live in a Western/European/EU country and there's no way someone's human rights or simply rights could be violated! We are not some Third World country... or Russia." Yes? :) In my opinion such thinking is dangerous because it may make us blind to things happening around us. I've also had such blindfolds in the past even though I live in a country that is also often called a hellhole :) So I can imagine how a Westerner can be blinded and at peace, convinced that everything is OK, etc. ;)

Of course I know that there are always two sides of the story. Although, to be honest, even if the guy was accused of domestic violence I don't understand why wouldn't he be allowed to speak to his children in Polish? If his wife is German or of some other nationality he would be the only one to pass his Polish heritage to his children. I think it's everyone's basic human right. (Yes, I understand that a translator would have to be hired, but I still think it's not fair and should be resolved in a better way).

That's the law of the country - not only in Germany, but also in the US for example (how does it work in Poland, by the way?).

In Poland? I honestly doubt a foreign parent would be forbidden to speak his/hers language to a child. I've never heard of such a case.

I know cases where children were taken away from families and - even though it turned out that the denunciation of the neighbor was a lie - had not been reunited with their families after over a year. "Hitlerjugendamt" ... American style?

The fact that something wrong is going on in USA doesn't make it right when something's wrong is happening in Germany.

n conclusion: don't always believe what you hear or read. There are of course cases where people are treated extremely unfair (in Germany and elsewhere), but a lot of times it's just blown out of proportion to serve the interest of some group or individual.

TheOther, I've been using the internet for quite some time and believe you me when I say that I don't take anything at face value anymore ;)

I've also thought that this Jugendamt thing was blown out of proportion by right-wing politicians but I don't think in this way anymore. It looks like there is a genuine problem (or was, because maybe it was addressed already, I don't know).

Have you read the article at CBS News site? Apparently the problem was big enough for president Clinton to intervene.

Canada seems to be a "hellhole", too ... ;)

It's not about any country being a hellhole ;) I know Germany isn't a hellhole, I've been there and most people were very nice to me and helpful :)

TheOther, are you German or of German origin? If you were a Pole Westerners would claim you're being defensive right now ;))) (I couldn't help myself, oh yeah ;D)

All I'm saying is: don't be so condescending to Poles, because, as you can see, they're not the only ones complaining about the Jugendamt.

And a quote from that example of the German scientist and her daughter. Someone else apparently living in Germany wrote this:

Unfortunately, there is a lot of prejudice in Germany against foreign-born parents speaking their own native language with their children, because it is feared that those children will not learn to properly speak German and thus cause problems in schools. German schools also used to have a problem with bilingual children (I should know, cause I was one) and would prefer that those children did not exist. The situation regarding bilingual children is changing now and bilingualism is more accepted these days. But older teachers, social workers, etc... still see bilingualism as a problem.

Quote from: chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=63149.35;wap2

What do you think about it? Judging by the whole of her comment she seems reasonable and balanced.

Paulina

12 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

The Romeikes could've simply emigrated to the US. Instead they were granted political asylum because a judge decided that he doesn't agree with the laws of a foreign country (read the article I linked in)

I have no idea if they could or couldn't - as I said I don't know much about American immigration law.

a judge decided that he doesn't agree with the laws of a foreign country

So? He doesn't have a right to an opinion? I'm not sure what's the problem.

You really think that's okay? Maybe a German judge should interfere with Polish affairs then?

If human rights would be violated then yes, why not? Western countries and Poland give asylums to political refugees, for example. Are they interfering with affairs of other countries in this way?

That guy was an idiot, simple as that. He was probably upset because the kids were disturbing his sleep, and he threatened the mother.

Sure but in Poland, and I suspect in other countries too, parents wouldn't be trembling because of such a silly thing and such a petty man.

What if he invented something horrible about this family and told the Jugendamt lies out of spite? An institution that works as it should would probably give justice to the family but this Jugendamt? I don't know...

chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=63149.0%3Bwap2

A denunciation by a third party is enough, even when it is not true.

All in all, it sounds scarry.

Also: cbsnews.com/stories/2000/06/01/world/main201844.shtml

It seems Americans had problems too, not only Poles:

German courts have consistently ignored a treaty which requires that custody questions be decided in the country where a child lived, reports CBS News Correspondent Bill Plante.

German courts have made it clear they believe that no matter what a treaty may say, any child is better off in Germany. There are no consequences for not complying with the treaty -- and at least until now, the U.S. government has been more interested in close relations than in separated families.

But the pressure of more than 50 outstanding U.S.-German custody cases brought the issue to the summit, and Schroeder announced that a panel of experts would look into the problem.

Paulina

12 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

Paulina, that is probably the worst example you could've picked. Home schooling is almost always illegal in Germany and the Romeikes thought they could break the law by not sending their kids to school.

OK then what about the story of Dan who attended a private school? And this rather inhuman treatment of both children and parents - not letting the mother to visit the kid as often as she and the boy wanted, not telling her where he is?

Besides, there are other examples. Here are notes from people thanking the society that was already mentioned in this thread for advice and legal help when they had problems with the Jugendamt: dyskryminacja-berlin.de/nasze-cele-sukcesy.html

In the end they fled the country and asked for "asylum" in the US. It's a bad joke that an American judge dared to interfere with the internal affairs of another country. This one was discussed on PF as well, by the way.

"dared to interfere with the internal affairs of another country" ;) You sound like a Chinese communist complaining about a democratic government giving an asylum to a political refugee :P Of course it's not the same and I don't know much about American immigration law but if homeschooling is legal in the US and that family decided to live there then why the judge shouldn't give them the opportunity to do so?

Always convenient to mention the Nazi past of Germany. That way they don't have to worry too much about their own skeletons in the closet. Very popular instrument in politics as the Greek crisis shows.

Apparently not only parts of the Polish media and certain politicians do that, Americans do that too ;)
Of course bringing up the Nazis is sensationalism and over the top, but the example of this Polish woman asking for advice at mypolacy.de made me wonder what kind of atmosphere must be created by the Jugendamt if normal parents are so scared of it o_O

Another example from some Canadian guy: A German example:

I've also heard that in Norway or some other Scandinavian country there's a similar problem with a similar institution and that it's also being accused of making money on breaking up families.

Listen, I'm not anti-German nor anti-Norwegian LOL I just think that if all of this is true it's simply horrible and shouldn't take place.

How would you feel if your neighbour threatened you that he'll report you to such organisation because your kid is staying up late? I mean, is this normal in the West or what? o_O

Paulina

12 Dec 2012

News / PiS wants symmetry for minorites living in Poland [71]

That parts of the Polish media and certain politicians are pointing the finger at Germany is simply hypocritical.

Well, I guess not only parts of the Polish media and certain politicians are pointing the finger at the Jugendamt:

In January, the Romeikes, a German homeschool family, were granted asylum in the U.S. after an immigration judge ruled that Germany and the Jugendamt had violated their human rights. Mike Donnelly, with the Home School Legal Defense Association, was one of the attorneys for the Romeikes.

"The judge said that this policy was repellent to everything that we as Americans believe," Donnelly said. "He felt that these were basic human rights. These were the kinds of rights that no country had a right to deny their people. "
The Jugendamt undoubtedly does some good, somewhere, but it also has gained an international reputation as a ruthless organization that takes children from good families and wrecks homes.

Also, I've googled a little and I've found a thread at a forum for Poles living in Germany. One Polish woman is asking for an advice and, to be honest, for me it's rather surreal and a bit scarry o_O

Here's the link: mypolacy.de/forum/topic/jugendamt,7231

I'll try to translate:

Hi, I have this question, my German neighbour wants to report us to the Jugendamt because our son (20-month old) plays up to 10 p.m., I already try to put him to bed at 10:00 p.m,. but the neighbour often comes at 9:30 p.m. and says that the boy should already be in bed and so on, I think that he can easily still play up to 10:00 p.m. Lately he left a piece of paper under our door saying that he will report us to the Jugendamt. Does he have the right to do this??

However, as far as Kaczyński is concerned, I think he's a populist demagouge and his proposition is simply amoral and not fair to the German and Lithuanian minorities.

Paulina

3 Jun 2012

Language / Meanings of 'stkę' [14]

Jak miałem 19-stkę

19-stkę = dziewiętnastkę

It means: "When I was 19 years old" :)
It can also mean "When I was having a 19th birthday party".
Usually in Poland we call the 18th birthday party in this way: "osiemnastka" (18-stka). It's a bit like "sweet 16" in the US I suppose - a big party.

Paulina

2 Jun 2012

News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

This is a very positive (maybe even too positive, I don't know ;)) statement by a basketball player, Michael Ansley, who lives in Poland (it's his answer to Sol Campbell):

youtube.com/watch?v=TqqDOhlylhM
Very nice of him :)

Paulina

1 Jun 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

Oh, OK :)
Well, then I guess some rules should die out, at least that one with a man stretching out his hand first being rude or bad mannered, because that's just silly, in my opinion ;)

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

Jason. the way you narrated the handshaking incident bought a smile to my face :). You, Sir, do have a gift with words :)

I agree, it made me laugh too :)

Am looking forward to the trip :)

Have a great time! :)

it's just that between a man and a woman the woman should initiate it so a man stretching out his hand first may be considered rude or bad mannered

Never heard of it o_O It's definitely not like that where I live (Southern Poland). God, I would never consider a man stretching out his hand first rude or bad mannered - quite the opposite! xD

Strzyga, where do you live?

Paulina

31 May 2012

News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Foreigner4, thank you for the voice of reason ;)

Paulina

31 May 2012

News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Nothing about Yugoslavia

It's on the map ;) Look:
demotywatory.pl/3815594/BBC

Quite funny really.

And rather embarrassing.

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

She stared at my awaiting paw like it was a dead rat. I just stood there, arm out, smiling awkwardly. Finally, after an excruciating wait, she gingerly cupped a couple of fingers and mincingly wiggled my hand.

Haha, that must've been an awkward situation, I feel for you ;D

My dad taught me that you ALWAYS take a proffered hand, even from Satan himself.

Of course, that girl was either rude or weird :P Or you somehow caught her by surprise and she was in some utter shock, I really don't know how to explain this xD

You always shake an extended hand, always - it's just basic manners ;)

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

In what way? I hope you didn't get slapped in the face for shaking some girl's hand? ;D

Hmm, well, when I think about it, Polish girls and women aren't probably used to shaking hands as much as Polish men. Polish men shake their hands, but not so much with women. And women usually don't shake hands of other women, unless it's some official or businesslike situation.

I guess unconsciously we consider it "a man's gesture" ;)

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

since what seems socially acceptable here (Like the handshaking you mentioned) might seem rude or offensive.

Handshaking isn't definitely rude or offensive, jasondmzk is exaggerating a bit, I think ;) People in Poland are in general less outgoing and probably more shy than in the US and Canada and I guess less touching is involved as far as strangers are concerned or people you just met.

If you're young and you're meeting young people you don't have to necessarily shake hands (you can just say "Hi!" or wave your hand or whatever) but you can. Introduce yourself, extend your hand and the other person will shake it, no matter whether it's a man or a woman. Even in case of adults you don't have to necessarily shake hands, you can just say "Dzień dobry" and nod your head or sth.

But shaking hands is normal and acceptable. I wouldn't make a big deal about it ;)

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

And thank you, Paulina and Trevek.... Since here in Alberta sometimes we refer to Poles as Pollacks. I assumed it was alright to refer that way. Thank you again for clearing up my misconception :)....

No problem :)

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

Calling Pollaks in Poland Pollacks is OK. :):):):)

No, it isn't ;) In Polish it's "Polacy" :) Poles don't like being called "Polacken" by Germans and those who know English and know something about American culture often don't like word "Pollacks". I don't like it :) So it's always better to keep this in mind when in Poland, just in case.

Paulina

31 May 2012

Life / Require a few pointers on Do's and Dont's in Poland [25]

From my observation people of different skin colour feel pretty comfortable in Warsaw. But I guess someone who lives there will know better than me.

Don't call Poles "Pollacks" and you should be fine lol ;)

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

I am from Ireland.

Well, that's why I asked you what's the focus in the West...

I already said they were but not in great detail.

Oh, OK.

Mind you,the Roma were Gassed starting 1st august 44,I guess Poles have other things to remember on that day....BTW,ironic because it was a Polish made film called "And The Violins Stopped Playing" .

OK, I'm tired and only now I've read carefully this comment ;P
Isthatu2, to be honest I've had no idea when first Roma people were gassed. I also have no idea when first Jews were gassed and when first Poles were gassed (in Auschwitz-Birkenau or any other camp). Maybe I've read about it, but I simply don't remember.

People died in camps all the time so I didn't realise there were some dates to remember (I've always had a problem with remembering dates anyway ;P). I really doubt ordinary Poles or any other nation have such detailed knowledge of the history of Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

So why the sarcasm?
You think that there's not enough focus on Porajmos?

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

I meant in Poland the main focus was on Poles, Polish Jews and other Jews from around Europe.
Although Ramani were mentioned, I only found out some of the details recently.

And how it looks in the West? What's the focus there? Are the Roma people mentioned?

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Paulina,stop trolling :)

What? How come I suddenly started "trolling"? What are you talking about?

Do you seriously not know what happened on 1 August 1944?!

1 August? Warsaw Uprising. Why?

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

is it not true that most schools around Europe avoid the holocaust untill age 15?

Erm, I don't think so... Not in Poland at least.
The war, occupation and death camp literature at Polish language classes begins in full swing only in highschool but before that we have history lessons at secondary school.

Re,what am I talking about....shame on you if you are Polish and August the 1st 1944 doesnt mean anything to you :(

I was asking what you meant by this:
"I guess Poles have other things to remember on that day..."

The focus is on Poles and Polish Jews.

Only Polish Jews? And what about the rest of European Jews?
Are you sure about Poles? ;)

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

I have only recently read about Romani in WWII death camps, unfortunately it has not had the publicity that it should have had in my life.

Ironically,seeing as the way some are taking this,it was only through my buying a cheap video years ago that I learnt about the persecution.

Really? I've learned about this at school.
Is it only about Jews in the Western history books...?

I guess Poles have other things to remember on that day...

What are you talking about?

Paulina

27 Jan 2011

News / Pubs in Poznan kick out Roma? [256]

Analogously, some obscure policy of private business, Pub where as I understand they can refuse to serve anybody they want to, is seen and advertised as racist, discriminatory

Ironside, it is discriminatory...

and prove that Poles are racists !

I've read on this forum a thread about Gypsies, I think the title was something about Roma women with children begging in the streets. I was quite shocked by the attitude of British (maybe American too) people writing there, calling them "gypos", etc. And I remember that Harry reacted only to a comment written probably by a Pole and not to those written by the foreigners. That was... "interesting".