History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


You might as well say that Jews and Poles experienced genocide by Ukrainians for centuries.
In that definition 'destruction' should be understood as physical extermination.


Ok, but your explanation was vague and misleading nonetheless :) I hoped that you would try one more time.


Rather Poland: the bad, the worse, and the worst ;) Is the victim status of Ukrainians unchallengeable?


I don't care about their apologies, but they shouldn't complain when Poles criticize UPA.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I wonder what according to you happened in Volhynia. Your explanation 'from Kievan Rus to WW2 slaughter' is a little too vague. Would you say something similar in court, as an advocate of a Ukrainian who brutally murdered thousands of Poles?


Genocide isn't about numbers. You probably read this before:
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.


Who would dare to criticize those Ukrainian Angels? As long as they don't 'lie', they can sleep in peace.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I second that. Any source confirming that NKVD members dressed as UPA were responsible for (many) Polish deaths during Volhynian slaughter?


Would you answer these questions:
- Where have you read about children in Bereza?
- How many children and women died there (and according to whom)?
- '387 died' - isn't it taken from infamous Victor Idzio?

I hope you will answer, Nathan, though I suspect it will be hard for you.

Genealogy / If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"... [217]


Your 'elite' was similar.


'Polish chauvinism' heard from a Lithuanian mouth ('more primitive partner')? You simply don't want to accept that 'barbarian' Polish culture/identity was attractive enough to be preferred over others ;) EOT

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Wrocław/Breslau/Vratislav was founded by Bohemian prince Vratislav I (and named after him), so it's Czech city :)

Genealogy / If your ancestors were in the "Wehrmacht"... [217]

Mickiewicz was 'Lithuanian' in the same way Piłsudski was (Józef also called himself a Lithuanian). It were 'Lithuanians' like them who wanted Wilno to be part of Poland after WW1.

Here is an interesting article written by an American Lithuanian:
lituanus.org/1977/77_1_01.htm


Looks like polish chauvinism ;)
Anyway, Mickiewicz probably had ruthenian/belarussian roots.

History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]


Here is a helpful quote from Mickiewicz, Books of the Polish Nation and its Pilgrimage:

Life / Levi's Jean Size U.S. - Polish [20]

It seems to be 8 in 'Misses' and 11 in 'Junior' size .

usatourist.com/english/tips/Womens-Sizes.html


It depends how low cut ;). If you mean 'biodrówki' like this - yes.


Both are ok, straight leg is more universal, not all women like skinny leg jeans.

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

True, you have no obligation to be reasonable.

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

First, you have to prove that cheating in Polish schools, is indeed accepted. When you prove it, you can try to answer the question. If you can't prove it, you shouldn't answer. As for now, we have only accusations, without any hard proofs.

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


Sometimes experience is filtered through a biased or distorted view, and it makes you perceive and remember certain things in a certain way ;)

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


Maybe you could comment on the links that I posted, about U.S and U.K? And then we can talk about case of typical denial ;)


Sorry, but this is not what I call a "real proof". As you can see personal experience can be relative and biased. Yours, mine or his... doesn't matter. From now on, only hard proofs like researches, stats or reports should be used as arguments.


As for exams in college, I believe this depends on which college one attends, the same goes with cheating. Situation in the primary and secondary school is slightly different, because you have many little exams during the term, not one big (from every subject) like it is sometimes in college.

Anyway, as I recently posted, survey results from the Educational Testing Service and the Ad Council suggest that 75 percent to 98 percent of students cheat in American high school. I don't think we could beat that ;)

Talking about "cheating culture" in U.K: There is a major conspiracy of silence over this ... a culture has been created which sends the message that cheating is part and parcel of university life. In the 'customer-client culture', degrees are seen as something you pay for rather than something you have to learn. It's the new ethos of university life." Professor Frank Furedi, University of Kent

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/3852869.stm

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


Ok. It's true that some students in Poland cheat. Although, in schools that I attended to, cheating was not common and always punished. Still, I don't understand why are you implying that Poland is a country of cheaters. Cheating in schools is the source of corruption and creates the fundaments of the cheating culture. May I understand your words like that? If so, let's see, how this 'cheating in schools' looks in some other countries:

About U.S.A
"A Duke University study shows that 75 percent of students admit to cheating. 90 percent of student admit to copying someone's paper. Denise Pope, adjunct professor in the School of Education at Stanford University says, "Nationally, 75 percent of all high school students cheat."

classroom-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/cheating_is_on_the_rise#ixzz0EALTNyQO&A

"The Majority of US Students Cheat. Recent survey results from the Educational Testing Service and the Ad Council suggest that 75 percent to 98 percent of students cheat in high school."

prlog.org/10035000-the-majority-of-us-students-cheat.html

About U.K
"A quarter of university students have cheated by copying material for essays from the internet, claims a survey. Researchers, working with an exam plagiarism watchdog, say that very few of these cheating students are caught."

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3852869.stm

"The use of mobile phones to help answer questions during (UK) exams helped contribute to a 9% increase in cheating."
textually.org/textually/archives/2005/04/007943.htm

"Cheating in national tests for 11-year-olds is so widespread that school league tables can no longer be trusted."
guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/28/schools.primaryeducation1

"Thousands of students cheating in exams. Almost 4,000 students were caught cheating in GCSE and A-level exams last summer, according to figures."
telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5011756/Thousands-of-students-cheating-in-exams.html

"Some British teachers `helping students cheat'. THE Times newspaper reports that senior examiners have discovered that teachers have been caught helping their students cheat in coursework that contribute towards their final GCSE and A- level grades. This included confirming pupils' coursework in writing as original despite clear indications that the children had either colluded with each other or plagiarised material from the Internet. Reports compiled by chief examiners for GCSE, A-level and vocational GNVQ courses also highlight concerns about over-generous marking and excessive assistance provided to pupils by their teachers. The complaints came from examiners for the Assessment and Qualifications Alliance (AQA) and Edexcel boards, which account for 75 per cent of the examinations taken by pupils. "

redorbit.com/news/science/35874/some_british_teachers_helping_students_cheat

Please, don't be hypocritical and don't tell us about morals. In Poland, students certainly don't cheat more, and you have no real proof that cheating is more accepted here. Przyganiał kocioł garnkowi - we would say ;)

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


Z dupy? From your ass? :P


Very good Polish ;)

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

I'm deadly serious about this matter and I'll defend Polish students ;). So...where did you get this 'GUS statistics'? ;)

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


Ha ha, that's not very funny ;)

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


But not necessarily in Poland.

amazon.com/Cheating-Culture-Americans-Doing-Wrong/dp/0151010188

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

Cheating isn't accepted in Poland! Please, don't make such unfair generalizations - you are implying some „cheating culture” and trying to explain it, there is no such thing as „cheating culture” in Poland. It's true that some students try to cheat, but no more than 5-15%.

What GoDfaTheR420 described is scandalous indeed, but very uncommon. I ended my primary and secondary school in Poland. Teachers were always very strict. Usually, at exams we had to sit individually, we had few versions of exam sheets/questions. If someone was spotted cheating or even looking in the wrong direction, this person automatically had to give back his/her work and got 1 (the lowest grade) and had to get out of classroom and was humiliated. I can't even imagine a teacher helping a student!

Paying for exams common? Definitely not. If any teacher or professor was caught on taking łapówka, his carrier would be broken! If someone is doing this, he must be hiding that very carefully like in every other country.


What your wife is doing is definitely not good, but really, that's not true it's normal in Poland. Although, I have to say, everywhere one can find some students trying to make their life easier. Look for example at yahoo answers where thousand of students from all over the world are posting, to make someone do their homework. If you think all students in Poland have such 'help' like you wife's brother, you are deeply mistaken. Majority of parents just don't have a time, wilingness (they want their children to actually learn something) or enough knowledge (they have forgotten some material from school). Even if they are helping, they're not doing whole homework for their children!

And, In Poland, exams aren't everything, you have to participate actively in a lesson (you got points for that), you have to answer teacher's questions, you have kartkówki (unannounced little exams - quiz?), projects, presetations. We don't get grades for nothing.




What are you doing here is creating another ugly myth about Poland, please don't do that.

I ask you, what do you really know about Polish schools? Were you educated here? I was. And I've been learning English in the Polish public school - that's the only source of my english 'skills' . There are probably very limited and I'm still making a lot of mistakes, but I wouldn't know English at all, if I was cheating at school.