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Poland's expats' colonial mentality? [176]
I don't think I am being 'defensive' about it tbh.
No? Ha, but you see, I remember the times on this forum when whenever a Pole would write that some comment about Poland or Poles is untrue, that someone is exaggerating or obsessed (about Polish women, for example) he or she would get the "You're being defensive" comment from a foreigner. I really hated that because Seanus was doing this very often and he was a repulsive individual.
It was refreshing for once to use it against one of you :)
I'm just a human :)
It seems like a subject that is causing you great angst.
Why would you say that?
I'm getting irritated when people repeatedly imply I wrote or think something that I didn't and don't, that's all.
I feel pity for you that you view the world in the way that you do.
That's a very condescending and untrue thing to say.
As I explained more than once to you, I don't view the world in the way you think I do.
But there are people who do.
There are also people who are xenophobes, racists, etc.
Everybody knows about this. It's common knowledge.
So I really don't understand why you're not aware of sth that many people are aware of.
It's just strange, you know?
My advice, for what it's worth, would be to find something more interesting to obsess about than your 'hierarchy of nations theory'.
Good man, I am not obsessed about it lol It's just an observation that I decided to share on this forum for the first time and only because the topic of this thread led me to do it.
I don't understand why are you being so hostile about this?
To me this suggests you don't or you think many Poles don't do anything about problem "x" due to not caring about problem "x."
I don't know how you came to such conclusion. Why would you understand this in such a way?
I simply wrote that it's silly that foreigners think that "when they make a thread on PF about sth and complain there then it will change sth in Poland".
How a thread on an internet forum that is being read by just a few Poles can change anything in a country of 38 mln people?
And why do you think that Poles don't know about the basic things that have to be imroved in Poland?
Why do you guys think that it takes a foreigner to tell them that?
Not all things can be changed but again, if your response is "what can you do?" then that says you don't really care.
No, you didn't understand what I meant.
I gave example of Jason's thread for a praticular reason. Here's his thread:
https://polishforums.com/life/poland-hey-little-infrastructure-65244/The thread is about the poor condition of Polish roads. Now, not only that foreigners already complained about Polish roads on PF many, many, many times before, but Poles KNOW very well that Polish roads suck. Every Pole complains about them, it's almost like a proverb.
Of course, Jason is a newbie in Poland so I guess he could be forgiven that for some reason he thinks Poles are blind and can't see Polish roads suck and that they need "a little outside criticism" lol
But what I found particularly funny is that he wrote "and a nudge to get things moving, maybe." lol
Yes, when an American will write what he thinks on an internet forum it will cause for things to get moving xD Bow down nations, the foreigner has spoken! ;D
Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm not angry about it, I just find it really funny xD
The "what can you do" comment was about that. "What can you do about such a silly idea that a thread on an internet forum can be a nudge to get things moving?" Only laugh.
You have your reasons, I am curious what they are but for heaven's sakes, I hope you wouldn't think me arrogant simply for commenting on things other Poles comment on. I hope I've got you completely wrong and that.
It's not about complaining itself, because Poles complain all the time. It's about how you do it. And why you do it.
Well if I read that the majority of people thought that people where I'm from tend to do this or that I'd ask for some examples and try to get a clearer view of their perspective.
Who says about "majority of people"?
I'll give you an example. When some hateful trolls will come here and write that all or majority of Polish women are cheap sluts who will give you a blow job for 5 zł then do you think I should try to get a clearer view of their perspective, give it some thought, y'know decide if there's any merit to the point made, then, objectively reflect on my own habits and decide if i ought to change? lol
Why would I do that if I live in Poland, know more Polish women than any of those trolls will ever know in their sad lives and I know that all or majority of Polish women aren't cheap sluts who will give you a blow job for 5 zł?
I just don't see the sense in being rude simply due to a misunderstanding. Please don't write "us" when I am responding to "you" (Paulina)- it is unfair/inaccurate.
I am terribly sorry for my outrageous behaviour. I must admit I find your style of writing/discussing and attitude irritating, but from now on I will try to ignore my personal preferences and the prejudices I'm sure I've acquired because of this splendid forum and show as much patience and understanding as possible and I shall dedicate as much time to explain everything I meant as I manage to.
But aside from pip's usual nonsense it seems you (Paulina) get offended when a foreigner says anything you might perceive as being critical of all of Poland.
No, that's not the case. I simply react when some comment is really wide of the mark, when someone thinks sth because someone told him/her sth which is not true, etc.
Recent examples - someone asking in a thread whether it's true it's unusal for Poles to like cats because one person said so. So I reply that it isn't unusal for Poles to like cats.
Some American asked whether Poles in Poland dislike charity because she was told by some people in USA that they dislike it. So I write: "No, it isn't true". Because it isn't.
OK?
I was trying to understand your point of view more but your explanation/justification of it has suddenly become childish so good luck with that.
At what point it became childish? Could you quote or direct me to the right post?
Because I don't think people from Western countries 'look down' on Poles to the extent she imagines.
And what extent do I imagine? I just wrote about "looking down", not about the extent of this looking down.
Imho, Poland is obsessed with comparing itself with 'the west',
Oh, it is! Though it is changing from what I see. At least among people on the ground, I think the media and politicians seem to be a bit more obsessed about it still ol
But that doesn't change the fact that it's true about that looking down I wrote about.
whereas 'the west' is indifferent rather than hostile to 'the east'.
But I didn't write anything about being "hostile".
Although it can get hostile. Not only on internet forums.
Back home
Where do you come from, if you don't mind me asking?
I don't always agree with her, but I can't understand why you think that Paulina (and others) have an inferior complex.
I can't understand this either. If a Russian or, I don't know, an Ukrainian, would say that some Poles look down on them would that mean that this Russian or Ukrainian has an inferiority complex? Well, he may or may not, we don't know that, but it's a fact that some Poles look down on those nationalities.
Btw, what do you disagree about (I mean in this thread), delph? I'm curious about your feedback.
In Poland you are ALWAYS asked, "why did you come here?"
You know, there is a reason why Poles emigrated to Greece (or any other Western country) and Greeks (and other Westerners) didn't emigrate to Poland lol
So it always makes people curious when someone from the West actually comes to live here, because it's... unusual.
The main reason why foreigners settle in Poland is because they married a Polish woman and she doesn't want to leave her country.
So I really don't know what do you expect from Poles? lol
Life is hard for working-class people. If you don't know this then you don't really know Poland.
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