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boletus   
12 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Agree, Wikiquote is the only a quick and rough way to knowledge. But go ahead, be my guest and search then study some serious historical books. You apparently need this since you know nothing about Piłsudski.

And you will find that wiki quotes are actually very accurate. Even Kaczyński quotes them over and over again:
In 2010, after lost presidential election and few days ago he quoted part of this Piłsudski's expression:

Być zwyciężonym i nie ulec to zwycięstwo, zwyciężyć i spocząć na laurach to klęska. Kto chce, ten może, kto chce, ten zwycięża, byle chcenie nie było kaprysem lub bez mocy.
- -ródło: dedykacja dla Żołnierza Polskiego, 24 grudnia 1918

To be defeated but not to submit is a victory, to win and then rest on laurels is a disaster. One who wants - he can; one who wants - he wins; providing that wanting it not just a whim or without power.
- Source: dedication to the "Żołnierz Polski" magazine, December 24, 1918

boletus   
12 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

wonder what some of the past greats such as John Paul II and Jozef Pilsudski are thinking?

If Piłsudski can hear now you he must laugh at you profoundly. Go see for example Wikiquote, pl.wikiquote.org/wiki/Józef_Piłsudski. Pay attention to his idea of multiculturalism, see what he thought about freedom of religion for national and religious minorities. He was also being accused of treating religion instrumentally:

Pilsudski became a Protestant in order to marry his first wife (Maria Juszkiewicz), who was a divorcee and had a child from her previous relationship. Then Pilsudski returned to the Catholic Church to get married with another woman (Alexandra Szczerbinska)

Just few of his "pearls":
- Poles are a nation of idiots.
- Wonderful nation, only people are kurvas.
- Religion is for people without brains.
boletus   
11 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

During his post-election speech Kaczyński promised to return to power the same way as the Hungarian conservative Fidesz party of Mr. Orban had done - after eight years in opposition. But his choice of words was not very fortunate, since he said that the day will come when "we will move Budapest to Warsaw". Now he is a butt of jokes.

Ironically, Mr. Orban congratulated Mr. Tusk yesterday, calling his party and PO something like close cousins.

Edit. He actually said: "I am deeply convinced that the day will come that we will succeed, and we will have Budapest in Warsaw"
boletus   
11 Oct 2011
Life / WHY DO POLES USE ENGLISH WORDS IN CONVERSATION? [396]

fast food - does not have an equally handy and equally specific term in Polish - szybka żywność - very awkward, szybkie żarcie - good but too colloquial (English term is not slang), szybkie jedzenie? - too ambiguous (jedzenie can be both eating and food)

Self deprecating "tania jadka", a cheap eatery. This is what it actually is. "jadka" - derived from the verb "jadać".

Do not mistake it for "tania jatka", historically - an inexpensive corner butchery at some form of a farmer's market.
boletus   
11 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Sikorski tells a joke about Jarosław Kaczyński:
- What does Jarosław Kaczyński have in common with Józef Piłsudski?
- Apparently they both did not like Sikorski.
boletus   
11 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Gumishu:

- and all your prejudiced media-driven and created views of PiS won't matter because of the voice of the anger of the nation will prevail

The point I am trying to make is that your unprejudiced media - salon24 and all of that - is full of horse manure too. I take on one facet of the Smoleńsk disaster, and I demonstrate how ridiculous your "independent" media is - including professorial authorities.

So I went to your unprejudiced media, such as "Niezależna Gazeta Obywatelska w Opolu", and few other such places, such as dakowski or Salon24. And I tell you, there is nothing to be proud of...

Case 1: Historic introduction. Big minds sometimes make bad predictions

Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax. -- William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, British scientist, 1899.

After the Wright Brothers took off, being ashamed of what he had said, he was hunting European libraries, until the end of his days, to destroy copies of the papers where he made those airlift predictions.

Case 2: Mixing Physics with God is not good
My former classmate, a practising physics professor, a revered author of many papers on magnetism and Quantum Mechanics, one time dean and university president went mad at his ripe stupid age by making ridiculous connections between science and God. He is now a laughing-stock of younger generation physicists.

Case 3: Invoking your authority in a field A does not necessarily work for a field B
Gumishu, be patient with me. This is how we learn about personalities of people involved. So here is a translation from a web page of Prof. Mirosław Dakowski, born 1937, expert in nuclear physics, author of many publications - putting up his authority into the subject of ski jumping - which he may or may not know nothing about. This is the same professor who authoritatively claims that he is in a possession of a proof that the explosion of the fatal Tu154 at Smoleńsk was caused by reasons other than officially delivered by the Russian side. See below and here:

lubczasopismo.salon24.pl/Smolensk2010/post/239280,fizyk-prof-m-dakowski-w-sprawie-katastrofy-smolenskiej

He said, invoking his authority: As a professor of physics, being professionally involved in didactics of the dynamics of motion, conservation laws (momentum, angular momentum, etc.), as well as the strength of materials ...

Gumishu, I can tell you that - as a former university teacher, including teaching those particular subjects - I would be very much ashamed even to mention those fields as my field expertise. Those thingies are not the rocket science, believe me. "Małe piwo" - as we used to say. Heh, heh...

Prof. Dakowski does not show any proof of his claim at all, but his followers (on the URL posted above) - oh, they are all ripe with speculations, talking about low and high accelerations and all of this. Yes, why should they care - they have loud mouth to talk through.

I just happen to have some expertise about shocks, impacts, earthquakes, seismic packaging, and so on. Never I heard on that site any discussion about impulse, power and energy but only about acceleration. In a very simplistic way: the stuff that destroys humans bodies is force (acceleration) times time. Huge acceleration during few microseconds only does not have to be fatal.

Case 4: Zdzislaw Śloderbach - Professor Doctor Engineer, Opole University of Technology, lecturer at the university who has the status of extraordinary professor (???). Specializes in such areas as: the use of mathematics in engineering, solid mechanics, reliability and durability, the theory of elasticity and plasticity, thermal stress, forming technology.

Oh, Gumishu, this must touch the nerve - the guy is from your university. But why is he going again along the same path - invoking his authority to prove something?

From the knowledge of science of strength of materials, which I teach at the Technical University of Opole, and which I deal with professionally and with the history of many other similar disasters...

Maybe he is an expert in strength of materials (I used to teach that subject too), but he is not an expert on flight theory and airplane construction, for sure. Here is what he says:

The fuselage of the aircraft is made of duralumin, 7.5 mm thickness, which is not uniform - it is reinforced by beams and ribs.

To which Tomasz Hypki, altair.com.pl/cz-art-3642, responds:

A researcher from Opole University of Technology said that the plane broke up into small pieces by a vacuum bomb explosion. He is sure of it. He added that the skin thickness was 7.5 mm.

Since I am not expert on this subject, I checked this info on internet. Apparently, the skin thickness varies for various designs - but it is very thin in no load bearing areas (1-2 mm at the top of the plane) to few millimetres at some places at the belly. The TU154 plane supposedly landed on its back...

Miroslaw Dakowski

Malysz can jump 3-4 m further
As a physicist I say: The ski jump dynamics can be significantly improved:

1) Currently, the ski jumpers do not effectively push off the beam. They usually push off with hands, and not all of them do that. Their speed at this point is practically zero. A later squatting in flight adds nothing to the process. However one could add initial 1-2 m/s by leaning back to the horizontal level and strongly pulling from the stomach. It is easy to measure this effect for a jumper on a small hill with the sensors attached. And then improve upon it. The effect is similar to that which could be obtained by jumping from the bar located 0.5 - 1 m higher.

2) During the flight jumper's hands are passive. They do not increase the lift surface. A jumper, who holds his palms flat (even better when wearing mittens and splaying his fingers) will add 2-3% to his lift. Good, lightweight sailor is able to take advantage of it.

Altogether this adds 3-4 m to a jump length. At least that.

Why am I writing about this? Few years ago I tried to interest coach Tajner, Polish Ski Association (PZN), sports journalists. Do not respond to my mails. Kindergarten? Dr. K. from some Aviation Institute, with whom Malysz (and probably others as well) flew in the wind tunnel, admitted that I was right. But he had no clout.

Maybe some reader would like to interest Polish trainers or PZN? Maybe he has more contacts, perseverance and patience than I do?

Some talks are going on, but slowly ...

Of course, I wrote almost everything but details are for those interested.

boletus   
10 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

The problem with PiS is that their opponents do not have to invent anything by themselves; all they have to do is to post verbatim quotes coming from loud mouths of PiS members.

Here is another motto of the week:

We have been unable to persuade more people to join us. Some people are happy with the mess, bliss - such swampy tranquility

- Witold Waszczykowski
Wiciu, you just earned 200 demerit points.

Then there is Adaś, who might or might not loose his job soon:

The PiS spokesman Adam Hofman, asked about the reasons for losing to PO, replied: - This aggressive finish of the PO campaign, this shameful spot that compared people to stadiums' bandits and lack of media reaction meant that many people have believed in black and boorish propaganda.

Oh, how unjust! These things shown on the spot did not happen at all during events sponsored by PiS?! Oh, but there was another monthly anniversary today, let me quote: "The winner is who wins the last! "," End of the election lies!"

Under Wawel Castle
Nearly 500 people came under Katyn cross today to celebrate the eighteenth monthly anniversary of Smolensk disaster. - I am glad that I did not win the seat in Senate because I could not find myself in such a parliament - said Zuzanna Kurtyka. Audience applaused her and shouted, "Klich is a disgrace!", "The rigged election!".

But wait, there is more from lovely Zuzanna:

- We need to approach our future in more substantive way. We need to think about what to do to prevent our country from being destroyed. Yesterday, the Civic Platform government was not elected by the nation, but by society. We're a nation! For the nation, the homeland has its value, and sovereignty is the supreme thing - she said.

Her speech was punctuated by thunderous applause. Kurtyka added that she was sorry for Andrzej Duda, who will sit on the parliamentary benches. - I could not find myself in that parliament. I could not find myself in the Senate together with Bogdan Klich. I could not find myself with members of parliament and senators who voted to extend umbrella of silence over the Smolensk disaster - she said. She added further that the main reason for the PiS defeat in the elections is the media. - We must have our own media! Without it we will not move ahead. Otherwise, we have no chances in today's world. The truth is that power comes with the media, and we just learned about it once again - she said.

I specifically like this gem about nation vs. society. Good 400 demerit points Zuziu!
boletus   
10 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Would you be interested in joining the ruling coalition if the PO-PSL had not enough seats?
- With this result, such as we have, it would be tactless to talk about any coalition with our participation.

Wojciech Olejniczak, MEP, former SLD boss
What a frank observation! :-)
boletus   
10 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

We need to say nothing - your lot lost, why should we justify a thing to you?

Lost? See this:

October 9 - Despite another October victory - in the broadest sense of the word - which means taking a prestigious second place, the steadfast and charismatic leader of the Resistance, the Miraculously Survived Chairman-Prime Minister-Almost President Jarosław Temporarily-Altered-Kaczyński, announces the imminent transfer of Budapest to Warsaw: "I am deeply convinced that the day will come that we will succeed, and we will have Budapest in Warsaw", and he adds that "We will stick to our position" - thus giving the weary public another hope for another victory - taken in its broadest sense - in unspecified future.

Translated from News, Museum of 4th Republic

"Prrresident", Tusk "government"

Well done, just continue following "Da man"

Motto of the week:
"Sooner or later we will win, simply because we are right" - the steadfast and charismatic leader of the Resistance, the Miraculously Survived Chairman-Prime Minister-Almost President Jarosław Temporarily-Altered-Kaczyński
boletus   
9 Oct 2011
Life / Polish Werewolves [30]

strangescience.net/stmons.htm


  • kramons.jpg
boletus   
9 Oct 2011
Life / Polish Werewolves [30]

Here you go Des Essientes,
Krakow, Poland--European werewolves are howling mad over Russian scientists' controversial new plan to blow up the moon!

"It is abundantly clear that this effort is directed at us--none of us are buying this talk about how it's supposed to 'improve the weather,'" fumes Zbigniew Orlowski, chairman of the Pan-European Lycanthropy Association, a Krakow-based support group. "How stupid do they think we are?"

"I suppose we're expected to just sit back and accept this latest effort to drive us into extinction. But we're not going to stand for it."
boletus   
8 Oct 2011
Life / Mosquitoes in Poland [40]

I still maintain that blackfly are much worse than mozzies

I second that.
They bite pieces of your flesh off (not just suck your blood), and those bites itch like hell few days later.

They do not avoid fast flowing water and sandy beaches, and do not even try to do any gardening (without a net) where there is lot of dry leaves and grass.
boletus   
8 Oct 2011
Life / Mosquitoes in Poland [40]

and mosquito's drink what - sweat or eat skin, they are parasites but jeeze? Was that from the biologist aunt? You best get back to school on that one....

No need to be sardonic. Here is what some sources say:

Millions of people alive today will die of a mosquito-transmitted disease. Malaria alone claims some 1,000,000 lives a year in Africa. Other top killers include dengue, yellow fever, and West Nile virus.
But they won't die of AIDS. HIV-infected humans actually have very few virus particles in their bloodstream, and should a mosquito suck one up, it gets killed by the mosquito's digestive system.

discovermagazine.com/2007/aug/20-things-you-didn2019t-know-about-mosquitoes
boletus   
8 Oct 2011
Life / Mosquitoes in Poland [40]

A sissy! I was once dying of thirst and hunger for several hours because I could not take my mosquito net off and I lost my way in swamps because I could not see the sun through the dense cloud of mosquitoes. That was somewhere NW of Wawa, Ontario. [slight exaggeration :-)]

Mosquito is a national bird of Manitoba. They say that their mosquitos are so big that they can carry away a small child.

One of the world's largest statues of a mosquito is a roadside attraction in Komarno, Manitoba, the Mosquito Capital of Canada. That's what they say, but there are many other pretenders to the first prize: one is in Siberia, one in Yellowknife NWT, Canada, etc.

"Komarno" stems from the Ukrainian (Polish as well) word "komar" for mosquito. [This part of Canada was settled in 19th c. by many Ukrainians.] Sculpted in 1984, it is made of steel and has a wingspan of 15 feet. It's also a weathervane, swivelling in the wind.


  • Komarno, Manitoba, the Mosquito Capital of Canada
boletus   
8 Oct 2011
Genealogy / Where is Borchersdorf, Germany, and Kal, Austria? [16]

I suppose that KAL could be somewhere in Slovenia

Kal, Slovenia

Google translates the Slovenian word "Kal" as clay or a pond. Either of the two meanings makes sense to me since:
1. In Old Polish the word "kał" stands for mud, sludge, silt
2. The Slovenian adjectives attached to some of those "Kal" villages make sense in connection with the "pond" meaning. They are "Rdeèi", "Črni", "Veliki", "Mali" so the village names translate as: Red Pond, Black Pond, Great Pond, Small Pond.

I found 14 "ponds" in Slovenia by searching "Kal Slovenia" in Wikipedia:

Kal is a village in the Semiè municipality in Slovenia . The area is part of the historical region of Lower Carniola
Kal is a settlement in the Hrastnik municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is a village to the west of Pivka in the Inner Carniola region of Slovenia
Kal pri Krmelju is a small settlement in the Sevnica municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is a small village just west of Ambrus in the Ivanèna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .
Kal is the name of a small village in the mountains to the north of the Baèa valley in the Tolmin Municipality in the Littoral region of Slovenia.[2] It no longer has any permanent residents.

Kuzarjev Kal is a settlement in the hills to the northwest of Novo Mesto municipality in southeastern Slovenia .
Rdeèi Kal is a settlement in the hills to the southeast of Dobrniè in the Trebnje municipality in eastern Slovenia .
Rdeèi Kal is a small village to the south of Dob pri Šentvidu in the Ivanèna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .

Luèarjev Kal is a settlement in the hills to the east of Muljava in the Ivanèna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .

Črni Kal (San Sergio) is a village in southwestern Slovenia in the Municipality of Kope
Veliki Kal is a settlement in the hills to the south of Šentvid pri Stièni in the Ivanèna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .

Veliki Kal is a settlement in the Mirna Peè municipality in southeastern Slovenia .
Mali Kal is a small settlement in the hills to the north of Šentvid pri Stièni in the Ivanèna Gorica municipality in central Slovenia .

1. In Old Polish the word "kał" stands for mud, sludge, silt

Actually, I found better explanation in Wikipedia, in connection with the name Kalisz.

The modern Kalisz was most probably founded in 9th century as a provincial capital castellany and a minor fort. The name itself stems from the Celtic term cal which means stream, or Slavic term kal, meaning swamp or marsh.

boletus   
8 Oct 2011
Language / Conjugation of rąbać (to chop wood) [6]

rąbam, rąbacz, rąba, rąbamy

Yes, this is funny. My Polish grammar is all gone now, but I will nevertheless give you the correct declension of the verb "rąbać".

rąbię, rąbiesz, rąbie, rąbiemy, rąbiecie, rąbią

Trąbić, however, does not follow exactly the same pattern:

trąbię, trąbisz, trąbi, trąbimy, trąbicie, trąbią

correct declension

Did I say declension? I did not mean it - conjugation of course. :-)
boletus   
7 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

October 7 / 8 - Attention! Attention! A very important special message from the Management of Museum of IV Republic to tens of millions of righteous Wolaks and all other patriots, which have in their hearts the good of the Motherland and desire of pulling Her away from the dirty paws of the occupation regime, temporarily managing the Russian-German condominium: to protect against obvious electoral frauds during incoming rigged parliamentary elections of the year 2011, it is essential to apply the following brilliant instruction of the outstanding Right Wolak, MP, and the heroic Resistance fighter, Jarosław Rusiecki of Ostrowiec Świętokrzyski:

"AFTER PLACING THE CROSS - we drag the white stearin vertically down the remaining lists (columns). THIS GUARANTEES NO POSSIBILITY OF ADDING ANY MARK!!!!! The oily paper will not accept any writing medium."


spieprzajdziadu.com/muzeum/index.php?title=Strona_główna
boletus   
7 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Baldrick: With you at the helm, My Lord, we cannot lose.

Percy: Well, we could if we wanted to!

- I know all about you but I won't tell - - - yet, heh-heh.

boletus   
6 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Let me see how the National Election Committee (PKW) works. Being a club of nine corrupted old judges they spend all their time sunbathing somewhere in Bahamas or Egypt, consuming uncountable umbrella drinks, playing sugar daddies (or mummies in one case) to the local beauties and they only occasionally come back to Poland - just to pick up their cheques. And they only wake up when the election date approaches - then they invent their various confusing, last minute rules - not published anywhere before - just to make the lives of the law abiding candidates to the Parliament and Senate as hellish as possible. Right? Hell, no - as you must have guessed!

My understanding is that they actually work permanently, being busy all the time, from one election to another - producing all those new rules, regulations, election procedures and improving on the old ones. And they publish them regularly - for any street Jack to be able to read and learn them in advance - giving the Jacks, political parties and appropriate institutions the chance to take some corrective actions if they find those rules unreasonable. Right?

But the Jacks in Poland - a country of ignorant egoists, with no respect for any authority whatsoever - including those elected by themselves - have no time for learning about all those mundane rules; they are too busy sunbathing somewhere in Spain or Baltic coast and playing sugar daddies to some local beauties. And when the election time comes and some candidates are being punished for being lazy, ignorant or late in applying some of those electoral procedures then they cry for vengeance to heaven for being unfairly treated. And they call the PKW biased and venomous. Then they suddenly remember about their other hated democratic institutions, such as Superior Court or Constitutional Tribunal, and try to use them to their advantage if possible.

Gumishu presented the Supreme Court decision regarding legibility of personal data entered on electoral registry - stating that that data is only an auxiliary tool for verification of the PESEL identification number of the electorate and not a primary tool for unique verification of the person, and hence the data does not have to be FULLY LEGIBLE, because otherwise this might limit the constitutional rights of electorate with illegible handwriting.

This is pretty stupid if you ask me: In any civilized country a person is asked to print in block their personal data, just to make it fully legible - as well as to be ready for character recognition software, in order to scan and properly process the person's handwriting. Yes, I did it countless times. And yes, the Supreme Court argument might be applicable in some countries with high percentage of illiterate people (USA for example - only partially kidding) but for God sake - this is Poland. But, if you do not know how to write your name you probably cannot write your PESEL as well, so you better bring with you a helper.

However - that's the Supreme Court decision, so I accept it.

On the other hand I can see why the PKW could be pissed off by this decision. Nine high PKW judges and their countless staff and clerks have worked countless hours to devise and introduce a system of procedures that supposed to prevent the election frauds. And after implementing those procedures to some 500 candidates to Senate there came a bunch of unruly candidates - some of them with high social or political profiles - who made the mess to the integrity of the current procedures via Supreme Court interference.

Look, I am not saying that the PKW works the best it can. I simply don't know it. There might be many places for improvement in the electoral procedures. So why don't you start making those improvements right after the elections?

But I do not believe that PKW is malevolent, and especially biased, whatsoever, in its actions. Bureaucratic? Perhaps. But sometimes such rigid frames are necessary. I was once left at the gate at the airport, with my Air France plane still standing in the plain view - but nothing I could do about it since the gates were already closed. Was I mad? Of course I was. It took me some time to be able to laugh about it.
boletus   
5 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

And of all those 200,000 entries "Kalata Król" how many do you think are worthy anything at all? Very possibly, one will be able to find the "post-mortem" data of the Kalata-Król case (and similar ones) after the election. Then, one will be able to sort and judge. Up till now all is talk. Cheap, emotional talk.
boletus   
5 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

then read about Marek Król - and no it's not the full story AFAIK what Mr Jaworski says -

I am not falling for reading your obviously biased sources. Yes, I saw gazillion links all over the Polish internet related to the candidacy of "poor" Anna Kalata and Marek Król. I do not know their stories and - frankly - I do not really care to know them. They possibly cheated, they possibly followed the old "Martwe Dusze" (Gogol: Dead Souls) or "Dzień Szakala" (Frederick Forsyth: The Day of the Jackal) pattern, generally - they did not follow the rules. The fact is, in both cases the PKW rejected 500-600 names from their lists. This looks very fishy to me, bordering on criminal. And I am not talking about PKW.

I know that collecting 2000 supporting names is not easy - especially if you are notified at the last minute by some election committee, such as "Unia Prezydentów - Obywatele do Senatu", that your candidacy has been accepted and blessed by the other presidents, and that of all support you are going to get is just a photograph of a smiling Dutkiewicz, and that you just have two weeks to collect 2000 names. But as I said - whatever, they both failed.

But let me stick to reality. I went on PKW site and actually downloaded the entire list of 501 candidates to the Senate. Of these - 382 candidates come from the major and minor political parties, while 117 names are registered under the committee type: "wyborczy". Of these - 31 ones are from "Komitet Wyborczy Wyborców Unia Prezydentów - Obywatele do Senatu ", 7 - from "Komitet Wyborczy Wyborców Rafał Dutkiewicz" and the rest - from very small fish and individuals. How come farmers, such as Wiertek, Domian, Balazs or Olech managed to get 2000 legal, unquestioned, votes on time? Two nurses, one clerk, 8 teachers, 2 academic teachers, 9 engineers, and so for - they all could do it, but Anna Kalata could not? Oh, I know - they are obstinate, they have it in for Kalata!

I simply do not buy the accusation of an election fraud being committed by PKW - the democratically elected central electoral institution. This is a serious accusation, gumishu. If you really believe this, which is - in my opinion - one more conspiracy theory invented by sick minds, than there is no hope for you and for Poland.

PS: I am leaving soon to pay my respect to a family in sorrow. I won't have much time for internet chatting tonight.
boletus   
5 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

yes I am - PKW has recently proven its malevolence - see casus KNP Kongres Nowej Prawicy

Do you think it was malevolence? Or some sort of bureaucratic smokescreen? I have no patience to sort through all the election rules but the following answer satisfies me. When you deal with bureaucracy play by their rule. Could not he deliver the damn application by person, or better yet a week before?

Chairman of the National Electoral Commission (PKW) , Stefan Jaworski, said that the committee - by refusing to register the electoral list of Janusz Korwin-Mikke across the entire country - acted in accordance with the current electoral code.

In this statement Jaworski referred to the popular topic that had electrified public opinion and the media over the past several days. The PKW Chairman stressed that the media information, about refusal of registration of the electoral list of the New Right, were untrue and unfair.

- The application from the election committee of Janusz Korwin-Mikke's New Right to PKW for a certificate of registration in half the districts was submitted too late. It was postmarked on August the 30th and received by PKW on September the 1st - said Janusz Niemcewicz of PKW.

The reception date, not the postmark - as for example in court proceedings, decides on meeting the deadline for submittal of an application to PKW.

boletus   
5 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

I think it's an attempt to muddle the picture so that serious electoral fraud can be implemented

Are you accusing National Election Committee of intent to commit fraud?
boletus   
4 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

Come on. Plenty of stone churches in Krakow and around.

Having been exposed to all that red brick in Great and Northern Poland I forgot:
about that stony Little Poland.. :-)
and about the marble quarries around Śnieżnik Massif..
and also about those quasi marbles around Kielce ..
boletus   
4 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

It is 19.5 meters long and 8 meters wide. Is the middle section a square, 8x8 meters? The other 2 sections appear to be about 11 meters. Is there a door on the opposite side to the door shown here?

I think I have good news for you, Chimera. The following is a very interesting web site run by "Wągrowieckie Stowarzyszenie Szlaku Cysterskiego", Wągrowiec's Cistersian Trail Association, handling anything related to Cystersians at the vicinity of Wągrowiec, including Tarnowo Pałuckie. Here is their page about the church in question: cystersi.wagrowiec.pl/folder4.htm

If you read Polish than you are on your own - you will find it a treasure trove of professional information. Otherwise I will gladly give you a hand in translation of details of your interest.

Summarizing:
The old church, built before 1263, stood on a stone foundation and had dimensions 19.5 m by 8m. It was actually made of two parts: a nave and a narrower rectangular presbytery at the east side. According to current findings that church has functioned until last quarter of 14th c. The new church was set on its place, whose main block has been preserved to this day.

The web page includes the plan of St. Nikolaus (Św. Mikołaj) Church in Tarnowo Pałuckie:
1 The main altar
2 Side altar of St.. Nicholas
3 Side altar of St.. Margaret
4 Rainbow arc beam;
5 Musical choir (gallery)
6 Sacristy
7 Presbytery
8 Nave
9 Wall with scenes from the life of St. Margaret
10 Wall with scenes from the life of St. Nicholas;
11 Tower
2 IPW monogram of the alleged author of polychromy
13 Old brick porch (now removed and replaced by a wooden one).

As is apparent from dendrochronological studies, the vestry and probably the nave were built in the last quarter of the fourteenth century. The oldest wood used in its construction has been cut in the autumn / winter 1373/1374. Various building and restoration works were conducted on several occasions. For example, in 1628-1629 the roof truss was replaced and about in 1639-1640 the west tower added (the dendrochronological findings are supported by the date 1639 carved on the beam above the entrance from the tower to the church). The church and the tower were restored several times, most recently in the nineteenth century.


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boletus   
3 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

My local church was completed in the 1090s on foundations of a church that had been there a couple of hundred years already

Impressive. Poland has very little stone for such beauties.

The oldest wooden church in Poland

In the middle of the village Tarnowo Pałuckie, near Wągrowiec, Wielkopolska, there is the oldest wooden church in Poland, originally raised in the middle of the thirteenth century by Cistercian monks from the neighbouring £ekno.

Scientists conducting dendrochronological studies during renovation work in the seventeenth century - as it was thought - wooden church in Tarnowo Pałuckie discovered that the wood used to build the temple has been cut in about 1373. The roof of the temple was replaced later in the years 1628-1629.

Before the year 1263 the first wooden church on the stone foundations was built in Tarnowo Pałuckie. Its remains were discovered during archaeological excavations in 1999. It was about 19.5 meters long and about 8 meters wide. That church has probably functioned until the last quarter of the fourteenth century, when the new, current church was built in its place.

Tarnowo Pałuckie church is very charming. The walls and ceiling are covered with rich polychrome, made in the 30s of the eighteenth century. They show scenes from the life of St. Margaret and St. Nicholas and scenes referring to the life of Christ.

The North wall of the nave, with images of two devils, reminds us that this side of the world was once seen as a place where evil comes from.

alewielkopolska.blox.pl/2011/04/NAJSTARSZY-DREWNIANY-KOSCIOL-W-POLSCE.html


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boletus   
3 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

Not many people know about this little gem:

Czarnowo - a village in Poland located in Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Toruń district, Zławieś Wielka commune, 26 km from Toruń.
Originally the village was owned by the bishops of Płock. In 1457 it was given to the city of Toruń, to which it belonged until the partitions. At the end of the 16th c., the Mennonites settled here. Today, despite of its administrative affiliation with Toruń, it becomes a suburbia of Bydgoszcz, or rather its satellite city of Fordon, from which it is only about 6 km away.

The origins of St. Martin Parish are not exactly known. Until 1222, Czarnowo remained on the estates of the bishopric and chapter of Płock (£owicz privilege). The parish was founded - as stated by Fr. Stanisław Kujot - by one of the reigning Polish kings or princes - before the arrival of the Teutonic Knights, excluding it from the Świerczynki parish. The parish church, built in the second half of 13th c., has one Gothic nave and is set on a rectangular plan. Vestry was added in the 17th c., wooden bell tower - in the early 18th c.

Inside, there is granite stoup (probably medieval), late baroque altar from the first half of the 18th c., the choir from the 18th c., a patron's pew from 16-17th c., and two Gothic reliefs from 15th c. Two bells are from 1609 and 1755. Churchyard was established in 1873. There is also an early medieval fortified settlement, called "Entrenchments".

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czarnowo_(województwo_kujawsko-pomorskie)


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boletus   
3 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

Gniezno Cathedral, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniezno_Cathedral
Started in 9th century, burnt, robbed by Teutonic Knights, Swedes an Nazis. Rebuilt many times, last time in 21th c., changing its style all the way down. Famous for its Bronze Doors (1170), en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniezno_Doors

Polish wikipedia has many more details and - first of all - images.
boletus   
2 Oct 2011
Language / Polish filler words? [24]

What are some of the better-known non-rude Polish ones?

Modern
Słuuchaj!
"Słuuchaj! Wczoraj po szkole spotkałam Aśkę i słuuchaj! co ona mi naopowiedziała!"

No raczej!
Bo wiesz, ...
Bo ja, proszę ciebie, ...
Prawdę mówiąc, ...
Generalnie rzecz biorąc, ...

Absolutnie, ..
W rzeczy samej, ..
Koniec świata, ...

Prawda?
Nieprawda?
Wiesz? (Wiesz? Nie wiem. :-))
Ten, tego, słowem... (Response: Który? Którego?)
Widzisz? (- widzisz? - nie widzę.- no, widzisz!(

From Marxist Era
właśnie, towarzysze, właśnie

From not so distant past
waśnie, waśnie (should be "właśnie")
panie ten, tego
uczciwszy uszy
uczciwszy uszy, upraszam pardonu

Encyklopdia staropolska, przysłowia osobiste - Zygmunt Gloger
pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Encyklopedia_staropolska/Przysłowia_osobiste

It was a national habit that almost every Pole, both a "szaraczek", magnate or peasant, had a favourite phrase, often repeated

Hetman Stanisław Potocki ( - 1667) - By overusing Latin expression "re vera" (verily, truly), he became known as Stanisław "Rewera" Potocki

In the same manner:
Karol Radziwiłł, wojewoda wileński (1744 - 1790) - "Panie kochanku"
Michał Kazimierz Radziwiłł, father of "Panie Kochanku" - "Rybeńko".
Jan Klemens Branicki, Great Crown Hetman - (1689-1771) - "Moja panno"

Polish national characteristics was the same across all states and provinces of the Commonwealth. Both the governor of Kiev, like many a petty nobleman in Podlasie, Mazovia yeoman and Wielkopolska townsman, had the habit of repeating:

Uczciwszy uszy
Panie dobrodzieju
Ale, ale
Jak się zowie
Tandem tedy
Mospanie
Mościwy panie
Mopanie
Mosembeju
Mosztordzieju

Fragments from "Revenge" by Aleksander Fredro. Wise guy Cześnik dictates a letter to Dyndalski:
Bardzo proszę ... mocium panie ...
Mocium panie ... me wezwanie...
Mocium panie ... wziąć w sposobie,
Jako ufność ku osobie...
boletus   
1 Oct 2011
Language / Help me understand Polish imperfective vs perfective verbs? [64]

dominik88:

Hello! It seems like I can't understand the difference between the use of imperfective and perfective verbs in Polish. How do I know when I should use imperfective or perfective? Please explain very clearly with examples too, so I can understand. It seems like it is hard for me to grasp the difference, when to use which form......

Check this position: Grammar of the Polish language, by Grzegorz Jagodziński: grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/en/gram00.html

His treatment of aspects is quite concise. See Part seven, Morphology - inflected parts of speech, p. 4: grzegorj.w.interia.pl/gram/en/gram06.html .

I like this resource but since I am not an expert I looked around for some review. And this is where I found the following recommendation:

Kings College London, Polish Learning Resources, Category - Advanced:

Polish Grammar by Grzegorz Jagodzinski
Comprehensive site explaining in detail linguistic aspects of the Polish language from phonetics to morphology and etymology. Excellent resource for understanding the Polish language. The detail is such that it is like reading a text book.

kcl.ac.uk/artshums/depts/mlc/olc/online/polish.aspx