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boletus   
20 Oct 2011
Language / Help me figure out the spelling of these Polish names? [17]

is the way in old Russian language god was called

This interpretation seems very strange to me. The Russian "Bozhe" and Polish "Boże" are just vocative cases of Bog (Bóg). The difference is in order of words in these two equivalent expressions:

Bozhe moi!
Mój Boże! But I have also heard it used as "Boże mój".
Even uncle Google knows that. :-)

Careuh: Did not you know how to use type recorder back then, before she died?

Added:
The vocative case is lost in modern Russian, but it is still retained in special circumstances. See this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case#Historical_vocative
boletus   
19 Oct 2011
History / Galileo Galilei and the Polish World [2]

- Translated from Polish article [2] with some abridments

Italian celebration of the 400th birthday of Galileo has brought a series of lectures, delivered in Rome in the years 1964-1965 and then simultaneously published in Poland and Italy [1]. Their author, deceased a few years ago, Bronislaw Bilinski (1913-1996), a classical philologist by profession, and the longtime director of the Rome Library and the Centre of Polish Academy of Sciences, was a tireless hunter of Polonica and Polish-Italian cultural relations across centuries. His collection of studies on "Galileo and the Polish World" is part of his extensive achievements.

In his introduction to a series of four lectures (Introduzione Copernicana e romantica) Bilinski presents, among others, his hundred-years-earlier predecessor in this field of research - Artur Wołyński (1844-1893). The emigrant from Warsaw after the 1863 January Uprising, he eventually settled in Italy and founded Museo Copernicano in Rome. He published several articles on Galileo, and what's more - about his connections with Poland. Wołyński was the first to study the original sources in Italy and he included some of them in his study. It is worthy to emphasize that at that time the monumental Italian edition of Galileo works did not exist yet. What's more, the author-immigrant had no access to Polish materials, neither had he an opportunity to more fully present Polish cultural background and specific important figures from the Polish side.

Therefore Biliński went searching primarily in this direction. Using publications that appeared in the meantime, about the history of Polish culture and science and its seventeenth-century representatives, the author put also forward a number of suggestions regarding further research.

Because both publications of Wołyński and Biliński - in Italian and hardly available - are very little known, my goal is to provide their basic findings, and also to introduce newer studies that have appeared in recent decades, together with additional observations and digressions(*).
- Karolina Targosz

[1] B. Bilinski, Galileo Galilei e il mondo polacco, Conferenze fasc. 40, Bibliotecae Centro di Studi a Roma, Accademia Polacca delle Scienze, Wroclaw (Ossolineum)1969, ss. 136 (rec. L. Gadomski w "Studia Filozoficzne" XV. 1971, nr 4, s. 192-195). According to information on the reverse of the tittle page, the text has been also published in Saggi by Comitato Nazionale Italiano per le Celebrazioni del IV Centenario della nascita. di Galileo Galilei.

[2] Polish thread in Life and Question of Galileo, "Galileo Galilei e il mondo polacco" by Bronislaw Bilinski (1969) with supplements, Karolina Targosz, Institute of History of Science PAN, Krako.

(*)Boletus: Nine years after the lecture of Professor Karolina Targosz (2002) the internet delivers many other related articles, including [1] in Italian, available via Google books

Boletus: Since I am not sure whether I would find motivation for translation of all four chapters (abbreviated and commented by prof. Targosz), I am going to start with chapter four - for some reason. I have to add that the other three chapters are equally fascinating. For example, Chapter One deals with about 20-30 Polish students that Galileo tutored and boarded in his own house. Yes, yes - he had big family and he needed money badly. :-)

Chapter 4 - The fortune of Galileo in Poland
The last chapter of the book deals with the reception of Galileo's scientific thought in Poland: "La fortuna di Galileo in Polonia". The author stipulates that this is just an attempt to sketch the topic and that it requires a deeper study. Since the publication of "Galileo Galilei and Polish World" this question already been filled in many areas via detailed studies, which are briefly presented here. They relate to the declining years of life of the great scholar and to the next decades, falling in the second half of the seventeenth century.

Bilinski goes back to the first surviving copies of Galileo's works in Poland, mainly from the Jagiellonian Library, many of them donated to Collegium Maius by Jan Brożek on his death.

Brożek acquired several books and brochures written by Galileo - all of them carefully annotated with his name, the date and circumstances of the purchase. For example, one of the books - "The operation of the military geometrical compass" - was bought by Brożek during his stay in Padua for one Hungarian Golden, from Marcantonio Mazzoleni, who also made for him a compass and other instruments.

Unfortunately, the earliest of these prints became the victims of large-scale perfidious theft, committed in 1999, widely reported in the media. Some of them, put up for auction in London [according to wikipedia: it was German auction house Reiss&Sohn], have already found the way back to the library shelves, but they are unfortunately mutilated, deprived of Brożek's provenance marks - so valuable for providing evidence of their cultural context and affiliation with Polish national heritage.

Another professor of Kraków, who reportedly had in his possession all the works of Galileo - both prints and copies of manuscripts - was Stanisław Pudłowski (1597-1645), named by Biliński "Polish Galileo." Jagiellonian Library has, however, only one copy, with the owner's bookplate affixed (and which felt victim of the same theft and mutilation as Brożek's copies).

Pudłowski studied in Krakow and Rome, where he obtained his doctorate in both laws in 1625. As a law professor he was sent twice to the Eternal City in connection with disputes of the Academy with the Jesuits - in the years 1633-1634, and so immediately after the trial of Galileo, and in 1640.

He also became acquainted with scientists from Padua and Bologna. With his own avocation he became a mathematician, physicist and astronomer, experimenter and observer. In 1634 he brought from Italy, not only books but also a number of instruments, and - being a pastor of St. Nicholas church - he arranged nearby for laboratories and an observatory. On the way back from Rome in 1640 he went to Arcetri. In two letters of recommendation, of May the same year, he was recommended to Galileo by Benedetto Castelli, who had known Pudłowski well in Rome. He stated that he had not met anyone yet as much interested in Galileo's ideas as Pudłowski - both among the Italians and foreigners. This was thus an extremely high level of recommendation. Pudłowski was probably the last Pole, who personally met Galileo, but also the one who benefited most from his achievements and who knew how to inspire others to continue Galileo's works.

In the years 1635-1645 he conducted astronomical observations, illustrating them in handwritten manuscript "Collectanea", where he often referred to Galileo. Here, among others, he sketched the Southern line over the skylight of roofs in the Jewish district of Kazimierz, the threefold shape of Saturn and the heliocentric system. After the death of Pudłowski, a King's secretary and versatile "uomo curioso", Pinocci Girolamo, sought for publication of his works. This however never happened and most Pudłowski's manuscripts disappeared.

Another native of Italy, Tito Livio Burattini (1617-1681) from Agordo, much benefited from the Pole Pudłowski. He came to Kraków in 1641, after distant journeys and a stay in Egypt. It was him who testified later that Pudłowski had all the prints and copies of manuscripts of Galileo works. Thanks to Pudłowski, Burattini had an opportunity to become familiar with the manuscript of the treatise "La bilancetta" from the youthful days of Galileo, concerning the reconstruction of the Archimedes' hydrostatic balance.

Burattini had an idea how to improve on functioning of the instrument and he prepared his own treatise "La bilancia sincera", in which he was stressing that he did not want to take away the great scholar's fame, because "it is easy to improve on things already invented." Referring to that treatise, Pudłowski asked Burattini to make an effort to develop a universal system of measurements - suggesting utilization the isochronous phenomenon of pendulum. Burattini fulfilled his commitment to the Master from Kraków only many years later, by publishing a little work "Misura universale" (Vilnius 1675) - unfortunately much delayed relatively to similar inventions already made in Western Europe.

Drawing from Galileo's works, Burattini also got an inspiration for the bravest idea of his life - construction of a flying machine. With this idea, he entered the court of Wladyslaw IV in the last years of the King's life. But those years were especially rich in important scientific events. The second marriage of the King, in 1646, to Marie Louise Gonzaga (in Polish: Ludwika Maria Gonzaga), a princess descended from the French branch of this Italian family, meant that Frenchmen arrived following the Queen to the court of this Italophile monarch, and that the scholarly environment at the court in Warsaw became henceforth the link in the international scientific Polish-Italian-French relations.

The news of flying models constructed by Burattini and about plans of implementation of the machine itself circulated among many European centers. What remains is a treatise by Burattini " Il volare non e impossibile", and two drawings of a "flying dragon", one of which was sent to be assessed by Pascal.

The death of Wladyslaw IV in 1648 and the period of wars that followed cut short the inventor's hope for grants and opportunities to work on the implementation of the machine. Burattini however remained henceforth in the service of the royal court, at the times of John Casimir and John III Sobieski - as an engineer, architect and minter. An avid mechanic and builder, he designed hydraulic devices for Warsaw - again following in the footsteps of Galileo. At the court of Marie Louise, who was acquainted with astronomy and the Copernican theory, he also became an observer, grinder of lens and constructor of telescopes and microscopes.

Chapter 1: Polish students from the Galileo's circle in Padua
- Gli scholari polacchi nella Cerchia Galilee and Padova

The first and the most comprehensive of the four Bilinski's chapters concerns Polish students from the Galileo's circle in Padua. The arrival of Galileo to Padua in 1592 coincided with the date of the constitution of Polish Nationality at that University.

There had been already centuries old traditions of Poles studying in Padua, but only at that year a book of entries was established - both for Polish students, as well as for important Poles passing by Padua in their travels. This Book have been kept uninterruptedly until 1745; it contains 2359 names. The last decade of the sixteenth century was a period of great influx of Polish students - the years 1592-1599 alone showing nearly three hundred entries.

The Poles also become part of the student authorities at the University of Padua. For example, in the list of lectures of Art and Medical Faculty for the year 1593, it is stated, among others: "Excellentissimus D. Galilaeus de Galilaeis Florentinus leget Sphaera Euclide et tertia post meridia hora", and then at the very beginning of the book - after the names of the prefects - as a rector on behalf of the students: "Georgius Dominus Perillustris Pipanus Cracoviensis". In the year 1604 Paweł Boym of Lwów was a trustee and pro-rector there and in the year 1613 Maciej Vorbek-Lettow of Wilno was a trustee at Padua University.

In the years 1592-1593 Walenty Fontanus - formerly a professor of astrology at the University of Cracow, where he lectured in the years 1578-1580 "De revolutionibus" of Copernicus - studied medicine in Padua. It is probable that he and Galileo has met and discussed Copernicus ideas.

At that times private lessons given by professors - mostly for students coming from higher social strata - were quite widespread. They provided additional revenue for professors, and for students - more practical profile of knowledge to better prepare them to their future life tasks. So also Galileo - striving to keep up his mother and siblings - accepted students and residents, whom he educated not only in the 'sphere or cosmography' according to Ptolemy system, but also in the field of mechanics, geodesy, military architecture and fortifications - teaching them how to use proportional military compass (improved by himself). These instruments were made in the Galileo's house by a technician Marcantonio Mazzoleni. His secretary, Mastro Silvestro, drew up copies of the professor's teaching treaties, also purchased by students.

The sector, also known as a proportional compass or military compass, was a major calculating instrument in use from the end of the sixteenth century until the nineteenth century. It is an instrument consisting of two rulers of equal length which are joined by a hinge. A number of scales are inscribed upon the instrument which facilitate various mathematical calculations. It was used for solving problems in proportion, trigonometry, multiplication and division, and for various functions, such as squares and cube roots. Its several scales permitted easy and direct solutions of problems in gunnery, surveying and navigation. The sector derives its name from the fourth proposition of the sixth book of Euclid, where it is demonstrated that similar triangles have their like sides proportional. It has four parts, two legs with a pivot (the articulation), a quadrant and a clamp (the curved part at the end of the leg) that enables the compass to function as a gunner's quadrant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_(instrument)

Among Galileo's private students were Italians, Frenchmen, Germans and Poles. There exist handwritten notes of Galileo, the "Ricordi", where he have listed the names of the students - together with the amounts of money he received from them. Sometimes it is an aggregate record, as the one from 1602 about two Poles, who have started subject of fortifications, or the one from 1607 about seven Poles "learning about the sphere". Galileo described some students only by name and nationality, but there is not lack of people mentioned by their full name and the title.

Most of them came from noble families and magnate clans, so it is not surprising to find there the persons who later put their clear mark on political and cultural history of Poland. The first one, occurring in the Galileo's Ricordi in 1599, was the buyer of his "instrument" and the four-pointed compass - "Giovanni Tencin", i.e., the future governor of Krakow, Jan Tęczyński. He undoubtedly entertained military interests, but he is best known for his literary contribution of his era by participating in translation of Tasso's epic "Goffred or Jerusalem liberated (Kraków 1618)", made by Piotr Kochanowski (also a student of Padua) and also dedicated to him.

From December 6, 1601 to August 26, 1602, Rafał Leszczynski took lessons and also bought the Galileo's compass. Padua was one of the last links of his long-term studies and travels abroad through nearly all of the most important centers, universities and courts of Europe, which started already in 1595. A later governor of Bełz he has won in this way a thorough preparation for the role of one of the greatest patrons in the history of Polish culture in the first half of the seventeenth century, which he was to be. He was to create a magnificent residence and court in Włodawa. A Protestant and a protector of Polish and Czech Protestants, he provided for and established congregations, schools and printing houses - in Baranów and Leszno. Under his guard a prominent naturalist of Scottish origin Jan Jonston and the great Czech pedagogue Jan Amos Komensky worked in the Leszno center. The latter testified in a 1659 letter to Louis Wolzogen of his Governor's Copernican conviction. We know, moreover, that Leszczynski also possessed literary talents and he dealt with translations of French literature.

Leszczyński's steward ("maiordomo"), Daniel, was also recorded In the Galilean "Ricordi". This was actually Daniel Naborowski, who studied for twelve years law and medicine at Wittenberg, Basel, Orleans and Strasbourg, and later became connected to Radziwiłłs as a doctor and the poet.

In the years 1602 and 1604-1605, a name of Krzysztof Zbaraski appears in the records of Galileo. His first and last name is preceded by a title of Prince ("Ilustrissimo et Eccellentissimo S. Duca"). Along with his older brother Jerzy he was in Padua earlier, in 1592, and at the beginning of the seventeenth century, he also studied at Leuven. In contrast to his older brother, the humanist, this Galileo's student from Padua indulged mainly in science and technology. He was later regarded as the inventor of a new type of gun - according to Italian specialist in the artillery employed in Poland, Andrea dell'Aqua. Strong connections of Zbaraski brothers with Italy are confirmed by the fact, that the design of a new residence of their ancestral seat - Zbaraż, in the type of "palazzo in fortezza", was ordered from the renowned Venetian architect, Vincenzo Scamozzi.

In his polemical writing "Difesa contro ed alle calunnie Baldessar Imposture di Capra" (Venice 1607) Galileo invokes the names of three private students, mentioned above - Jan Tęczyński (along with his brother Gabriel), Rafał Leszczyński and Krzysztof Zbaraski - as the ones who knew the functionalities of his military compass. It is worthy to emphasize that they found themselves in a great group of other users of the compass, including dukes of Florence and Mantua, and Archduke Ferdinand.

Still one more of the Polish students of Galileo from the turn of 1607 and 1608, Marcin Zborowski, acquired the ability to use the compass and he handed it down to Professor Jan Brożek in Kraków. In connection with Zborowski, one interesting subject from "Ricordi" was omitted or neglected by the previous researchers: On January 19, 1608, Galileo received from him a sable muff ("di una manizza zibellini"), valued 150 lire. It is not known whether it was a gift, or a subject material in place of the due cash. Anyway, a professor of Padua - thanks to the Polish disciple - became an owner of the garment, typical of northern Europe, made of very valuable fur.

Polish Galileo's disciples were also Jan Krzysztof Buczacki, Paweł Palczowski and hard to identify abbot ('il. S. Abate polacco "). Not only just students, but also residents in the house of Galileo were listed by name - "Signor Stanislao Polacco" - Stanislaw Lasocki; "Signor Giovanni Lituano" - probably Jan Pac, "Signor Marco" - Marek Lentowicz and "Illustrissimo Signor Conte di Zator" along with entourage, two noblemen and five servants - the governor of Zator, Jan Paweł Leśniowolski.

In total, about twenty Poles passed through Galileo's house, and even lived in it. Wolynski already calculated that in the "Ricordi" years, of the total sum of 25 709 lire for the board - 5 728, or almost one quarter, have been paid the Poles. Similarly out of the sum of 14 291 lire for lessons, instruments and manuals - 3 604 lire have been paid by Polish students. Galileo indicates that the writing of Polish names caused him much difficulty, so one must not be surprised that he sometimes was leaving them out. His entries are usually phonetic - Sboroschi, Sbaraschi. The hardest one was the name Leszczynski, listed variously as Lencischi or Lescinschi.

[Boletus: In the same vain Italian names were often polonized. For example, ironworks and smelters in Wąchock and Samsonów in 17th c. were named: Caccio, Seravalle, "Dzianetty" and "Dziboni" - From "Historya Artyleryi Polskiej" by Konstanty Górski]

The only case of bad memory, left in the circle of Galileo's students from Poland, was a case of brothers £yczko, who borrowed 300 crowns from his old servant, went back to Poland and did not reply to any letter. The trace of this story remains in one of Galileo's letters of 1609 to the Secretary of the Grand Duke of Tuscany Belisario Vinty, where the scholar presented the affair of his servant, Alessandro Piersanti, who three years earlier had lost in this way all his security, and now he was terminally ill and was entirely dependent on Galileo. Galileo wrote that they were "Giovanni Liczko di Ryglice et un su o fratello" and that they were well known to Montelupi family (a family of Polish Post Masters). He earnestly asked for intervention at the secretary of the Polish court. According to historical records the brothers Jan and Stanisław £yczko, Sulima clan, of Ryglice near Tarnów, studied at that time in Padua and they had to be debtors to Piersanti. It is not confirmed though whether they were really disciples of Galileo.

There are however a number of written records, witnessing to the best bonds, which existed between the Polish students and their teacher. The letters sent to him by some of them testify to this fact. And so Mark Lentowicz, soon after his return home, as a secretary of King Sigismund III, wrote to Galileo from Krakow on August 13, 1604, dreaming of inviting him to Poland: "Faxint caelites ut hic noster Septentrio eius viri vultum videat, cuius famam et virtutem iamdudum stupet et admiratur". He asserted that he would use all possible effort to ensure that this could come true.

During his next visit to Italy, in the years 1611-1612, Krzysztof Zbaraski, no longer finding Galileo in Padua, sent him two letters from Bologna, reflecting on the best memories that he retained from the time of the Galileo's tutoring and of his unchanging admiration to him. In his letter of March, 8, 1611 there are dominating words of his sincere regret and disappointment of not being able to meet him in person and to enjoy the conversation with the master ("Mi di molto rincresce non haverla Trovato and Padova, come to me pensavo, per Potter godere Conversation dolcissima la della sua qual, per esser tant'anni Privo, con quest occasione della mia venuta in Italia di Poter credevo sodisfare all'animo mio "). From this letter it is clear that one of his friends s
boletus   
19 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Motto of the week:
"[Tadeusz Cymański] succumbed to temptation: criticize Chairman of Law and Justice, and you will be praised on TVN24. This unfortunately is a temptation often chosen by politicians, but this is a way out of PiS. Following this road eliminates serious politicians" - Adam Hofman
boletus   
18 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Guys, let's be fair here: they both are willing to forgo the MP pay, but they want to keep their retirement pay, and both mandates: the retired prosecutor mandate and the member of parliament mandate. They obviously realized that they could not keep both sources of income, so they obviously stick to the higher pay - 12000 złoty/month. (A descent pay in Canada, but nothing extraordinary).

What's more important - if they were forced to quit as MPs, then this would be a bloody murder. PiS (Kaczyński) would never forgive them for that. I do not know who is next on the candidate list, but if there are no PiS candidates with the highest number of votes then PiS might lose those two seats. So, this is more a political issue than the one driven by greed.

As to the statement "we have knowledge that scares Tusk and his company", this seems to taken out of context. I do not remember the exact phrase, but it sounded like "professional knowledge, ability and will". I would not say that "I know but I won`t tell?" applies here.

Nevertheless, the story becomes more and more interesting since national Council of Prosecutors reversed its September decision and now supports both decisions: of Parliament Chancellory and of Prosecutor General. They justify the reversal saying that they did not want to mess with the election process in September, but now, after the election, they can correct their previous decision.
boletus   
18 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Richard P. Feynman to Tina Levitan, February 7, 1967
Dear Miss Levitan:

Thank you for posting that. My admiration to Richard Feynman has grown even more. His "Lectures on Physics", vol 3, Quantum Mechanics was the first textbook that I have ever enjoyed reading. "You must be kidding, Mr. Feynman!"

Now let's talk about the stupidity of basing any kind of conclusion on the number of Nobel Prize winners.

A very good post, thank you. It brings me back to a Ph.D. thesis of one engineer caster, who begged my mathematician friend to help him with statistical analysis of his experimental data. We had such fun with all six samples he provided. Lucky for him, nobody noticed. To their excuse - they were technology guys, not statisticians! :-)
boletus   
18 Oct 2011
Genealogy / Jednoralski Family from Zalno, Poland [9]

Since I do not live in New York, I do not have access to that data on Jim Kowalski. Have you tried Ancestry.com?

That was meant as a joke - searching for Jan Kowalski in New York would be like searching for a needle in a haystack. I was trying to explain to you that every detail counts in such searches.

The correct spelling of that place is Żalno (with the dot above). English version of wikipedia shows very little here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żalno

However, the polish one provides quite extensive info: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Żalno

You did not provide any geographical information, but since it is in North-West Poland, formerly in Prussian partition, this could be the one.
boletus   
17 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

29 Competition for Young Scientists of the European Union.
An international jury selected the best projects among 87 projects from 37 countries that have been submitted during the five-day event.

1st Prize: Ireland, Switzerland, Lithuania
2nd Prize: Germany, Great Britain, Bulgaria
3rd Prize: Norway, Poland, Great Britain

On 23-28 September, 130 students presented 87 projects to international competition jury chaired by prof. Ana Maria Viana-Baptista. These were projects that have previously won first prizes in national competitions. Their subject matter covers a broad spectrum of scientific disciplines: biology, chemistry, computer science, social science, environment, mathematics, physics, engineering and medical sciences. The works represent a consistently high standard, and many past participants have achieved major scientific breakthroughs, or set up businesses to market the ideas developed for the Contest.
boletus   
17 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

This fight will be fun to watch. At stake are: a prosecutor mandate (retired), a MP mandate, prosecutor's retirement pay (quite high), MP salary. Heroes: Members-elect Dariusz Barski and Bogdan Świączkowski, both retired prosecutors, both PiS.

Round 1. According to Prosecutor General, a prosecutor - irrespectively whether active or retired - must not be a member of a parliament. PG cites the article 103, paragraph 2 of the Constitution: "A judge, prosecutor, civil servant, soldier in active military service, a police officer and a state security officer can not exercise their parliamentary mandates."

Round 2. Chancellery of the Sejm concluded that combining the prosecution and the parliamentary mandate violates the constitution and therefore asked both the Members-Elect, to decide by October 27 - the day of taking the oath - which mandate they forgo.

Round 3. On September 22, 2011 the National Council of Prosecutors adopted a resolution which clearly confirms that, under existing law, "the retired prosecutor, if elected to act as a MP or Senator (...) does not have to give up its position and retains the salary owed. "

On the other hand, The Council, which is a 25-person institution tasked with guarding the independence of the prosecutor's institution, said unequivocally that the regulations do not prohibit combining the mandates, but that they should be changed. "The Council believes that this situation requires the intervention of the state legislature at the next revision of the Law on Public Prosecutor's Office".

Round 4. Members-elect Dariusz Barski and Bogdan Świączkowski claim that "there is no legal basis to give up their parliamentary mandates." They emphasize that, because they draw a high prosecutor's retirement pay, they will forgo drawing MP salaries.

Round 5. - Of course, due to very principled, courageous and pro-state attitude of both gentlemen we may fear some form of attack from those who rule Poland - commented Mariusz Blaszczak of PiS,on TVN24

Technical knockout in round 5.
boletus   
17 Oct 2011
Genealogy / Jednoralski Family from Zalno, Poland [9]

Looking for all history of the Zalno, Poland area, before 1884.

I am actually pissed off with requests like this. Why anyone would ever consider helping you if (1) you do not want to help yourself by disclosing all possible data in your possession (2) you do not provide reasons for anyone to help you in your quest.

What is your (or your family) ethnic background and history and what is your reason for the enquiry? Are you interested in Jewish, German, Polish background? What kind of social background is to be investigated: a burgher, a peasant, a noble? This would help to identify certain historical issues. Do you expect us to perform miracles for you just ... because you asked? Oh, yes, imagine if I asked you to help me in return to find anything you can about a certain Jan Kowalski in New York ...

But if you do not want to bother with the suggestions I outlined - just type "Zalno" in Google, and I am sure you will get some answers - which obviously you will need to sort later on.
boletus   
17 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

All of my Jewish friends consider themselves American first. Keep it up with the foolish antisemitism though. It's not rare to hear this sort of ignorant statement from uneducated Poles.

In the old fashioned Europe anyone attempting to join a rational conversation supposes to pass first a basic test called "Reading with comprehension". You just failed it awfully. Go back under your rock, you troll!
boletus   
17 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

I'm not really intending to discuss anything with this guy (Harry, Delphi or whoever he is) but people bringing up "Copernicus" or saying that Polish science is crap due to WW2 made me to write a few lines on real problems of Polish science...

I know your intentions were good, but please stop apologizing. There is nothing to ashamed of. Your astronomy example is good, so let me expand a bit:

Scientists discover around 600 gravitational lensing events every year within the OGLE project, which positions them as world leaders in this field. The project, based at Warsaw University, uses a dedicated 1.3-metre telescope mounted in Las Campanas in Chile. The OGLE Web Site is available at ogle.astrouw.edu.pl.
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(There is an OGLE thread somewhere on PF, which I started long ago)

Personally, I was trying to keep my contribution to this thread at reasonably low profile - mostly responding to direct attacks from trolls, or expanding on some cases. But unfortunately this cannot be handled this way, because everybody has their own tactics: ranging from complete disregard of trolls, to apologizing, to giving trivial examples.
boletus   
16 Oct 2011
Language / To make someone blush - how to express it in Polish? [4]

Yesterday my boyfriend's audacious comment made me blush = Wczoraj śmiała uwaga mojego chłopaka sprawiła, że się zarumieniłam

audacious can be also translated as bezczelny, zuchwały
These are synonyms: : spiec raka, spłonąć rumieńcem, zaczerwienić się, zarumienić się (po uszy)

W odpowiedzi na jego zuchwały komentarz Zosia spiekła raka. But watch this: Zosia spiekła się na raka na plaży.
boletus   
16 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

There are some amazing photos of those guys in the Academy of Sciences building. Stefan Banach too.

You know, it still continues to amaze me that Polish School of Mathematics started as a vision of a well planned and executed program that actually succeeded.

The ... article `On the Needs of Mathematics in Poland' by Zygmunt Janiszewski outlined the plan for what was to be the Polish School of Mathematics. He urged that a commission should be formed to undertake the organization of mathematics, that an effort should be made to identify and retain talented students as early as secondary school, and that a center for mathematical research should be created; he felt that it was important to create a stimulating mathematical atmosphere and to foster contacts between mathematical co-workers (One effect of this was that many Polish articles were multi-authored; today, Internet collaboration is having a similar effect).

His two main recommendations, however, were especially innovative, and would eventually prove to be highly effective: first, that Poland should have the majority of its mathematicians concentrate their work in a single branch of mathematics; second, that there be created an international journal of mathematics (accepting papers in English, French, German, and Italian) concentrating in a narrow area of mathematics.

wfu.edu/~kuz/Stamps/PolishSchool/PolishSchool.htm
boletus   
16 Oct 2011
Language / a linguistic explanation for Polish parking. [14]

Not sure how it works sideways.

Easy! Three or four guys start pushing on suspension springs: one, two, three - and sideways we go! I saw it working well on deux chevaux, even if they were parked nose to trunk.
boletus   
15 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Does this count as science?

Polish Cipher Bureau (Biuro Szyfrów) is comparable to National Codes and Cipher Centre (Blechley Park) or to modern American National Security Agency. So as such it is not science but organization, which however, employs people who conduct science per se - cryptography/cryptology, rooted in mathematics and computer science.

As a matter of fact, the article you linked, mentions three world-famous professors of mathematics, who used breaking Soviet codes — Stefan Mazurkiewicz, Wacław Sierpiński and Stanisław Leśniewski. They were in fact part of so-called Polish School of Mathematics. But I have already mentioned them before. To compensate for a disappointment, I attach a small fractal - Sierpinski's Triangle. Yes, this is the same guy. :-)

Jerzy Różycki, Marian Rejewski and Henryk Zygalski - the Enigma guys, initially trained at Poznań University - were already mentioned too in this thread. And again, they were mathematicians (but not from Polish School of Mathematics), employing mathematical principles - probability theory, graph theory and such. But the article you pointed out is interesting - as it shows all that background.


  • Sierpinski's Triangle
boletus   
15 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

If he was plain Polish he would have said 'Hey, nothing to do with us, it was those Germans', while shaking a fist in whichever direction Germany lay.

This thread was started by a troll and is visited by some trolls, who insist that native Poles gave no contribution to world science, and if they did then they must have been of Jewish origin. Which is not entirely true. Now you are off topic, modafinil, with your comment here. So let me remind you that "others deported to Auschwitz included 150,000 Poles, 23,000 Roma and Sinti, 15,000 Soviet prisoners of war, some 400 Jehovah's Witnesses and tens of thousands of people of diverse nationalities." Or whatever, I just quoted wikipedia. Thus your comment was not called for.

My great uncle perished in Buchenwald, presumably of typhus(*). And he was only a young boy, just a Pole. My great grandmother miraculously survived five and half years of Ravensbruck. Luckily she was not selected as one of those "medical rabbits" for experiments with gangrene bacteria, etc. And she was only a Polish teacher. So I expect from you the same kind of respect as you expect it from me.

(*)The camp was also a site of large-scale trials for vaccines against epidemic typhus in 1942 and 1943. In all 729 inmates were used as test subjects, of whom 154 died.

So now back on topic, attempting to fight away standard trolls.
Polish inventors

Stefan Drzewiecki (1844-1938): invented cab odometer, precise plotter of ship routes, worked on propeller-driven (1-4 men) submarines, invented precise method for manufacturing ship and plane propellers, developed theory of gliding.

Józef Stanisław Kosacki (1909–1990): Polish professor engineer, inventor, and an officer in the Polish Army during World War II. He is best known as the inventor of the Polish mine detector, the first man-portable mine detector, whose basic design has been in use with various armies for over 50 years.

Stefan Kudelski (1929-) is a Polish audio engineer, famous for creating the Nagra series of professional audio recorders. The company is still going fine.

Jan Józef Ignacy £ukasiewicz (1822–1882) was a Polish pharmacist and petroleum industry pioneer who in 1856 built the first oil refinery in the world. Among his other achievements were the discovery of how to distill kerosene from seep oil, the invention of the modern kerosene lamp (1853), the introduction of the first modern street lamp in Europe (1853), and the construction of the first oil well in Poland (1854).

Henryk Władysław Magnuski (1909 -1978) was a Polish telecommunications engineer who worked for Motorola in Chicago. He was the inventor of one of the first Walkie-Talkies and one of the authors of his company success in the fields of radio communication.

Kazimierz Prószyński (1875 - 1945). He patented his first film camera, called Pleograph, before the Lumière brothers, and later went on to improve the cinema projector for the Gaumont company, as well as invent the widely used hand-held Aeroscope camera, powered by compressed air. Hundreds of light and relatively compact Aeroscope cameras were used by British Army combat cameramen on the battlefields of World War I and later by newsreel cameramen until the late 1920s, when more modern spring cameras like Eyemo and later Bolex took over.

Zygmunt Puławski (1901 - 1931) was a Polish aircraft designer and pilot. He invented a gull-wing aircraft design, also known as "Puławski wing" and constructed a series of Polish PZL fighters

Michał Sędziwój (Michael Sendivogius, Sędzimir) (1566–1636) was a Polish alchemist, philosopher, and medical doctor. A pioneer of chemistry, he developed ways of purification and creation of various acids, metals and other chemical compounds. He discovered that air is not a single substance and contains a life-giving substance-later called oxygen -- 170 years before Scheele and Priestley. He correctly identified this 'food of life' with the gas (also oxygen) given off by heating nitre (saltpetre).

Jan Szczepanik (1872-1926) made over 50 discoveries, many of which are still used today, especially in the motion picture industry, photography, and television.
boletus   
15 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Jan Czochralski (1885-1953), studied metal chemistry in Berlin, later moved back to Poland in 1928 and became Professor of Metallurgy and Metal Research at the Chemistry Department of the Warsaw University of Technology. He discovered "Czochralski method" of crystallization of single crystals of lead, zinc, and tin that were a millimeter in diameter and up to 150 centimeters long. The method was rediscovered in 1950 by Bell Labs to grow single germanium crystals, which began its use in producing suitable semiconductors.

The most common technique used for growing crystals for the development of wafers is the Czochralski growth. There are other methods of growing crystals but the Cz is most common. The material used in growing a single crystal silicon ingot is electronic grade silicon(EGS), which is refined from MGS and must have 99.999999999% purity.

people.seas.harvard.edu/~jones/es154/lectures/lecture_2/materials/materials.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Czochralski
boletus   
14 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Cornelius

Yet Jews did just fine during that time.

And you are wrong again.

Ever heard about famous Polish Polish School of Mathematics and Logic during interbellum?
Then take a look at its Polish/Jews distribution.
Lwów School of Mathematics:
Banach, Mazur, Orlicz, Barański, Saks, Karczmarz were Poles
Steinhaus, Ulam, Kac, Schauder, Auerbach were Polish Jews

Warsaw School of Mathematics:
Sierpiński, Kuratowicz, Janiszewski, Mazurkiewicz, Borsuk, Marczewski, Knaster, Sikorski - Poles
Aronszajn, Eilenberg - Polish Jews

Lwów-Warsaw School of Logic:
Twardowski, Leśniewski, £ukasiewicz, Mostowski - Poles.
Tarski, Lindenbaum - Polish Jews

So stop trolling..
boletus   
14 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Bright as he is, he might win the Nobel prize pretty soon.

If this this is your objection, then you have to rephrase your original post. I am not claiming any Polish Nobel prize winners - for historical reasons given to you by the others before. But I am challenging you on the basis of your own loaded statement:

However, in modern times it seems Poles are lagging behind in fields such as astronomy, biology, chemistry, and physics.

Oh, oh - you are so wrong. So I understand that you are not challenging Żurek on meritorious grounds? Now, let me go to the next step from the same, or similar category:

Artur Ekert - Born in Poland, educated in Poland, Msc. in Jagiellonian University of Cracow (1985), Ph.D. Oxford (1991), now Oxford. Is he Polish/British/Jewish? I have no idea, but I would advice you not to personally ask him about it if you do not want to get slapped in the face. He is a famous theoretical expert in quantum cryptography.

Five Polish quantum cryptography gurus to go ...
boletus   
14 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

Davidson613

Because they are a minority and it's Polish Christians that make up most of the population. If I didn't distinguish, then the Jewish minority would cause an outlier in the data that shows Poles made little scientific contributions.

So mister (Davidson613=TheAttornet45=any other cowardly anonymous name) - I have been waiting for your response to my challenge at post #13: what about Wojciech Żurek? Oh, yes, you apparently have no idea who he is and what kind of science he represents. Do you need another month or so to get down to the basics of quantum decoherence?

Oh, oh, and I must remind you that I have offered you a long challenge list before ... None of those simplistic, trivial cases of Copernicus or Sklodowska.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
History / Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science) [180]

However, in modern times it seems Poles are lagging behind in fields such as astronomy, biology, chemistry, and physics.

Are they? Let me see, one at the time, why should I do all the work for you? They are not necessarily Nobel prize winners, but they are famous nevertheless. And the list is quite long. I'll start with modern quantum computation, q. decoherence, q. teleportation, q. cryptography.

Wojciech Żurek would be a good example.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
Travel / Early churches (built 700-1000 years ago) in Poland? [25]

There are various archeological expedition on the top and around Mount Ślęża, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ślęża, related to various periods: Neolithic, Early Christianity, Medieval, etc. Some artifacts point out to the Celtic tribe of Boii (sing: Boius). During the restoration of the floor of the existing Medieval church, the foundations and cellars of early castle was discovered. Fragments of some artifacts was found, which suggest a broken sculpture of a dragon or a griffin.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
Love / Help me understand the different mannerisms and mentality of men in Przemysl area! [28]

I know you Brits are all angry for bita4u statement :

I found out that during the war Tehran helped thousands of Polish people (unlike the british and russia).

I hope she is just uninformed and partial to what her culture remembers from those times, but I have to point out that many Poles, especially former children in Iran, actually owe the Iranians a big gratitude.

I already recommended this online source in some other thread:

The General Langfitt Story, 
Polish Refugees Recount Their Experiences of Exile, Dispersal and Resettlement

 By Maryon Allbrook and Helen Cattalini 
ISBN 0 644 35781 9, First Published 1995, immi.gov.au/media/publications/refugee/langfitt/

In particular "Chapter 5 - Dispersal" , section "En route to Pahlavi and Tehran" deals with the topic of interest. Estimated 600 people died in Pahlavi, many of them children. Later in Tehran help was coming from everywhere: "from Jews, Persians, British, and Americans who were concerned about the plight of the Polish refugees", from Polish government in exile, International Red Cross, UNRRA.

In Isphahan, once the capital city of the Shahs, a 'magnificent centre was created for school children, its six schools and boarding houses loaned by European and American nuns.

Isphahan - a.k.a. A city of Polish children.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Gumishu:
I stand by my original motto, which was meant to be funny. And yes, whatever the man meant, it really sounds stupid - both figuratively and literally. And I just saw a video of an angry, irrational crowd, at the presidential palace - "blinded by their hate etc,etc." Yes I see well what both irrational sides write all over internet.

"you can't imagine this is what Cejrowski actually meant you are damned and stuck biased and prejudiced" - thank you for you free psycho-bable advice, but I have all my faculties around me. I just dislike idiots playing gurus.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

So, here is Cejrowski's wider context, fronda.pl/news/czytaj/tytul/cejrowski:_kaczynski_musi_stac_sie_ kosciuszka__16084:

Cejrowski compares Palikot's election result with the success of Lepper. - The attitudes of both Lepper and Palikot are reminiscent of Jakub Szela's.(*) This is the worst possible motivation of angry people who will slaughter throats of anyone on their way. It would be preferable for such angry groups to be managed by Kościuszko, not Szela.

- So we wait for Kościuszko. Jarosław Kaczyński must become Kościuszko, he must gather all the people, make them a political offer and lead them to insurrection.

(*)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Szela

So now tell me in what way I quoted him out of context. Go ahead, try.

And when you are done I'll point out that comparing your political opponents to Jakub Szela, eager to slaughter your throats - does not matter whether it is meant to be a parable or not - is very low, unacceptable, rude and stupid. And in this context, the second paragraph sounds even worse than before, because it suggests syphoning that angry energy of apparently abnormal people via insurrection - against whom? State, government, PO?

In a wider context, Cejrowski suggests use of force, after PiS lost its battle via legal means. And if he did not exactly mean it, than he is doubly stupid and he should think twice before opening his mouth. Until he does it I reserve the right to ridicule him anywhere, anytime.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

with these words (and quoting out of context) you actually prove you are completely unable to grasp more abstract political concepts or you are totally bent on malicious disparaging of all political movements you happen not too agree with

I'll pass on this and let you recover from your low personal attack, gumishu. I quoted the man exactly as I read him, and exactly as he wanted to be read. This is not about politics. This is about idiocy which just waits to be ridiculed.
boletus   
13 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Motto of the week:

- So we wait for Kościuszko. Jarosław Kaczyński must become Kościuszko, he must gather all the people, make them a political offer and lead them to insurrection

- Wojciech Cejrowski, fronda.pl

Fronda Proclamation:
October 2 - the heroic Resistance fighter Wojciech Cejrowski, observing the mortal danger facing the Fourth Republic, caused by rigged election of all sorts of junkmen, sodomites, homosexuals and transvestites to the puppet Parliament of our tormented Motherland, proclaims a nationwide insurrection, which leader is - and this is the obvious obviousness - the steadfast and charismatic leader of the Resistance, Miraculously-Survived-Chairman-Prime Minister-Almost-President Temporarily-Altered Jarosław Kaczyński--Kościuszko. At this signal, all locally acting forges begin to forge hundreds of thousands of upright war scythes provided by Righteous Wolaks and the other true patriots. At the same time the TV studio Trwam begins preparation for the casting to Bartosz Głowacki.
boletus   
12 Oct 2011
News / Poland Parliament elections in October 2011 [944]

Do you mean they will stop voting PiS?

Applied Dialectics, continues ...
During the election campaign: Jarosław Kaczyński said that their internal polls suggested PiS going ahead of PO, at times.

After the election: Hofman explains that the study did not detect two things: the changes in voters support, but, more importantly, growth in voters participation. The turnout of voters were underestimated, and that turnout has obviously affected the outcome of the election - he said.

Looks like PO treacherously manipulated the public into:
a. Switching sides and voting against PiS
b. Visiting polling stations en mass
boletus   
12 Oct 2011
News / A homeless recidivist (artwork thief) strikes again in Poland [2]

I found it funny all the way down the page.

A house of Krakow's famous painter, Jerzy Nowosielski, was robbed in February, the day after his death. The thief took the paintings, icons and other objects approximately valued at 317,000 zł. Police recovered part of stolen works, which they found it in the trunk of a car in Krosno Odrzańskie. The investigation was carried by police officers from a special group Vinci.

- I look stupid now, in the sense that I decided to take the opportunity after I spotted a hole in the fence - explained 31-year-old homeless recidivist Thomas H., accused of breaking and entry.

- For me those were scribbles, I know nothing about art. I was drunk during the burglary, so I did not even put my gloves on - he said. According to him, he panicked after he realized whose house he just robbed. He took one of the larger paintings ("blue-green" - as he described it) out of its frame, rolled it and left at the garbage at the community where his female friend lives.

Thomas H. admitted his guilt during trial. He also expressed his desire to voluntarily submit to a punishment, suggesting 4 ½ years of imprisonment. This deemed unacceptable by neither the prosecutor nor by the court because the accused was also facing two other charges against him: attempted burglary and burglary of another apartment. He pleaded not guilty to the first case and disagreed with qualification of the second case as the "break and entry" because that door had not been actually locked.

Thomas H. expressed his disappointment at the court. He said that by a voluntary submittal to a penalty he wished to save some work for the court of justice. But he also admitted that he has made plenty of trouble for himself, due to the fact that he was already wanted by the police, before the burglary, for his failure to return to prison.