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The slow, whiny death of British Christianity [86]
why, I am not in the US, Canada does not have such newborn wave of religion, we pray in nature:)
I do other things in, and with nature.
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no, it does not. It is still your choice to manage your sexual desires or think on your own.
Not if there's a group which supports the kind of social control which condemns sex before marriage.
I think it's something they need to make peace with, because I accept the fact these people have the right to live however they want to live, eventhough they're a real small minority right now. They've never accepted the fact that I didn't want to live like they wanted to live. And there's the difference. I wasn't looking for acceptance within their group. I was looking for the right to live how I want to live, without catching abuse from them all the time.
my control? I am not trying to control anybody. I am just making an educated observation that religion can be a tool to control the society.
Yes, your control, since you're the one who says we need it. I mean, whatever you choose to support is yours, isn't it?
Social control is totally unnecessary. We have laws, rules and a sense of morality. We've all agreed that certain behaviour is unnacceptable, which is what we call crime. Religion itself will never stop anyone from doing anything. All religion ever did was covering a society under a blanket of make-belief, lies and hypocrisy. Religiously motivated control isn't social control. I would rather call that thought-policing, which usually results in segregation, social terror, mental - aswell as physical oppression.
If you are an adult, you make your choices and there is no need to feel pressured by any religious groups.
You can tell that to the people who wrapped me up in barbwire once. (When I was five.)
I was merely speaking in general terms about what I have learnt about the role of religion in a society.
I guess I'm flaming a litte. I mean, you're an educated woman, so you must have some kind of opinion of your own.
As for rapes, they have nothing to do with religion, but with the inferior position assumed by some males who rape women.
Read the Qu'ran. Most Muslims follow the example of Mohammed to a certain extent. You should read how he feels about women. His teachings do not condemn rape. Quite the contrary. His teachings encourage rape.
Religion has everything to do with control. (Or should I say a lack of control?)
fair enough. I like the rational approach :).
I just wish to know where you stand.
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Very nicely articulated Seanus.
Oh, there will be a culture-shift alright, but not the one you're envisioning here. See, you seem to forget one thing; The majority of the second or third generation of Arabian immigrants will probably renounce their religion aswell. I mean, a lot of pretty Moroccan girls here seem to be very interested in Dutch guys, and they're obviously not wearing a Ni'qab, Hijab, Hidjaab or Jilbab..
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The secular/feminist/homosexual-type ideologies.
Who's taunting who here? Beheading? Really?
Now tell me my comment doesn't make sense ;) ;)
Seanus, you can drag as many scientific research and surveys into this discussion as you want, but none of these theories change the fact that religion has nothing to do with immigration laws. (Seperation of Church and State, remember?)
I don't hate God. I don't hate you either. I don't believe that a God who loves all of us unconditionally would condemn anyone. People do that. I just want to be able to live my life and make my own decisions within the boundaries of our laws, without catching any abuse for that. (Making a few mistakes doesn't make you a monster.) That's all.
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