History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]



But it doesn't matter, I am not going to waste my time on mediocrity. If I was a Lithuanian, I would never called him Lithuanian - he's not a bit worth it.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

What about Eastern Galicia? Why did you fight Ukrainians there then?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War


So why there was not any referendum there, "applicants of the self-determination rule"? Why did you wage the war?


So funny, oh, Poles, Poles...;) But yes, karma returned you a favor. But instead of learning something from history, some pathetic snotty losers continue to blame everyone around and try to rig the history just to fit their limited, self-conceited idea of pretentious holiness.

Hey, how is your 1945 Parade invitation from Britain? It was, unfortunately, made, but to whom? Traitors? WWII instigators? Come on! And they are still not satisfied, "everyone betrayed us, we were sold..." Ha-ha-ha-ha.....;) Double-faced creatures.


I am not surprised a bit, Harry :)

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]


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Hm, what about that? Sisters, not some "Ojczyzna" and Poland sounds to be put in a passive mode, if I am correct here ;)



I have never read this book, but it seems to be too pompous and fairy-like, especially the following:





Soap opera? ;) Nevertheless, there is still not definite mentioning from the author about his feelings towards Poland. Even the heros themselves clearly differentiate both lands and call them "sisters" in a shallowly hidden hope :) to grab again Lithuanian lands ;(. You see, Torq even in the 21st century has a big portion of his brain devoted to the feelings described by Adam in characters of some of his heros ;) Once again: "Litwo, Ojczyzna moja..." - the words said by the author himself, not by his heros!

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]


So you want to say when someone in Polish is talking about his/her Motherland, he means only Poland? Mickiewich said: "Litwo, Ojczyzno moja..." BB would have said "Niemcy, Ojczyzno moja...", just not in his native language, but it doesn't change his or anyone else Motherland at the very least.


So? It doesn't contradict my statement at all: the Jew loved his country like a Pole loves his. More to support that he didn't mean Poland



Great man, Marek.

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]

Just that Mickiewicz meant the word "ojczyzna" the way you mean now when you say the motto.

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]



You are not going to tell me that the last word means a farm or anything similar?!

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]


I have a question, my friends:
Why does he say that he lost her (his Lithuania, his Fatherland)? And it seems like the only land he misses. If it refers to the loss of independance in the 1700s, then he should have missed Poland too or RP at least, in my opinion (if he considered them his ojczyzna).


I never saw a man to "see and describe in all its marvellous beauty" family farm, "missing it" and who just found about his enourmous love after he lost it ;) I think he meant more than a chicken coop :)

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

so wet off course ; )

USA, Canada / My boyfriend is being deported to Poland because his US visa expired, help needed [53]

Sorry to hear that. Don't give up, just try to contact an immigration lawyer and demand a court hearing.

History / Polish soldiers in '68 made Czech men to drink beer from his shoes... [34]


Some history from other sources, not Polish books ;):


I don't see you fighting the Soviet Union in 1919, but Ukrainian republic army.


Poland broke an agreement of 1918 in 1919 like it did in 1938 with agreement signed in 1925 with the same country.


Ukraine was inherited by Poland? Who gave you the inheritance, daughter of Einstein? ;)


So Cossacks fought for the recognition of Ukrainian nobility rights? Hm, you might become a new renowned Polish historian ;)


Cool, what a nice recognition, especially from the country, which didn't exist a couple of years earlier. There were Polish nationals in Ukrainian republic, but we didn't "recognize" you as a part of Ukraine (we've got enough morons, no need in extra)


What is that, some joke? It reminds me a bit of biological classifications in genuses and species like, for example, that bacteria I was infected with once Polonicus retardicus, which makes your ass itch.

History / Is Jozef Pilsudski the king of modern Poles? [138]


Everyone edits for you?! Don't incline, pajaca kawałek ;)

History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]


Never edited Wiki, have some decency at least.


Berestechko battle where you bribed the Tatars to flee the battlefield, kidnapping our commander-in-chief. Cossacks and Ukrainian peasants showed great discipline, even in time of panic, where some were holding Polish army as the others retreated. It was a victory of Polish-Lithuanian army, I don't deny it. But as in any battle, most of which you lost, you bribed Tatars to try to win. Winged jokes ;)

Sorry to the rest of you for not-related comments; this was my last one.

History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]

Battle of Batoh (1652)
Battle of Yellow Waters (1648)
Battle of Korsun
Battle of Pylavtsi:
The Poles also made good use of their time. In order to hold off the rebels they engaged Khmelnytsky in desultory negotiations and, at the same time, mobilized 32,000 noblemen and 8000 German mercenaries (interesting ;). As their forces, outfitted in the glittering finery that the szlachta so loved, gathered near Lviv, an observer remarked that the Poles were going to war not with iron but with gold and silver (no surprise here). The new Polish army was lead by three magnates: the indolent, luxury-loving Dominik Zaslwski, the erudite Latinist Mikolaj Ostorog, and the 19-year-old Aleksander Koniecpolski. Khmelnytsky sarcastically referred to them as peryna (the feather down bed), latyna (the Latinist), and dytyna (the child). On 2 September, the opposing armies met at Pylavtsi. During the battle, the Polish commanders lost their nerve and fled and, as the news spread, the rest of the army followed suit. Within hours this once splendid force was completely decimated by the Cossacks and their Tatar allies. 40,000 army fled like a herd into the wilderness. Quite impressive, Socki ;)

After the battle at Lviv and taking Vysokij Zamok (High Castle), only kind (stupid actually) heart of Ukrainian commander stopped complete annihilation of your kingdom as such. I bet you will find many other battles, mon cheri Socki, not to be proud of.

History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]


The same old BS of sole Polish saviors of Europe. Yes, there were Zaporozhyan Cossacks and Lithuanian army which both fought along many other nations. Without them you would end up like you did 60 years earlier in 1620 at Cecora, where the Turks crushed you like a pine-apple.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C5%A2u%C5%A3ora_(1620)


Stick to the point, Socki, it is about a battle of Grunwald and don't tramp Ukrainian fields with a foul mouth, rigging the history around :()

Food / Why carp for Polish Christmas? [157]


This is because it has its leaves cut off ;)

Food / Why carp for Polish Christmas? [157]


Both.


I think it is the other way around :)

Food / Why carp for Polish Christmas? [157]


That's exactly what I wanted to ask, cause we have "chrin" and Jewish "chrain" looks almost the same. Well, some say Jesus was born in the Carpathian mountains, so go figure ;) Both Jews and Polish borrowed it from Ukrainians - no doubt :) and you are very welcome.

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]

I find it very very hard to doubt, Torq, so I must agree ;)

Language / Ukrainian language similar to Polish? [236]

Well, having mastered not only the art of Polish language, but also some philosophy of deep and unpredictable Polish soul, I took everything into consideration and made this marvelous translation ;)






(I call it: Sh*t-in-my-face-and-then-send-me-a-kiss collection :)
Torq, this is a classic example where 3.1 billion euro in subsidies Poland received can be used to teach alloy people of that kind. I think on that front Poland is limping ;)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


So what that there were two candidates and each had almost the same support? Even if a pro-Russian one is elected, what it has to do with the split? The only problem it brings is the instability of the foreign policy, which usually has to be one-goal oriented. The Orange Revolution in Ukraine was not about who would win, it was about the corruption and manipulation during that year's presidential elections, which brought a pro-Russian candidate to the seat.


Russia had a major financial default in 1998. So? Where was the fire? The world lost billions. And what changed? The awe of the soul is still there and everybody's happy.

It consists of 83 federal subjects of people various nationalities. Here you might better make your predictions on split as soon as oil runs out.


I wish they could. But I would like to listen to those who have had a chance to visit the Soviet Union at that time.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Ukraine was and will always be one country - no splits whatsoever. The fact that Soviet era took millions of lives, russified the vast amount of country and implanted a quarter of Ukraine with Russians doesn't mean that Ukrainians will ever let anything like that happen. Regarding the deals being done up there among the West and Russia, I have no doubt. Russia constantly worked and works to undermine international relations of many post-Soviet countries. It will never stop, till it f*cking drops dead. Take Georgia, for example. Great country and great people who want be a normal West-like democracy. It has beautiful resorts, incredible wineries and natural springs of the world renown. Russia - 17 million sq.km; Georgia - 69.7 thousand sq. km. Russia is bigger 244 times for Christ sake! It covers more than 1/9th of the Earth's land! And still it tries to topple democracy everywhere it can and at the same time looks at Europe and the rest of the world and everyone is in awe - how great is Russian soul! What a ridiculous BS!

I just recalled an interesting fact about a guy I worked with. He served in Poland. The Soviet Union sent those soldiers special leather boots (just a simple example), which were not available to guys neither in Lithuania, Georgia, Ukraine nor Russia. The same goes about the Eastern Germany. It was made to keep them happy. The further to the West and away from the beast, the more lenient policy was used and more resources were poured to keep a good image. This still can be felt in Europe, which is always super-excited about the "greatness" of Russian nature. Let nobody EVER in their life experience this so-called greatness.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Thanks for appreciation. (a bit embarrassed Nathan left to make some coffee)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Hey, I am joking and smiling all the time too. I should have put smiley as well. Well, I thought it was obvious :) Never mind then, I'll try to be more funnier and obviousier next time ;)

Btw, sorry to get into your conversation, my fault.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald
Nevertheless, the translation by Polish chronicles was wrong (no surprise here ;) and "velt" in Grunenvelt means "open country, field". So it would mean then "green field". There is nothing Slavic, Polish or Serbian to it.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


You think that the Soviet army was some historical entity without any real nations behind it. Many believe that the Soviet army was made of Russians and nobody else.


It makes 20-25% from the total number of all conscripted soldiers (around 29 millions).
Interesting is that Yalta is mentioned so often. At Yalta conference the territories occupied by Poland from 1920 till 1939 and by Nazi Germany from 1941 till 1944 were recovered by joined forces, where Ukrainians made a very significant part. It is not like somebody signed a paper and poor north Poles remained crying as always in the corner. Ukrainians poured their blood liberating their land. Strangely enough you didn't manage to liberate your own country and now dare to jump around like little brats and demand something ;) Allied forces did you a favor in the West, your government was graciously accepted by the British and the concentration camps inmates + your land were freed with the help of the Soviet army in the East. The problem with some kids around here is that your are not ever satisfied. You helped Germans to rip Czechoslovakia apart, starting WW2 in October 1938, not in September 1939. You wanted Vilnius and surrounding territories from Lithuania in 1919-1920, you issued 2!!!!! ultimatums aimed to steal other countries' lands:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Polish_ultimatum_to_Lithuania


weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm
The same happened in L'viv in Ukraine. (No ultimatum, though :( just usual stealing spree)


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War
Wow, quite a country ;)
Yehh, keep on jumping Ultimators :)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Excellent idea, Sok.
(*Nathan looks at his shining pitchfork in the corner and a sickle. It brings him back into the past when Socrates used to visit him. "Will he come back, will he visit me again?" Nathan looks through the window and ,as usual, only empty wind blows from the western border.*)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


It is interesting. You might as well tell me about "liberation" by the Soviet army of Poland in 1944-45. I am not talking about who was better and who was worse, what side brought or would have brought less damage and murders. What the Soviet regime did in Ukraine and Poland was beyond horrible, no doubt about it. But all I am saying is that you have no right to that territory whatsoever and sniffling that the British betrayed you is not right. Nobody betrayed you. Is it the Soviet propaganda that Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in October of 1938? You signed an agreement with Czechs in 1925 stipulating the demarcation of the lands to be within each country. The Czechs even went on many consessions in regards to Poland. But nevertheless, Poland using increasing power of Nazis in Europe (which could have been curbed if Europe in general was less pus*ycattish and if Poland didn't make Germany even bolder at that moment by issuing unjust demands to Czechoslovakia) BETRAYED the agreement of 13 years earlier and bit a chunk of the Czech land.


Cooperation is usually good. I have nothing against it. It failed then, but now it seems to move in the right direction and I am happy about it :)

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


You, probably, wanted to say the lands occupied by Poland since 1920. Betrayed? Haha. You may say that about Czechoslovakia in 1938, when Poland invaded it with Nazi Germany. That is a betrayal all right.


That's what you did in 1349 and 1920 in Ukraine. Plus you burnt the flat, demolished the walls and said that the inhabitants have no right to pray and read.

Don't invade what isn't yours at the first place, so you don't have the reason to sniffle later about some "betrayal" on the British part. Grow up, son.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


That kind Slavic heart full of warm and kind feelings towards lost lambs...Oh Slavs...;)
Regarding BB and his honorary status as a helmet-maker - no way! thanks: the last time Germans were permitted to make helmets we ended up with the WWll ;)

He has to work on the North Africa project for capturing Sunrays (forgot the name of that project) so that Panslavia enjoy light and entertainment at night till the end of the world.

There is a condition, though: any Slavic or honorary-Slavs-capturing-Sun-light should be banned from dealing with Ugro-Finnes. We don't need further damage of the Baltic and Black seas. Serbia should receive a temporary suspension (with the real possibility of complete exclusion!!!) for unnatural attraction to non-Slavic nation, which is hurtful for the normal development of the Panslavia. I hope Crow will cure his illness and we will be able to accept him in the bossom of Panslavia ;)

Genealogy / Monte Cassino + Russian labour camp [23]

Check these:

gulagmuseum.org/museums/museum_01/spravka_eng.htm
dtic.mil/dpmo/sovietunion/gulag_study_20020622.pdf

I also found some Ukhta labor camp 226/4. Maybe, your grandfather will be able to recall the number. There was also Ukhta-Pechora camp.