Foreigner4
15 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
-a traitor to whom?
He broke his oath and was a traitor.
-a traitor to whom?
Foreigner4
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
*That was a binary set Harry (yes/no right/wrong). If you care to answer them in binary fashion then please feel free to draw conclusions or parallels to the individual after that. It pollutes the question I'm driving at otherwise.
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*That was a binary set Harry (yes/no right/wrong). If you care to answer them in binary fashion then please feel free to draw conclusions or parallels to the individual after that. It pollutes the question I'm driving at otherwise.
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Foreigner4
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
and my question for you is if you think it is wrong or if you think it is right to break an oath if keeping it would go against your conscience (regardless of your thinking at the time of the oath)?
No. The only 'basking' is in wrong and right
and my question for you is if you think it is wrong or if you think it is right to break an oath if keeping it would go against your conscience (regardless of your thinking at the time of the oath)?
Foreigner4
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Ah yes, let us bask in the glory we allot for the Nazi soldiers who would not break their word of honour in all their endeavors, for Soviet troops who would not break their word of honour when choosing to inflict more and more brutality on Poles, for American soldiers who won't shun the burden of dropping ordinances where ever they're commanded (civilians be damned), and for any terrorist who chooses to bring chaos upon civilians as they keep their sacred alongside their Israeli counterparts-choosing to bulldoze and execute innocent but unfortunately not Jewish families in their homes....honour indeed.
An oath is simple. Keep it or break your word of honour.
Ah yes, let us bask in the glory we allot for the Nazi soldiers who would not break their word of honour in all their endeavors, for Soviet troops who would not break their word of honour when choosing to inflict more and more brutality on Poles, for American soldiers who won't shun the burden of dropping ordinances where ever they're commanded (civilians be damned), and for any terrorist who chooses to bring chaos upon civilians as they keep their sacred alongside their Israeli counterparts-choosing to bulldoze and execute innocent but unfortunately not Jewish families in their homes....honour indeed.
Foreigner4
14 Feb 2012
History / Polish Officer in NATO, Col. Ryszard Kukliński. [145]
Any soldier? For any cause? Regardless if his beliefs changed? Regardless of anything?
Life is so simple for some; why do I make mine so complicated by thinking?
There is however a universal principal that a soldier does not betray his vow. Ever
Any soldier? For any cause? Regardless if his beliefs changed? Regardless of anything?
Life is so simple for some; why do I make mine so complicated by thinking?
Foreigner4
7 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
You say you're sorry then insist on the veracity of you lie; perhaps you simply can't stop lying on this matter.
I am not discussing Hamas, I hadn't brought up the topic nor had I contributed to discussing Hamas- you have brought up that organization for the sole purpose of a red herring. We're at the point now where your dishonesty is so evident that there's nothing you can write which could distract from it. Nonetheless, whatever Hamas' position is (I honestly don't know what they have said about Jews, Catholics or Hindus for that matter), it does nothing to preclude Israelis from also being contemptuous of others' rights and engaging in immoral or downright evil endeavors (regardless that be the slaughter of non-jewish families in their homes or pursuing illegitimate property claims in Poland).
This position of having to choose one side or the other is naive if we consider for a moment that political groups are under no obligation to be honest with their motives and objectives- their goals are historically of self-interest. It is perfectly plausible that neither side is acting in good faith and it seems to me preposterous that so many insist (parrot) on exactly that scenario.
You sir, cause me impatience on this topic- make a statement worth responding to or relieve me of your deceptively barren rebuttals.
Sorry there, dude, but my post regrading Israel's policies aren't fictitious!!
You say you're sorry then insist on the veracity of you lie; perhaps you simply can't stop lying on this matter.
Fictitious would be the claim that Hamas...
I am not discussing Hamas, I hadn't brought up the topic nor had I contributed to discussing Hamas- you have brought up that organization for the sole purpose of a red herring. We're at the point now where your dishonesty is so evident that there's nothing you can write which could distract from it. Nonetheless, whatever Hamas' position is (I honestly don't know what they have said about Jews, Catholics or Hindus for that matter), it does nothing to preclude Israelis from also being contemptuous of others' rights and engaging in immoral or downright evil endeavors (regardless that be the slaughter of non-jewish families in their homes or pursuing illegitimate property claims in Poland).
This position of having to choose one side or the other is naive if we consider for a moment that political groups are under no obligation to be honest with their motives and objectives- their goals are historically of self-interest. It is perfectly plausible that neither side is acting in good faith and it seems to me preposterous that so many insist (parrot) on exactly that scenario.
You sir, cause me impatience on this topic- make a statement worth responding to or relieve me of your deceptively barren rebuttals.
Foreigner4
6 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
I never stated other governments don't do such things, I merely pointed out that your claim regarding the Israeli government is fictitious.
Foreigner4, you name me a country which hasn't executed, murderers, traitors or other capital criminals, in some cases, publically!!
I never stated other governments don't do such things, I merely pointed out that your claim regarding the Israeli government is fictitious.
Foreigner4
6 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Uh, dude, the politicians of Israel have had quite a few people executed, just not in the same manner as the example you've provided.
Uh, dude, the politicians of Israel have had quite a few people executed, just not in the same manner as the example you've provided.
Foreigner4
6 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Wait, are people actually trying to argue that since the RCC is going unchecked with regard to their property and financial claims in this country, that it then follows that Jews should be free to do so if they wish to as well?
Wait, are people actually trying to argue that since the RCC is going unchecked with regard to their property and financial claims in this country, that it then follows that Jews should be free to do so if they wish to as well?
Foreigner4
6 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
I think this topic can be boiled down to one word- hypocrisy. People take note of when someone or some people are being disingenuous. People take special note of when the disingenuous manage to fool people from catching on to their scheming. This is what's happening; there is a chance there are people who are being disingenuous with their claims and their "status" as victims. Those people in this case would be Jewish. This does not mean all or even the majority of claims in this matter are being made by disingenuous parties- it is mostly all hypothetical at this point. But already anyone doubting the veracity of every single claim based on their knowledge of prior deception made by some Jewish groups has to prove their innocence of bigotry despite never making any comments that could be interpreted as such.
It is of note that EVERY time anyone EVER objects to claims being made by Jewish people, in this matter or others and for whatever their reason, accusations of racism and bigotry come to the forefront faster than you can say Hozanah. If sound counterarguments can be made then certainly they can be made without the social knee jerk reactions (and I'm pretty socially liberal).
It is this and this alone that sets people off and causes people, myself included, to become suspicious of large scale "reparations" demands as it has been obvious for some time that there are despicable abuses and misrepresentations going on by some Jewsish people. Being disgusted by corruption in politics, business, social benefits and undue ww2 reparations are facts of life in Europe and the world, one should be free to inquire into them.
If a person cannot digest that then it is clear they have no interest in objective discussion.
I think this topic can be boiled down to one word- hypocrisy. People take note of when someone or some people are being disingenuous. People take special note of when the disingenuous manage to fool people from catching on to their scheming. This is what's happening; there is a chance there are people who are being disingenuous with their claims and their "status" as victims. Those people in this case would be Jewish. This does not mean all or even the majority of claims in this matter are being made by disingenuous parties- it is mostly all hypothetical at this point. But already anyone doubting the veracity of every single claim based on their knowledge of prior deception made by some Jewish groups has to prove their innocence of bigotry despite never making any comments that could be interpreted as such.
It is of note that EVERY time anyone EVER objects to claims being made by Jewish people, in this matter or others and for whatever their reason, accusations of racism and bigotry come to the forefront faster than you can say Hozanah. If sound counterarguments can be made then certainly they can be made without the social knee jerk reactions (and I'm pretty socially liberal).
It is this and this alone that sets people off and causes people, myself included, to become suspicious of large scale "reparations" demands as it has been obvious for some time that there are despicable abuses and misrepresentations going on by some Jewsish people. Being disgusted by corruption in politics, business, social benefits and undue ww2 reparations are facts of life in Europe and the world, one should be free to inquire into them.
If a person cannot digest that then it is clear they have no interest in objective discussion.
Foreigner4
5 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Unbelievably inaccurate and dishonest accusation- just post facts to disprove his claims or shut the hell up. Nobody is being convinced of anything except that you're shooting blanks when you retaliate with name calling and the "racist card." Prove him wrong or state your opinion on the matter but to cry "racist" when no mention of race even appeared really does a disservice to the discussion.
Here's one chain of events that kind of thinking has led to in the past: individuals' claims become community claims which then becomes a contest a community(x) vs individuals which then forces the individuals to form a community(y) which then turns into a battle of communities- war. I'm not saying that's the ONLY way it could go but that's a direction things have gone in the past.
You've taken this weird stance on the matter that anyone identifying themselves as being Jewish is entitled whatever it is which they make a claim to in Poland (or anywhere else for that matter). In your argument you've estimated that no abuse or misrepresentation can exist on those seeking property. Why wouldn't there be? It's such ridiculous logical inconsistencies and gaps in your statements makes your posts seem very biased and unbalanced. You and delph have both thrown out the racist card (yours more veiled) despite no race being discussed, it seems that when one makes a point of hypocrisy coming from this particular group of people, such claims are the norm and not the exception.
It seems that way, I would like to see a rational rebuttal to this interpretation but it hasn't come.
International Jewish groups went after Switzerland for money Jews felt were due individual Jews, only to have a small amount of the money actually end up going to the individual Jews they said they were working on behalf of. Most of the money stayed in the treasury and bank accounts of those Jewish political groups that went after the Swiss.
Unbelievably racist accusation
Unbelievably inaccurate and dishonest accusation- just post facts to disprove his claims or shut the hell up. Nobody is being convinced of anything except that you're shooting blanks when you retaliate with name calling and the "racist card." Prove him wrong or state your opinion on the matter but to cry "racist" when no mention of race even appeared really does a disservice to the discussion.
If anyone has title to it, it is the Jewish community.
Here's one chain of events that kind of thinking has led to in the past: individuals' claims become community claims which then becomes a contest a community(x) vs individuals which then forces the individuals to form a community(y) which then turns into a battle of communities- war. I'm not saying that's the ONLY way it could go but that's a direction things have gone in the past.
You've taken this weird stance on the matter that anyone identifying themselves as being Jewish is entitled whatever it is which they make a claim to in Poland (or anywhere else for that matter). In your argument you've estimated that no abuse or misrepresentation can exist on those seeking property. Why wouldn't there be? It's such ridiculous logical inconsistencies and gaps in your statements makes your posts seem very biased and unbalanced. You and delph have both thrown out the racist card (yours more veiled) despite no race being discussed, it seems that when one makes a point of hypocrisy coming from this particular group of people, such claims are the norm and not the exception.
JonnyM: We are discussing Polish Jews, a cohesive community and distinct ethnicity. It's plain and simply an extortion
It seems that way, I would like to see a rational rebuttal to this interpretation but it hasn't come.
Foreigner4
3 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. Not condoning and not seeking prosecution are not one in the same; I had expected better of you than that low-ball attempt though. It would suggest you know you're losing this one so best to get off the first salvo of crying "racist!" before beating your retreat.
Hate needs to be stamped out and the best way to do that is through EDUCATION and OPEN DISCUSSION, not legislation.
Why not just post facts to dispute what Mel or anyone else claims is true for one group of people and let those facts speak for themselves?
Personal insult removed.
you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. Not condoning and not seeking prosecution are not one in the same; I had expected better of you than that low-ball attempt though. It would suggest you know you're losing this one so best to get off the first salvo of crying "racist!" before beating your retreat.
And hate speech needs to be stamped out.
Hate needs to be stamped out and the best way to do that is through EDUCATION and OPEN DISCUSSION, not legislation.
Why not just post facts to dispute what Mel or anyone else claims is true for one group of people and let those facts speak for themselves?
Personal insult removed.
Foreigner4
3 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Are "Jews" a race?
If that's how you see the issue then you've got some problems with continuity of thought. You, while possibly very talented, likely have no idea whether or not Mel knew what he said in his drunken ramblings would be broadcasted around the world. I will go out on a limb and say it not very likely. There's hate speech about everyone these days, quit yer crying.
Are any of those a race?
Are "Jews" a race?
You've got the wrong end of the stick. He said it in the first place; everything newsworthy he says is likely to be reported, and he knew that. He cared not one little bit that it was adding to the already seamy store of hate speech about the particular people he chose to malign.
If that's how you see the issue then you've got some problems with continuity of thought. You, while possibly very talented, likely have no idea whether or not Mel knew what he said in his drunken ramblings would be broadcasted around the world. I will go out on a limb and say it not very likely. There's hate speech about everyone these days, quit yer crying.
Foreigner4
3 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
If you're serious then you have issues with logic and proportion on this particular topic. Following your train of thought, it wouldn't matter what anyone said if they were not "high profile" and even then it would only matter if it were broadcasted to the world be it through their consent or not. It was bigoted drunk talk that he would have liked to surpress not publicize so blame the media for that one.
What is racist about the thread title? If it read the same but with a different nationality e.g. Russians, Germans, Americans would it still be racist?
This will probably be booted to off-topic anyhow
Bigoted drunk talk from Joe Bloggs, Foreigner4 or Uncle Tom Cobbley is one thing - bigoted drunk talk by a very high profile A list Hollywood Royal that's reported round the world and goes unpunished is quite another.
If you're serious then you have issues with logic and proportion on this particular topic. Following your train of thought, it wouldn't matter what anyone said if they were not "high profile" and even then it would only matter if it were broadcasted to the world be it through their consent or not. It was bigoted drunk talk that he would have liked to surpress not publicize so blame the media for that one.
And it adds to the vile racist sentiment that is reflected in the title of this thread.
What is racist about the thread title? If it read the same but with a different nationality e.g. Russians, Germans, Americans would it still be racist?
This will probably be booted to off-topic anyhow
Foreigner4
3 Feb 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
No. I'd probably need to be as drunk as Mel was just to figure out how you think that's anything but ridiculous. Was it deliberated and designed to incite people towards cutting down the Jews one by one? Fcuk no. Was it bigotted drunk talk? Yes. Whoop dee fcuking doo.
"50 pages long with people baying for his blood[?]" If he'd said such things about Poles then it wouldn't be surprising there'd be 50 pages of rhetoric on POLISHFORUMS.COM and not Israelforums.com but seeing as he said something about Jews it would be unlikely to find the 50 pages you desire on POLISHFORUMS.COM.
The most frustrating thing about reading what you idiots try to pass off as educated and nuanced opinions is that it's mostly cheerleading from one side or the other (THERE CAN ONLY BE 2 SIDES ON ANY ISSUE) with an additional dose of SFA for context i.e. perspective other than your own lives taken into account before coming to your dull and predictable conclusions.
He certainly should be prosecuted for some of the things he has said about that particular community. If he'd said that stuff about Poles there'd be a thread on here 50 pages long with people baying for his blood.
No. I'd probably need to be as drunk as Mel was just to figure out how you think that's anything but ridiculous. Was it deliberated and designed to incite people towards cutting down the Jews one by one? Fcuk no. Was it bigotted drunk talk? Yes. Whoop dee fcuking doo.
"50 pages long with people baying for his blood[?]" If he'd said such things about Poles then it wouldn't be surprising there'd be 50 pages of rhetoric on POLISHFORUMS.COM and not Israelforums.com but seeing as he said something about Jews it would be unlikely to find the 50 pages you desire on POLISHFORUMS.COM.
The most frustrating thing about reading what you idiots try to pass off as educated and nuanced opinions is that it's mostly cheerleading from one side or the other (THERE CAN ONLY BE 2 SIDES ON ANY ISSUE) with an additional dose of SFA for context i.e. perspective other than your own lives taken into account before coming to your dull and predictable conclusions.
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
But the reality of what is happening is exactly the opposite of what you claim, how can you pretend otherwise?
If squatter's rights applied then you'd be arguing those that want compensation or to reclaim property have no case. If you're referring to Israel seizure of land then you're arguing in favour of evicting as well as killing Palestinians NOW. You're completely inconsistent.
But the reality of what is happening is exactly the opposite of what you claim, how can you pretend otherwise?
If squatter's rights applied then you'd be arguing those that want compensation or to reclaim property have no case. If you're referring to Israel seizure of land then you're arguing in favour of evicting as well as killing Palestinians NOW. You're completely inconsistent.
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
Study / Shocking! Test standards in Polish schools. [165]
I'm not sure if you've understood what I've written. Are you arguing with me or agreeing?
think that many people seem to get confused by the difference between the complexity of a language, and the complexity of a language for non-native learners.
I'm not sure if you've understood what I've written. Are you arguing with me or agreeing?
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
Study / Shocking! Test standards in Polish schools. [165]
Not that it's the same but it is interesting to note that the heirarchy of species chart seems to go according to complexity of language...not the same thing as we're all the same species despite our language differences, I know, but somewhat related.
So what? What does complexity of the language has to do with the intelligence of its native speakers.
Not that it's the same but it is interesting to note that the heirarchy of species chart seems to go according to complexity of language...not the same thing as we're all the same species despite our language differences, I know, but somewhat related.
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
USA, Canada / Can you BE Polish without SPEAKING Polish in the US? [256]
Statement:
Response:
Question:
WTF?
Statement:
No. You can be Polish-ish, but not the real McCoy if Poles have to learn a foreign language in order to speak with you.
Response:
so the polish that immigrated to britian who are working and making a living there are they now considered British?
Question:
WTF?
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
Foreigner4
29 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Deeds carry more weight than pronouncements. I don't know or have an affinity for either group of people but from an unbiased perspective, Israeli policies have been slowly yet methodically eradicating the Palestinians. It is a fact whether or not you cheer-leaders admit it.
What would be interpreted as "unfriendly to Israel" - what would be just over the line and what wouldn't for the Israelis to go ahead with assassinating a foreign head of state, in this case the leader of the people who subsidize the existence of the Israeli state?
It is odd that such a scenario has even been planned for, is it not?
I don't recall ANY Israeli PM ever making such pronouncements against Palestinians or other non-Jewish Arabs.
Deeds carry more weight than pronouncements. I don't know or have an affinity for either group of people but from an unbiased perspective, Israeli policies have been slowly yet methodically eradicating the Palestinians. It is a fact whether or not you cheer-leaders admit it.
"In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu would need to “give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.”
What would be interpreted as "unfriendly to Israel" - what would be just over the line and what wouldn't for the Israelis to go ahead with assassinating a foreign head of state, in this case the leader of the people who subsidize the existence of the Israeli state?
It is odd that such a scenario has even been planned for, is it not?
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
Work / So I received an offer from a Poland language school - what's your take on this? [59]
Of course they were still fully charging and this was why I made it clear to the director that I do not stick around if any sketchy sh/t appears. But they wanted to squeeze out a couple hundred z and in the end lose the client and their presence in the area. Quiting on the spot is pretty easy even if it's written in the contract that you can't+ their contracts have almost as many holes in them as their business acumen is lacking.
I think that is the last time I will ever cooperate with a school again.
Of course they were still fully charging and this was why I made it clear to the director that I do not stick around if any sketchy sh/t appears. But they wanted to squeeze out a couple hundred z and in the end lose the client and their presence in the area. Quiting on the spot is pretty easy even if it's written in the contract that you can't+ their contracts have almost as many holes in them as their business acumen is lacking.
I think that is the last time I will ever cooperate with a school again.
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Law and logic are not synonymous.
"Sorry, I was unaware that Poland had finally passed a property restitution law, can you go into details about it?
Law and logic are not synonymous.
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
Work / So I received an offer from a Poland language school - what's your take on this? [59]
^Okay, thanks for the tip.
^Okay, thanks for the tip.
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
Work / So I received an offer from a Poland language school - what's your take on this? [59]
update:
There were 2 breaches of the verbal contract made regarding cancellations- 24 hours or full payment due.
They tried first to claim that a stipulation was written differently in the written contract.
When I pointed out NOTHING was written about it in the contract and the agreement had been verbal, they then claimed that since nothing was in the contract then it didn't matter. WTF? uh, "bye."
Within days I have filled up the empty time slot but I was ready to stick to the contract despite making less and having to drive simply because I wanted to honor the contract. I benefit from their breach of contract, however I am always amazed at how some people here seem to think that being a manager translates to: be incompetent and arrogant and deceitful hope that you don't get caught and then shirk all responsibility in the event of being caught out.
update:
There were 2 breaches of the verbal contract made regarding cancellations- 24 hours or full payment due.
They tried first to claim that a stipulation was written differently in the written contract.
When I pointed out NOTHING was written about it in the contract and the agreement had been verbal, they then claimed that since nothing was in the contract then it didn't matter. WTF? uh, "bye."
Within days I have filled up the empty time slot but I was ready to stick to the contract despite making less and having to drive simply because I wanted to honor the contract. I benefit from their breach of contract, however I am always amazed at how some people here seem to think that being a manager translates to: be incompetent and arrogant and deceitful hope that you don't get caught and then shirk all responsibility in the event of being caught out.
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?"
^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?"
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?
Besides where would you suggest present day Americans go? Back to Europe? Back to Africa? Back to Asia?
What has that got to do with those citing the disparity in logic applied to supporting the Jewish takeover of Palestine while similarly supporting "giving back" to Jews what was once taken?
And perhaps get one's own house in order before telling other people what its wrong with theirs?
Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?
Besides where would you suggest present day Americans go? Back to Europe? Back to Africa? Back to Asia?
What has that got to do with those citing the disparity in logic applied to supporting the Jewish takeover of Palestine while similarly supporting "giving back" to Jews what was once taken?
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
And?
And if one isn't fine with it, one needs to recognise that the USA is even more of an illegitimate state than Israel is.
And?
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
Foreigner4
27 Jan 2012
History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]
For what it's worth, the seizure of Palestinian land is what seems to have prompted suicide bombing in Palestine. If you cannot see how one precipitated the other then you'd best improve upon your rudimentary logic and try to rebuild that temple. Note that this is not justification.
If one is fine with the seizure of Palestinian land without reprisal then one cannot maintain that logic and argue that Jews be able to claim property that belonged to the descendants of those from whom it was taken.
For what it's worth, the seizure of Palestinian land is what seems to have prompted suicide bombing in Palestine. If you cannot see how one precipitated the other then you'd best improve upon your rudimentary logic and try to rebuild that temple. Note that this is not justification.
If one is fine with the seizure of Palestinian land without reprisal then one cannot maintain that logic and argue that Jews be able to claim property that belonged to the descendants of those from whom it was taken.