News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]


"most of the area was taken over by local Polish authorities. The short-lived interim agreement of 2 November 1918 reflected the inability of the two national councils to come to final delimitation,[2] and on 5 November 1918 the area was divided between Poland and Czechoslovakia by another interim agreement.[3] In 1919 the councils were absorbed by the newly created and independent central governments in Prague and Warsaw."

This source you provided Harry is a half truth and incomplete. The councils did in fact come to an agreement but sly and revisionist Benes managed to persuade the allies to put the item on the agenda, Poland agreed on the understanding that a plebiscite would be held in the area under discussion, however Benes went back on his words and there was no plebiscite, and so the Poles had no choice but to respect the wishes of the local population.

I will be happy to back this up with Davies and Zamoyski, Did you know of Benes's dishonesty Harry?


Yes I totally agree, as the Czechs found to their cost in the Second War.

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]


It was a sideshow mostly fought by locals, the real thing was to come and needed thorough preparation-seeing as the Bolsheviks were strengthening their troops on the Polish border in advance.


Remind me if I am wrong, but I don't recall a clause in the treaty which stated "In the event of this treaty being broken by a particular country, the said country should be invaded by the other country"


Indeed and the Poles didn't even demand so much as a thank you for agreeing to support them against the USSR-seeing as how completely incapable of fighting for themselves they were. After seeing how absolutely incapable they were, and how little support they enjoyed among their own-can you blame them, who believes in the continuity of some mythical Ukrainian state? They realized that they had put their money on the wrong horse and decided to abide by the age old Ukrainian tactic, of giving up for the protection of mother Russia-aka Chmielnitsky.

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]


Or as some people call it Upper Hungary(:

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]

In the meantime I am glad that we have established that the Poles were making war preparations in the east, whilst the Czechs decided to invade Poland at the time disregarding the views of the Polish majority in the area. And later assisted the bolshevik invasion of Poland by withholding access to the Hungarian cavalry.

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]

And where exactly did you get this information from? I provided a source, unless I see anything to verify what you said I will have to consider it a lie, as I am sure any fair minded individual reading this thread would conclude


I will be happy to substantiate the above with a quote from Norman Davies in addition to the one I have provided above.

Travel / Irish Couple getting married in Zakopane. A nice hotel? [15]

Good luck to you, I hope it all works out well(:

I suppose you could always bring over a priest from Ireland, he could get in contact with somebody in the Polish parish and they could come to some sort of an arrangement, with the Irish priest presiding over the wedding.

You could bring over an Irish piper for some entertainment and find some of these folks to perform at your wedding



Highlander wedding:

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]

[hague1cmaeron


No I don't think so: "'The Czechs realized that they had given away rather a lot (...) It was recognized that any takeover in Teschen would have to be accomplished in a manner acceptable by the victorious Allies (...), so the Czechs cooked up a tale that the Teschen area was becoming Bolshevik (...) The Czechs put together a substantial body of infantry - about 15,000 men - and on 23 January 1919, they invaded the Polish-held areas. To confuse the Poles, the Czechs recruited some Allied officers of Czech background and put these men in their respective wartime uniforms at the head of the invasion forces. After a little skirmishing, the tiny Polish defense force was nearly driven out"

That is really low and underhand-actions of a coward. How ironic that they brought the Bolsheviks into this, seeing how they actually aided and abetted the attempted bolshevik takeover of Poland.

We should also remind ourselves that this all started because of Czech revisionasim, the respective Czech and Polish local governments in the area agreed on a division of the area along lines respectful of nationality, only for the Czechs to come along and cause a dispute.

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]


Yes they were the war commenced on February 1919. And preparations had to made earlier-like I said the bulk of the army was in the east.


Remind me if I am wrong, but I don't believe they made a declaration of war-COWARDLY.

That's where the crux of the problem rests, greed:

" Historian Richard M. Watt writes, "On 5 November 1918, the Poles and the Czechs in the region disarmed the Austrian garrison (...) The Poles took over the areas that appeared to be theirs, just as the Czechs had assumed administration of theirs. Nobody objected to this friendly arrangement (...) Then came second thoughts in Prague. It was observed that under the agreement of 5 November, the Poles controlled about a third of the duchy's coal mines."

News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]

I thought we had already discussed this, Polish forces were concentrated in the east awaiting the war with the Bolsheviks, the Czechs took this opportunity-in true cowardly fashion to attack Poland, going to great lengths such as dressing their soldiers in foreign uniforms in preparation for the attack. Their knavery was well and truly confirmed when they gave support to the Bolsheviks in conjunction with the Germans-who hoped Poland would be overrun, when they refused to give access to Hungarian calvary that wanted to assist Poland.

Besides, lets not let stories get in way of the fact that the population concerned was overwhelmingly Polish and wanted to belong to a Polish state-which the Czechs knew very well. The real issue at stake for the Czechs were the rich coal deposits they had their eyes on, and they couldn't allow the referendum to proceed which would have confirmed the rejection of Czech nationality in the area.

Their action was inspired by the same sort of bravery which resulted in them being taken over without a shot being fired in the Second War.

News / 100% TRUE! RAT MEAT PREPARED IN 3 BIGGEST CHINESE RESTAURANTS IN KRAKOW CLOSED DOWN ! [96]


I have heard that before, but what exactly does it mean?

Travel / Pics of Warsaw by the Guardian's David Levene [107]

I Like the Racoon

Law / Poland headed for an accounting disaster? Imports underestimated, no Euro entry [19]


Economics is not a science smart ass, inaccuracy is part parcel of economics, and the fact that people get paid to make these PREDICTIONS means that is more valuable than you condescending reply would suggest.

In your case I think it is more to do with defeatism.


With pleasure, in recent years the government has underestimated the rate growth by a good percentage point. Some EU and international bodies have underestimated the rate by a good 2 percentage points! I expect the trend to continue.

I will make another bold prediction, most economic institutions, including the Polish government are predicting a rate of 4% this year, I predict that it will be 5%-if not higher.

So come back to this thread when the year is out.

Life / Polish patriotism, what does it mean to you? [46]

Wroclaw Boy


It means being patriotic in deed and not only in word, it also means that I do not cloak my personal inadequacies and shortcomings with "patriotism" For instance: life is hard for me because I am Polish....... This wouldn't have happed had I not been a Pole. The world is out to get me because I am Polish. My life has been a complete failure so I will try all the more harder to let everyone know that I am from Poland.

It also means not disgracing my country through my actions.

History / Whoever is a Pole, of Polish blood and Polish origin... MUST listen this song of Racowie [57]


I do, i knew how it sounded before i heard it, i just wanted to pull Crow's chain, undoubtedly the south "Slavs" got a lot of their inspiration from oriental music, that is why it sounds more oriental than European.


i love Turic rhythms, almost Spanish sounding in this clip(:

History / Whoever is a Pole, of Polish blood and Polish origin... MUST listen this song of Racowie [57]


Trust me the music is almost identical, listen to this example and compare what you played, if you play them at the same time you will see how well they complement each other :

...
You know what I think, you might have found your long lost tribe(:

Turquerie was the Orientalist fashion in Western Europe from the 16th to 18th centuries for imitating aspects of Turkish art and culture. Many different Western European countries were fascinated by the exotic and relatively unknown culture of Turkey, which was part of the Ottoman Empire, and at the beginning of the period the only power to pose a serious military threat to Europe. The West had a growing interest in Turkish-made products and art, including music, visual arts, architecture, and sculptures.

Study / French or English or Polish schools in Poznan (for age 9 and 11) [34]


I found out the hard way when I spent a year in Pl, at about that age in 1997, it was tough.


I can't believe my parent subjected me through this):

Law / Poland headed for an accounting disaster? Imports underestimated, no Euro entry [19]

They should sit tight and wait out the storm, If the storm blows over and the Euro remains intact, they should join in 2013 at the earliest.

In the meantime they should try to reap the benefits of competitively priced exports, that however is not a long term solution to economic prosperity.

Law / Poland headed for an accounting disaster? Imports underestimated, no Euro entry [19]

There was an article going around by either the World Bank or some other entity that predicted that in 20 years time based on current projections of an average growth rate of some 4.5%-which was Poland's rate of growth for the previous 10 years, Poland will get there and catch up with Germany.

In my opinion that is a conservative estimate, I believe it is likely to be closer to 5%. My personal prediction would be 4.8%, that is why I moved the timescale down by some 5 years.

History / Whoever is a Pole, of Polish blood and Polish origin... MUST listen this song of Racowie [57]

[quote=Crow]Shall we conclude that Polish nobility lost compass and preferred Turkish/Indian/Arabic clothes instead of Europe/quote]

I did not mean to offend you Crowie, it's just that the music sounds very Arabic, that's all. The Poles did have a fascination with Turkish attire and arts and crafts. They appreciated the finery of the silks and embroidery, so some dressed the "Samartian" way on and sometimes the "European" way-with the wig and waistcoat etc. They also appreciated or created a voge for Turkish music-Poland was the first country to adopt a Turkish musical troupe.

A lot of other composers got their inspiration from Turkish sounds, this is one of my particular favorites:

Beethoven-Turkish March from the ruins of Athens
youtu.be/1IXLfPcgX1U

Mozart-Turkish March ...
Of course unlike the Serbian stuff, this sounds distinctly European.

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]

Quite funny. The visit of Italian PM to Poland .

History / Whoever is a Pole, of Polish blood and Polish origin... MUST listen this song of Racowie [57]

Sounds like something out of Turkey or the middle east, seems to me that your compass should be facing south.

Life / Cost of living in Wroclaw (rent price too) [119]


Where is south Africa did you live?

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]


It's possible, anything east of lwow or even the surrounding regions, and things get decidedly blurry, unless of course your relatives happened to be living in a manor house.


Come on get over yourself, you seem to assume that every German believes in a particular stereotype, millions of Germans visit Poland every year, they know what the real Poland is like. Do you honestly believe that when they go back to Germany they hold on to stereotypes and propagate them amongst their own countrymen, that is just silly thinking.


the second clip was funny, in a real crude way(:

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]


I agree if we can't learn to laugh at each other we haven't progressed very far. I found the clip pretty good natured. I don't see what the fuss is about. This preciousness must be a POLAM thing.

News / MORE ANTI-POLISH SENTIMENT IN GERMANY [280]

I find the clip quite funny actually. Farmer wants a wife, we have the show here in Australia. I don't believe that it was meant to be sinister in any way, and yes to a degree there is a grain of truth in the clip in that there are still pockets of rural poverty in Poland. Ultimately it’s the Poles that have the last laugh with all the billions of Euros coming from Germany Poland's way.

Law / Poland headed for an accounting disaster? Imports underestimated, no Euro entry [19]


Well obviously....lifting taxes is one way of paying down the debt, which BTW is still a lot smaller than other European nations+VAT on pre-processed foods has actually gone down.

Other deficit reduction measures, or measures aimed at improving the balance sheet so to speak....include the recent pension changes by limiting the % amount put into OFE. A good way of tackling the problem without unnecessary pain. I bet you would have complained if they stated cutting public services.

Besides given the relatively underdeveloped state of Poland's infrastructure, this means that it would be quite stupid to suddenly halt spending at all costs to bring down debt. Government spending which is usually matched by EU funds needs to be spent in a certain time period, and it wouldn't be wise for Poland to forgo its opportunity to develop. Besides the money invested in infrastructure creates jobs-stops unemployment from going up, and boosts medium and long term economic growth.

Ultimately it's the economic growth rate, which seems to be going into the upswing phase of economic growth-which is likely to return to boom levels, that will eliminate the debt.


Sounds like silly 30s nationalism to me, Poland should take investment from wherever it can. Many countries would kill to get the type of foreign investment Poland enjoys. And ultimately no single company is guaranteed perpetual existence and freedom from competition.


Trust me it will happen sooner than you think, I would give it a maximum of 20 years. Although I think it is more likely to be about 15. Even within the next 5 years Poland will be quite a different country from the one it is now-and I mean that is a positive sense, provided it maintains its present course.

Feedback / Why PolishForums? Give us your stories! [60]

I wanted to find some specific Historic info, google directed me to the website , kept ignoring it for a bit until I finally joined, and the rest as they say is history(:

The humour and the insightful opinions attract me, and I get the chance to practice my jousting.

Life / Only the poor Poles are buying at Biedronka? [32]


The person is so socially inept, can't drive a car doesn't have a bank account etc. And he wants to be PM of Poland! He has no idea what real life is like, he doesn't have a family for instance, he has no idea what life is like for a couple with children. I wouldn't hire him to clean my toilet, and he wants to run the Country! This is well and truly beyond a joke, the man is a joke! I believe the Polish description of the man would be niedolezna uferma ludzka.


Wrong he didn't blame it on Kaczynski, he was simply trying to demonstrate how out of touch Kaczynski was with reality and how out of touch he is with ordinary families. And may I say he succeeded with flying colours.

UK, Ireland / Poles in Ireland by Peadar de Burca. They "turned their backs on a country that gave them" [195]

Not a good time(:

UK, Ireland / Oxford Polish bride 'heartbroken' over arrest - accusations of sham marriage [126]


Sorry Southern, but even if you paid one, she still wouldn't marry you. And the thousands bit is made up by you, as for the Polish authorities, they do not fiddle the figures like the Greeks do.