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Monitor   
7 Jul 2014
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

New report about apartments prices: In last year prices mostly haven't changed: forsal.pl/galerie/808069,duze-zdjecie,1,rekordy-sprzedazy-na-rynku-nieruchomosci-ile-zaplacimy-za-mieszkania-pod-koniec-2014-r.html

The biggest developers have record sales. (At least partially because MDM program)
Monitor   
6 Jul 2014
Life / Cost of living in Wroclaw (rent price too) [119]

Doctors are free for workers in Poland. Don't know how big percentage can speak English, but all younger should. Extra insurances which your company talks about is for simple treatments. If you have it then you go to private clink when you catch cold. Thanks to that you don't have to wait in a queues - you can get treatment faster. As for apartment. If you try too book online or in few days after arriving, then you have low chances getting good deal.
Monitor   
6 Jul 2014
Study / Advice needed for a French student on living in Katowice for a semester [7]

First of all, how easy is it for a french student to rent a flat downtown for only 3-4 months ?

Just check airbnb if money is not a problem. If you search for min. 1 month renting and min. 1 month in advance through this system, they you will see quite cheap offers. You can easily rent online from France for just 2 x of long term rent in Katowice. Sometimes there are even cheaper occasions. Just book in advance.
Monitor   
6 Jul 2014
Study / Student from Nepal travelling to Poland with dependent for further studies. Any job? [87]

There are 1 year preparatory Polish language courses and there are some options to study in English. But you must have cash to finance that. 2000 - 3000eur tuition fees per year plus 150 - 500 eur per month living expenses. Work allowed only in summer. Usually 1eur per hour so impossible to earn for studies. study in poland/en/index.php/education-in-poland/19-questionsanswers
Monitor   
5 Jul 2014
Life / Cost of living in Wroclaw (rent price too) [119]

For the 1st 1 month rent some small studio apartment in advance through this website: airbnb.com/?locale=en (choose only people who have positive comments) In this way you will not pay more than for a bigger apartment which you will find later on a free market. If you don't want to pay too much for apartment find somebody local who could help you find it. Perhaps somebody from the company can assist you.
Monitor   
4 Jul 2014
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

Maybe you are right as in Poland when I sell a property I tend to wait years as it's pretty affordable to wait and milk it out,or get a loan against it if quick cash is required.

That's correct. Poland has wrong law. There is no cadastral tax, there is no extra tax from owning 2nd apartment, as it is in France or Germany. It leads to waste of resources, because people keep uninhabited houses for years.
Monitor   
4 Jul 2014
Study / Intensive Polish Course - the best schools in Poland? [21]

I don't think that anybody has researched this topic. Find where is the biggest number of hours and try contacting people who are currently taking part in these courses. Just for comparison in Germany there is course of German language for foreigners from 0 to B1. It takes 600 x 45 min. I think that part of participants (less than 50%) manages to pass B1 test and the rest has to repeat half of it. Thus I think that it's hard to learn a language in 450 min. But most of people, after repeating half, passes it. They say that Polish is harder. I am not sure if it's the case up to level B1, but if you see that language course last less that 450 min (or 600 x 45min) then it's impossible to learn up to B1 level there.
Monitor   
4 Jul 2014
Life / Cost of living in Wroclaw (rent price too) [119]

6000PLN net is substantially more. You would have to spend min. ~2000PLN for an apartment. 1000pln for food. So it seems that you would be able to save 2000PLN per month. while living quite comfortable. Answer yourself if it's enough to move. If you don't plane to stay long in Poland, then learning language has no sense, except of few phrases useful when shopping or asking for directions.

Many Indian people think that Poland could be their gateway to Germany or UK. Basically you would have to work in Poland for 5 years in order to get work permit for Germany. Otherwise only advantage of a job in Poland is that you could easier come for en interview than your colleagues from India. I am not sure if it's changing a lot. I think more important would be the knowledge of German, which you can obtain both in India and in Poland. As for UK I think that they don't give visas to Indians now because they want to cut the number of immigrants.
Monitor   
1 Jul 2014
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

You'd normally expect increased availability to put a dampener on prices.

You would have to find data about number of offered and constructed apartments now in Wrocław in order to know that.

According to this graph in 2013 the number of offered apartments in Poland was actually decreasing.

According to this one the number of finished apartments have been decreasing until this may, but should soon start increasing, because the number of constructions rises since July 2013.
Monitor   
1 Jul 2014
Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

If this graph is correct, then average price of apartments in Poland could still drop by 25%:

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Don't forget that watching at nominal prices has no sense. Only inflation adjusted prices have some meaning.

forsal.pl/galerie/796688,duze-zdjecie,4,ceny-mieszkan-i-oprocentowanie-kredytow-oto-najnowszy-raport-z-rynku-nieruchomosci.html

Here you can see that in last year transaction prices went up by around 2.2% in Wrocław. That would explain your observation of people rising offered prices. They also read such reports and react.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

Even if it is high, that's past generations. 'Only' 17.6% is, in any case, a curious statement. If you'd said 1.7% I'd have agreed to some extent. 17% is a different matter

It's not a statement 100% - 82.4% from that table equals 17,6%.

In all likelihood, the 82% would not be able to own if they were subject to the prices v income now, and that's a very important thing to think about, Monitor.

Why is it important to think about this alternative situation?

Prices are by any traditional measure far too high for 'average' Poles.

Traditionally in communism prices were I think around around 10 x higher than now. (if you don't count social communistic apartments which required to wait in queue for 20 years in order to get it)

And it's after all the Poles who deserve the same chance that should be considered first here, isn't it?

Live is not a game with equal rules for everybody on earth that you could say that somebody deserve something.

Btw the home ownership table you quoted is highest where intergenerational living is highest. That's not the same as really owning your own, individual dwelling.

Of course, when people cannot afford renting then they stay with parents, number of square meters per person goes down.

I agree with you that the situation in Poland is not easy. Taking mortgage for not so big apartment for 30 years can afford only marriages with good (close to average) earnings. Such salaries are available not for everybody and only in big cities. People in small towns usually don't earn enough to be able to put away over 200 000 PLN for a flat. That's why many people in small towns don't pay taxes, work illegally or work abroad in order to save for their home. So the situation is not hopeless. For many people there are possibilities.

It's not a good situation and people know it. That's why the topic of affordable apartments is repeating before every election. Currently there is some new program of subsidies to 1st apartment for young marriages too. Of course criticized, because it gives money to young people who can afford taking mortgage and pay own contribution - so it means above average rich young people. There is going to be some program of building some cheap renting houses. That's also partially the reason of previously mentioned housing bubble. Around 2004 government eased rules of getting mortgage. People became happy, that they can afford buying house, even that just with a credit. The bubble accelerated construction of houses, what influenced GDP growth.

So there is too little flats, that's why they're too expensive. New construction's speed is accelerating, but it seems too slow:



still much less is constructed than in communism.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

Luckily home ownership in Poland is quite high - 82.4%, so only remaining 17,6% have problem:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

Unluckily this 17,6% are usually young. They realize that rents in big cities, where are jobs, are too high and decide to emigrate to Western Europe, where average person can afford much more after paying their rent.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

But assuming you're right, it's not at all good if bread, milk and other essentials have also risen by a commensurate figure.

Weather it's bad or not it's possible to establish only by comparing what risen more: groceries and other goods (total inflation) or salaries. Economists say that in last 10 years salaries were faster than inflation. Then it's good for people.

It's completely normal that you know many people who earn less than average, because as wikipedia says "The salary distribution is right-skewed, therefore more people earn less than the average gross salary." And it's great majority of people who earn less than average. It's like that in every country. So there is no reason not to believe average, just accept it :) And the value which I quoted are gross.

She can't even afford the more typical 5200PLN on some estates, even for a small one, and she's been working for 20 years!

That's simply because Poland is not as reach country as USA and as a consequence many people will never afford their own house. There are rankings showing ratio between price of apartment and salary. You can see correlation between country richness and affordability of houses:

Warsaw moved up two positions

Even after the promotion of three places , Warsaw is still in the tail of the European countries , occupying only 22nd place ( previously 25 ) . Real estate prices in comparison to earnings are therefore the Vistula River just high. Such a state may be the fact that in Warsaw and throughout the country, housing is simply not enough to secure the basic needs of housing . As a result, the average net wage here allows for the purchase of only 2.5 square meters . Apartments of a high standard in the center of the city. According to estimates GPG , 120 - square meter apartment in the center costs approx. 399 thousand . euro (1.64 million zł ) . However, according to Eurostat, the average income raised by 20 % , an annual salary Warszawiak can be estimated at 8.5 thousand . euros or approx. 34.7 thousand . zł.


It's ratio of average salary net to the price of square meter in capital, that's why UK and France are so low, but there are places worse than Poland.

There are similar rankings comparing apartment price to average salary (availability) during time in Poland:

According to the analyst, " it was mainly the result of a significant increase in housing prices in Poland." Sadowski then relies on the NBP data on transaction prices in the primary market in the seven largest cities - in the fourth quarter . 2013. Prices were up by 7 per cent . higher than in the fourth quarter . , 2012 . NBP analysts also points to a reversal of the trend in housing market in Poland.

It shows similar results like the graph from my previous post about apartment prices inflation adjusted.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

People always complain, but in reality in 2004 average salary was 2290pln and now it's 3750pln:



But economists agree that majority of price increase around 2005 was caused by mortgage, salaries were rising too slowly to explain so rapid houses prices inflation. Foreign money went mostly into commercial estate and investments into private apartments from foreigners have been insignificant.

Moreover you're writing in present time, but price bubble was only between 2003 and finished in 2007. Since then nominal prices of apartments are falling. When counting in inflation, then they're now around value from the middle of 2005. Don't forget that inflation in Poland is usually bigger than in USA or Eurozone.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

@InWrocław: You're right that people should not want apartment prices to rise, but this is what investors want. I thought that you want to invest in Kraków, not buy home. In this case perhaps you're right to opt out of Kraków. Who knows how fast the air pollution will be decreasing. Rise in apartment prices is not a mystery. It was mostly caused by increase in number of taken mortgages, many with cheap interstates rates, because denominated in CHF or EUR. Substantial salary increase in last decade and money send from emigrants helped too.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

Was thinking of Krakow but it seems to have air quality issues.

From investment point of view, that's not an obstacle, as Kraków introduced ban on solid fuels in the city area since 2018. So the quality of air will only be getting better and perhaps the value of its properties together with it.

[gazetakrakowska.pl/artykul/1051912,zakaz-palenia-weglem-w-krakowie-mieszkancy-maja-watpliwosci,id,t.html]
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

Problem with this adds is that they're fake. Average for 1 room apartment in Białołęka district is 7000pln/m^2 not 2500 as in these adds.

Take a look here: tiny.pl/q84rs
Here you have real prices in Białołęka.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Work / Insurance / Customer Account Specialist job salary question is Warsaw [6]

Sobieski and DominicB are right. 5000 gross is what a company can offer, and 5000 should be amount which would let you to live in Warsaw close to an average western European level when taking lower food and services prices into consideration.
Monitor   
30 Jun 2014
Real Estate / Buying a property in Poland to rent out from the UK [82]

I think you better gather more, because this much will be enough to buy only studio apartment in small town. Better renting market is in the biggest cities and there you need minimum 200 000 PLN. What more, when investing in Poland you risk exchange course fluctuation. You should also find a company which could manage your apartment - find tenants. And 3rd if you stumble upon bad tenant, you will have a lot of problems, as it's hard to throw out not paying tenant. (I am not a specialist, but I've hard that it's possible to write smart renting agreement which protects rights of an landlord better) If you want to invest money, then it's much saver to rent business space for companies. It's easy to evict a company. You can find a found which manages many commercial properties and let you invest in them.

And don't forget that in investments the most important is the knowledge of market, so if you're not from Poland you may miss something.
Monitor   
26 Jun 2014
Life / Cost of living in Wroclaw (rent price too) [119]

@smartjames06: the 5000pln gross will allow you to survive in Poland with your wife, but forget about any saving. If you live frugally, then perhaps you can save for tickets to India. Your wife has nearly no chance to find a job in Poland. She would need to speak Polish language and get work permit (except if she's a programmer, then English is enough and permit can be obtained). In order for your wife not to get crazy alone at home I would suggest her to apply for some studies in English or 1 year preparatory course of Polish language. But that's extra cost, hard to pay from your not so high salary. (around 10 000 pln per year it costs)
Monitor   
13 Jun 2014
Work / Living in Katowice (programmer, 3000 PLN) - is it enough? [65]

So now it's too late. You should have asked before. When you say 1.5 year experience, then you mean full time job? If so, then you're very young for Polish standards. Most of Polish IT guys graduate with master degree in age around 24. Some of them has some job experience.