History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Yes.


Politics. The French and Brits were always opposed to a central power in Europe, especially after that nation turned into a worldwide competitor both economically and militarily. When the Germans attacked Poland their opponents saw that as the final push to reestablish the old pre-WW1 power structure, so they had to react. I believe the war was initially about preventing the Third Reich from becoming a global competitor again, and not so much about the liberation of Poland. That's why they didn't declare war on the USSR.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


That simply tells you that the war wasn't really about Poland, but about Germany. Just like in WW1, both Brits and French tried to prevent a powerful competitor from controlling Europe.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

It was a little bit more complicated than that:

https://polishforums.com/history/poland-eligible-sign-volksliste-60618/

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Not true, Adrian. Google "Intelligenzaktion" and "AB-Aktion". Roughly 60.000 Polish victims by the end of 1939.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Unfortunately that was not an option at the time, but thanks for answering, Kaprys. I'm still surprised though that the Wehrmacht seem to have a better reputation amongst Poles than the Soviet Army - judging from the posts in this thread at least.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


I know what horrible crimes the Soviets committed when they were still cooperating with the Germans, but you still need to ask yourself the question what would have happened to Poland if the Germans would've won the war. You as a Polish lady, would you have really preferred to be ruled by the Nazis instead of the Soviets as Dirt Diggler said? Honest question.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


I honestly cannot imagine that any Pole would prefer the murderous Nazis over the Soviets. Without the sacrifice of the Russians, the Germans would've won the war, and Poland and the Poles would've been wiped out. Maybe some of them would've survived as slave workers, but that's about it. The Soviets, as brutal and inhumane as they were, at least guaranteed a survival of Poland and the Polish people after the war. How and under what circumstances is another question, but without them 1989 would've looked completely different.


I know... :)

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Looks like one of the refugees from the Middle East.


Would you have preferred that the Germans stayed and finished the job? Because that would've been the alternative.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


You can call me any name you want, my friend, but you won't change facts.

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]


Stalin made a pact with Hitler. Not a Russian private who was drafted into the Soviet army.


Yes, they behaved like animals - just like all the other participants in WW2. That doesn't change the fact though that it were the Russians who defeated the Germans. Without their sacrifice, the allies in the west would have never set a foot on mainland Europe and most likely, there wouldn't be a single Pole left on the continent today.


Here, learn something: quora/How-was-a-person-from-USSR-called-A-Soviet

History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

What about the roughly 12 million Russian soldiers who gave their lives so that the allied forces were able to set a foot on Omaha Beach?

News / Jesus Christ is Now Officially the King of Poland [164]


Of course, because she's playing the old "Divide and Conquer" game - trying to save the Brits' sorry ass after BREXIT.

USA, Canada / Polish-Jewish survivor of the Holocaust celebrates her 100th birthday [29]


Wonder how the Trump administration will try to enforce this.

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]

Aaaaaah, now I get it! When I agree with Ironside that a sign saying "No Polish or Eastern Bloc fishermen allowed" is xenophobic, prejudiced and stupid, that makes me automatically xenophobic, prejudiced and stupid in your eyes. Interesting concept. Are you blonde or drunk?

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]


Come again?

UK, Ireland / No Poles Allowed! - Latest Polonophobic Outrage Out of Britain [660]


True that.

News / EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms [554]


And why do they do that? Because Poland is an EU member and has access to the common market. The domestic market in Poland isn't strong enough to support foreign investments at the current scale.

Genealogy / Slavs are descendants of Sarmatians? [600]


Here, learn something: quora/Is-it-true-that-the-first-concentration-camps-were-a-British-invention-during-the-Boer-War

The Spanish were the first, the Americans the second and the Brits the third who set up concentration camps.

Love / My wife cheated on me abroad with a Polish guy [35]

Palmela Anderson... :)

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


I'm not playing your silly game, Wulkan. It happened in Warsaw, and it looks as if it happened before:
inside-poland/t/police-in-poland-investigate-islamic-holocaust-banner-over-poznan-road


Just to help your fading memory: your fellow "American patriots" used to call Poles and Irish white n's, remember? The same people who scream MAGA these days...

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

How could I forget? You guys only read Breitfart. LOL!

The news are all over the web. Just google.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


Have you read the news or are the blinds still down?

newsweek.com/poland-nationalist-rally-neo-nazi-slogans-calls-islamic-holocaust-draws-708984

washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/11/12/pray-for-an-islamic-holocaust-tens-of-thousands-from-europes-far-right-march-in-poland/?utm_term=.12033d71976e

cnn.com/2017/11/12/europe/poland-warsaw-nationalist-march/index.html

... and a ton of other sources if you don't like the above.


Taken out of context. Nice try, though.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

@SigSauer

How naive are you? The people who prayed for an "Islamic Holocaust" in Warsaw yesterday are the same that are demanding to kick all Poles out of the U.K. ... are the same that hate all Hispanics and want to build a wall ... are the same that call blacks the N word ... are the same that refer to Aboriginals in Australia as "coons' ... are ultimately the same that killed the Jews in the death camps.


... long before you daddy was able to spell the word sex. So please spare me your childish "if you don't like it, leave" BS.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


I agree, but then ... every group of new arrivals was the target of hatred and xenophobia. The Irish, the Italians, the Polish, the Germans, the Japanese ... and now it's the Hispanics. Not even talking about how the blacks were treated in this country until the 1960's (and beyond). It's the fear of the unknown and new that drives this behavior, and the politicians take advantage of this human trait, as Kondzior correctly called it. In one hand they hold the Bible and talk about sin, with the other hand they grab the P of some underage girl while cheating and lying and waiting for their third divorce to go through. Exactly these hypocrites - copies of the crazies of pre-WW2 times - are on the rise everywhere and people are yet again following the Pied Piper. Just look at what happened in Warsaw today, or read the comment section of the Daily Fail and how the posters there blame the Poles for "taking away the jobs of good British people".

I am generally against an uncontrolled influx of people from Third World countries into Europe, I've said that on various occasions already, but that doesn't mean that I am okay with the resurrection of a nightmare that was buried in 1945.


Do you really believe you're a "real" American just because you are second generation? Ha ha ha. Ask the nutters in the South what they think about a catholic Polack (see above)...

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]

Multiculturalism is not only about race or religion as you guys always imply. Each nation has a different culture - sometimes a lot different to others, sometimes not so much. What's wrong with that? Do you want to isolate each and every country from each other like in the good old feudalism days? Being constantly at war because they hate their neighbors' guts? That's what you want? Because that's what you will get once Bannon, Trump, Putin and all the other ultra right wingers have had their way with you.


The moment you'll manage to stay on topic yourself (doubtful), you are entitled to lecture others. Until then ... eff off.

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [564]


So you're saying the 250 year old American experiment has failed? Got any alternatives?


You mean like in Virginia and New Jersey? LOL!

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Dunno. Maybe asking the other EU members for help patrolling their waters? In the end it doesn't matter because it would've been Turkey's international obligation to take care of the refugees and prevent migrants from other countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan to cross its border in the first place. Instead, Erdogan decided to wave them through. I believe there's a strategic decision behind all this.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


I know, and that would've been Turkey. Since Greece did not control its external border properly, the refugees/ migrants flooded in. Which I'm sure happened with the help and knowledge of Erdogan. So now that they are in Greece (and Italy), what would you do? Remember, you are not talking about a few thousand people, but about a very large number which you cannot simply put in camps and then deport.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Greece and Italy were completely overrun by refugees and migrants when Merkel decided to act. Do you really believe Poland would have helped the Greeks and Italians out or would have a different position now if Merkel had decided to let them rot instead? Yeah, don't think so. Merkel is simply a convenient scapegoat.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


You are right. I checked it - the restrictions seem to be all in regards to nuclear weapons. I could've sworn that I've recently read somewhere about the German navy not being allowed to build nuclear powered subs, but I probably misunderstood. My bad.