Crow
16 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
you think so?
speak more. Convince me
germany isn't a threat to you,
you think so?
speak more. Convince me
Crow
16 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
day would come, Germany would be pushed back and that would be end of Greater Croatia
Catholic and Orthodox Serbs would found each others, again.
day would come, Germany would be pushed back and that would be end of Greater Croatia
Catholic and Orthodox Serbs would found each others, again.
Crow
15 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
Russians never we pigs, as we can say for Germans. Russians were idiots sometimes, as we can say for all Slavs.
Russians never we pigs, as we can say for Germans. Russians were idiots sometimes, as we can say for all Slavs.
Crow
12 Dec 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
Don`t give THEM nothing Poles. Not only to them but to nobody
If you give a little THEY would take all. Look how Serbs were rewarded. Cooperation yes but on safe distance. Hold THEM all on safe distance
Save Poland so that at least somebody of us survive! Save Poland for your children Poles!
Slava!
Don`t give THEM nothing Poles. Not only to them but to nobody
If you give a little THEY would take all. Look how Serbs were rewarded. Cooperation yes but on safe distance. Hold THEM all on safe distance
Save Poland so that at least somebody of us survive! Save Poland for your children Poles!
Slava!
Crow
5 Dec 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
There are things that aren`t OK in Polish-Russian relations but, I can`t say that ordinary Poles and ordinary Russians hate each others.
Anyway, let`s say that there is hate. Why would we say that- somebody would ask? Look,... what would Polish and Russian foes without that hate. It`s THEIR only hope. And, so hate exist to satisfy needs of those who think that Slavs hold too much resources and that Slavs are still too numerous. Hate also serve well to corrupt politicians on all sides.
Poles hate Russians
There are things that aren`t OK in Polish-Russian relations but, I can`t say that ordinary Poles and ordinary Russians hate each others.
Anyway, let`s say that there is hate. Why would we say that- somebody would ask? Look,... what would Polish and Russian foes without that hate. It`s THEIR only hope. And, so hate exist to satisfy needs of those who think that Slavs hold too much resources and that Slavs are still too numerous. Hate also serve well to corrupt politicians on all sides.
Crow
17 Nov 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
i think to myself
Its not problem that Jews return, as long as my Polish brothers and sisters know in what dirrection they- Poles want to direct Poland
i think to myself
Its not problem that Jews return, as long as my Polish brothers and sisters know in what dirrection they- Poles want to direct Poland
Crow
16 Nov 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
maybe, just maybe, we can do bussines togather, after all
... while Hungary as a state is just a German (well, not only German) lap dog in the region. too bad
Let us hope that Hungarian politicians won`t try to harm Slovakian and Serbian children. Let us hope that Hungarian inteligentsia can prevent hostility on local Slavs.
hunfriend
maybe, just maybe, we can do bussines togather, after all
... while Hungary as a state is just a German (well, not only German) lap dog in the region. too bad
Let us hope that Hungarian politicians won`t try to harm Slovakian and Serbian children. Let us hope that Hungarian inteligentsia can prevent hostility on local Slavs.
Crow
16 Nov 2007
News / 10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND! [628]
interesting trend
Many Poles leaving Poland for different reasons and as we can see, some people want to re-populate Poland.
interesting trend
Many Poles leaving Poland for different reasons and as we can see, some people want to re-populate Poland.
Crow
27 Oct 2007
News / What's the stupidest question asked about Poland? [414]
Wait, if there is something in connection between noses and `zmija`, Poles could easely `pick`those who picking them.
BDW, do you know for Latin proverb: `Bonus penis, pax in domus`? [think that translation isn`t necesery].
Now, gues how come to this proverb? It was collected and translated on Latin during antic Roman expeditions (in pagan times) close to Odra River (today`s Poland).
Wait, if there is something in connection between noses and `zmija`, Poles could easely `pick`those who picking them.
BDW, do you know for Latin proverb: `Bonus penis, pax in domus`? [think that translation isn`t necesery].
Now, gues how come to this proverb? It was collected and translated on Latin during antic Roman expeditions (in pagan times) close to Odra River (today`s Poland).
Crow
26 Oct 2007
News / What's the stupidest question asked about Poland? [414]
Honestly, this...
Do Polish people have big noses?
Honestly, this...
Do Polish people have big noses?
Crow
28 Sep 2007
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]
You would find them under different names, much deeper in past then you can imagine
You would find them under different names, much deeper in past then you can imagine
Crow
27 Sep 2007
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]
To be precise, I was point on antic Rome, from time when Roman legions appeared on horizon of European (and not only European) natives
To be precise, I was point on antic Rome, from time when Roman legions appeared on horizon of European (and not only European) natives
Crow
27 Sep 2007
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]
My brothers, it always especialy hurts when bother harm/beat brother... from the micro level (from angle of one single family) to the macro level (when we speak about kin people/nations).
What does it matter who is Catholic, who is Protestant or Orthodox, etc. It is even good to us that we can expirience different religious approach thru expiriance of our kin nations.
Togather we can do so much, divided we are easy target
Tell us more please, about Russian expiriances with Romans. What remembered old chronicles?
My brothers, it always especialy hurts when bother harm/beat brother... from the micro level (from angle of one single family) to the macro level (when we speak about kin people/nations).
What does it matter who is Catholic, who is Protestant or Orthodox, etc. It is even good to us that we can expirience different religious approach thru expiriance of our kin nations.
Togather we can do so much, divided we are easy target
But Roman empire, for example, was not so invincible, as it is described in textbooks.
Tell us more please, about Russian expiriances with Romans. What remembered old chronicles?
Crow
27 Sep 2007
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]
Great battle for freedom
... and yes, it was nice smash
Good work Poles
Great battle for freedom
... and yes, it was nice smash
Good work Poles
Crow
14 Aug 2007
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
Key question hire is- How to reverse process of germanization? I mean, how attract former Poles (let`s say Slavs in general) that they escape from imposed German identity and/or how to motivate Poles (Slavs) that they avoid current/future attempts of their germanization.
I think, batter standard of living in Slavic countries, then that in so called Western countries could help, among else.
Key question hire is- How to reverse process of germanization? I mean, how attract former Poles (let`s say Slavs in general) that they escape from imposed German identity and/or how to motivate Poles (Slavs) that they avoid current/future attempts of their germanization.
I think, batter standard of living in Slavic countries, then that in so called Western countries could help, among else.
Crow
10 Jun 2007
Crow
9 Jun 2007
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
I don`t know but, I could try.
I don`t know but, I could try.
Crow
9 Jun 2007
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
You mean hire?
Against assimilation of Slavs in Germany
petitiononline.com/Slavija/petition.html
There are some indications that Germany is covertly trying to Germanize Poland and the Polish people.
There are laws as pertained to Aussiedler that mean that "any Pole who can prove that some of his/her ancestors were German can receive some privileges from the German state- (ius sanguinis that they are 'of German blood')". Such a law discriminates and reeks of forced assimilation through breaking of primary human right of self-determination. It encourages Germanization through financial incentives.
So, we decided to raise our voice against such policies and we form this petition to demand the German State repeal this and similar laws. We demand that German State stops its aggressive policy against Poles and all other Slavs.
We need a minimum of 1.000.000 signatures in order to send this petition to some institutions such as Slavic state governments, Council of EU, USA government and to members of Security Council of United Nations, Vatican, Orthodox Churches, Protestant churches, UNICEF and also Amnesty International.
If you believe that Germany should reconsider and ultimately withdraw such laws, please sign this petition. We count on you.
You mean hire?
Against assimilation of Slavs in Germany
petitiononline.com/Slavija/petition.html
There are some indications that Germany is covertly trying to Germanize Poland and the Polish people.
There are laws as pertained to Aussiedler that mean that "any Pole who can prove that some of his/her ancestors were German can receive some privileges from the German state- (ius sanguinis that they are 'of German blood')". Such a law discriminates and reeks of forced assimilation through breaking of primary human right of self-determination. It encourages Germanization through financial incentives.
So, we decided to raise our voice against such policies and we form this petition to demand the German State repeal this and similar laws. We demand that German State stops its aggressive policy against Poles and all other Slavs.
We need a minimum of 1.000.000 signatures in order to send this petition to some institutions such as Slavic state governments, Council of EU, USA government and to members of Security Council of United Nations, Vatican, Orthodox Churches, Protestant churches, UNICEF and also Amnesty International.
If you believe that Germany should reconsider and ultimately withdraw such laws, please sign this petition. We count on you.
Crow
9 Jun 2007
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
It seams that when you are Polish and marry a German it's quite sure in the case of a divorce or a marriage dispute, that your child will be then taken away from you. I hope, that those Polish and maybe other parents will succeed in sueing the germans at the european court for human rights for such rassistic methods. I think the problem is quite old, and maybe earlier many people just accepted it, but now more and more people are protesting against such a criminal treatment. The germans have learned to present them to the world as wonderful tolerant and multi-cultural (almost like in a fairy tale), but if you look more precise at them, you can recognize, that they still see themselfes as superior.
It seams that when you are Polish and marry a German it's quite sure in the case of a divorce or a marriage dispute, that your child will be then taken away from you. I hope, that those Polish and maybe other parents will succeed in sueing the germans at the european court for human rights for such rassistic methods. I think the problem is quite old, and maybe earlier many people just accepted it, but now more and more people are protesting against such a criminal treatment. The germans have learned to present them to the world as wonderful tolerant and multi-cultural (almost like in a fairy tale), but if you look more precise at them, you can recognize, that they still see themselfes as superior.
Crow
8 Jun 2007
News / Polish & other children legally stolen from their parents in Germany [82]
How is this possible in modern time? Somebody can tell me?
Tragic stories of Iwona, Lidia, Beata, Wojcech and Miroslaw- polish parents in Germany...
"Violation of human rights in germany"/ Polish parents fighting for their children : Germans stealing children from Polish parents or forbidding them to talk to them in a Polish language.
German JUGENDAMT has forbidden to talk polish to their children "Children legally stolen by the german jugendamt"
Modern German Jugendamt, successor of old German Lebensborn
video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4965890110400015742&q=jugendamt
8. First results of EU-Petitions against the exclusion policies of German Jugendmter (Report on EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 Jan., 2007)
Petitions of foreign parents of binational children in Germany who were excluded from their children by the Jugendamt (German Youth Welfare Offices) are having first results
Report on the EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 January, 2007
On January, 30th 2007 there was a meeting of the committee on petitions of the European parliament.
About 9:30/10 h point 14 of the agenda was treated: Petitions of the fathers and mothers Jochimsen, Kraszewski, Pokrzeptowicz-Meyer, Pomorski against German youth welfare offices because of human rights violations of the family life after separation/divorce of parents.
Since these parents do not see the possibility to reach the application of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice for human rights (compare ECHR judgements in cases Gцrgьlь and family Haase), which is blocked by youth welfare offices, these parents have appealed to the European parliament to request of the German Federal Government to dissolve youth welfare offices as anti-European, anti-democratic organizations with nazistic background.
A declaration of the German Federal Ministry for family was rejected as insufficient by the committee during the meeting also for the reason that none of the youth welfare offices is subordinated to the German Ministry of family.
NOTE:
All youth welfare office-damaged parents, grandparents and children in Germany may send their own individual petitions about dissolution of the German youth welfare offices as fast as possible, since at present a guarantee of priority in dealing with them exists.
In it could be written on not much more than one sheet of paper at least approximately:
PETITION
Youth welfare offices are to be abolished, because they have no legal or specialized supervision, are not instruction bound, put themselves over the human rights jurisdiction and conventions, and they are only influended by local youth welfare office politicians.
Free procedure, short description of a case or copies not necessarily.
To send directly to European delegation, Mr. Marcin Libicki, Secretary-General committee on petitions of the European parliament, Rue Wiertz, B-1047 Bruxelles or by fax at 00 32 - 22 84 68 44 Possibly send a copy to your delegate and to the press for information.
TO USE AND PROLIFERATION FOR ALL CONTACTS AND FORUMS !
deutsche-jugendamt.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
How is this possible in modern time? Somebody can tell me?
Tragic stories of Iwona, Lidia, Beata, Wojcech and Miroslaw- polish parents in Germany...
"Violation of human rights in germany"/ Polish parents fighting for their children : Germans stealing children from Polish parents or forbidding them to talk to them in a Polish language.
German JUGENDAMT has forbidden to talk polish to their children "Children legally stolen by the german jugendamt"
Modern German Jugendamt, successor of old German Lebensborn
video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4965890110400015742&q=jugendamt
8. First results of EU-Petitions against the exclusion policies of German Jugendmter (Report on EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 Jan., 2007)
Petitions of foreign parents of binational children in Germany who were excluded from their children by the Jugendamt (German Youth Welfare Offices) are having first results
Report on the EU-Committee on Petitions Meeting of 30 January, 2007
On January, 30th 2007 there was a meeting of the committee on petitions of the European parliament.
About 9:30/10 h point 14 of the agenda was treated: Petitions of the fathers and mothers Jochimsen, Kraszewski, Pokrzeptowicz-Meyer, Pomorski against German youth welfare offices because of human rights violations of the family life after separation/divorce of parents.
Since these parents do not see the possibility to reach the application of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice for human rights (compare ECHR judgements in cases Gцrgьlь and family Haase), which is blocked by youth welfare offices, these parents have appealed to the European parliament to request of the German Federal Government to dissolve youth welfare offices as anti-European, anti-democratic organizations with nazistic background.
A declaration of the German Federal Ministry for family was rejected as insufficient by the committee during the meeting also for the reason that none of the youth welfare offices is subordinated to the German Ministry of family.
NOTE:
All youth welfare office-damaged parents, grandparents and children in Germany may send their own individual petitions about dissolution of the German youth welfare offices as fast as possible, since at present a guarantee of priority in dealing with them exists.
In it could be written on not much more than one sheet of paper at least approximately:
PETITION
Youth welfare offices are to be abolished, because they have no legal or specialized supervision, are not instruction bound, put themselves over the human rights jurisdiction and conventions, and they are only influended by local youth welfare office politicians.
Free procedure, short description of a case or copies not necessarily.
To send directly to European delegation, Mr. Marcin Libicki, Secretary-General committee on petitions of the European parliament, Rue Wiertz, B-1047 Bruxelles or by fax at 00 32 - 22 84 68 44 Possibly send a copy to your delegate and to the press for information.
TO USE AND PROLIFERATION FOR ALL CONTACTS AND FORUMS !
deutsche-jugendamt.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html
Crow
11 Apr 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
It is interesting question- What is resonable for Polish governmant?
I can understand historic resons that Poles are `a little` suspicious on Russians but, on the other side, Poles has even more then enough reasons to be suspicious on Germans (for example). As, I know from history, Polish territories were cut on the first place from the Western side under pressure of cruel Germanization. Under different historic circumstances, old Slavic Pomerans, Kashubs, both Lusatias, even Prusia (etc, etc) would be essential part of Poland today.
Same way how part of Russian elite made mistake and colababorated with Germans, Polish elite made mistake when decided to confront Russians on Baltic (Letonia, Estonia, Litvania- in that time Slavic territories). Polish elite needed to made deal with Russian elite and alloved acess to Baltic to Russia (thay neede that) and in the same time Poland should concentrate on her Western borders which were under pressure of non-Slavs.
Practicly, German nation and state exist only because of tragic mistake of Polish elite and Polish people paid that greatly (same as whole Slavic world).
So, if analize history we can come to interesting conclusions.
It is fact that Slavs if united hold enormous resources more then enough to secure existance, continuity and prosperity of Slavic civilization.
Western Europe is more advanced (for now)- it is fact but, if you analize reasons for that you will come to conclusion that THEY did everything what was possible to prevent that Slavs prosper, that Slavic countries stay rural part of Europe.
Take in conideration that Slavs were often on the first line when non-Europeans atacked Europe and that in return `Western` Europe didn`t support us but THEY colaborted with invaders and profit from Slavic disaster.
Then, take in consideration that old Slavic states were destroyed by Semitic Romans (later Teutons, too) and Greaks. Slavs were object of slavery all over `Western` Europe, on Near East, in Anatolia, in Africa (slave trade).
Slavs would be resonable if they united in great Slavic Unity- SLAVIA and prosper. All other are dangerous experiments.
Can you imagine that Russia stop to exist and that territors of Russia are split between USA, China and Germany? Would you like to see that?
I think that all Slavic people would suffer because of that and Slavs would be asmilated faster without Russia, or without Poland. Without Poland Slavic West would simply collapse. That is destine of Slavic South without Serbia.
On the other side, we don`t neede some selfih Russian Empire. What Russians and all Slavs need is democratic and economicaly strong Russia with good standard of living.
If Russians show that they aren`t capable to evolve in positive dirrection then never mind but, before we give up from them we should wait and give them some time, even help them, not support non-Slavs to encircle and isolate Russia.
Poles, be aware that Russian role on Balkan was positive, different then Russian role in central Europe (with Poland). Without Russian support nor Orthodox, nor Catholic, nor Protestant Slavs in South Eastern Europe (Balkan) wouldn`t exis today. All of us will be assimilated and transformed into Germans or Turks.
In his time great Polish King Jan Sobeski also supported Balkan Slavs and we Serbs won`t forget that. Part of our being will always live to repay that debt to children of Poland.
Poles, what would I tell you. Go, be independent, live, you deserve best but I would only call you not to destroy bridges behind you. That, so that you can reatret among your brothers one day when all masks fall down and when beast show her true intentions.
We will be ready to repay our debt. Nobady would humiliate Poland enymore, especialy not brotherly Russia. Too long Serbia was apsend from inter-Slavic relations because of Ottoman occupation and communism and, balance among Slavs was destroyed. We will change some things now.
Long live Poland! Glory to Slavdom!
It is interesting question- What is resonable for Polish governmant?
I can understand historic resons that Poles are `a little` suspicious on Russians but, on the other side, Poles has even more then enough reasons to be suspicious on Germans (for example). As, I know from history, Polish territories were cut on the first place from the Western side under pressure of cruel Germanization. Under different historic circumstances, old Slavic Pomerans, Kashubs, both Lusatias, even Prusia (etc, etc) would be essential part of Poland today.
Same way how part of Russian elite made mistake and colababorated with Germans, Polish elite made mistake when decided to confront Russians on Baltic (Letonia, Estonia, Litvania- in that time Slavic territories). Polish elite needed to made deal with Russian elite and alloved acess to Baltic to Russia (thay neede that) and in the same time Poland should concentrate on her Western borders which were under pressure of non-Slavs.
Practicly, German nation and state exist only because of tragic mistake of Polish elite and Polish people paid that greatly (same as whole Slavic world).
So, if analize history we can come to interesting conclusions.
It is fact that Slavs if united hold enormous resources more then enough to secure existance, continuity and prosperity of Slavic civilization.
Western Europe is more advanced (for now)- it is fact but, if you analize reasons for that you will come to conclusion that THEY did everything what was possible to prevent that Slavs prosper, that Slavic countries stay rural part of Europe.
Take in conideration that Slavs were often on the first line when non-Europeans atacked Europe and that in return `Western` Europe didn`t support us but THEY colaborted with invaders and profit from Slavic disaster.
Then, take in consideration that old Slavic states were destroyed by Semitic Romans (later Teutons, too) and Greaks. Slavs were object of slavery all over `Western` Europe, on Near East, in Anatolia, in Africa (slave trade).
Slavs would be resonable if they united in great Slavic Unity- SLAVIA and prosper. All other are dangerous experiments.
Can you imagine that Russia stop to exist and that territors of Russia are split between USA, China and Germany? Would you like to see that?
I think that all Slavic people would suffer because of that and Slavs would be asmilated faster without Russia, or without Poland. Without Poland Slavic West would simply collapse. That is destine of Slavic South without Serbia.
On the other side, we don`t neede some selfih Russian Empire. What Russians and all Slavs need is democratic and economicaly strong Russia with good standard of living.
If Russians show that they aren`t capable to evolve in positive dirrection then never mind but, before we give up from them we should wait and give them some time, even help them, not support non-Slavs to encircle and isolate Russia.
Poles, be aware that Russian role on Balkan was positive, different then Russian role in central Europe (with Poland). Without Russian support nor Orthodox, nor Catholic, nor Protestant Slavs in South Eastern Europe (Balkan) wouldn`t exis today. All of us will be assimilated and transformed into Germans or Turks.
In his time great Polish King Jan Sobeski also supported Balkan Slavs and we Serbs won`t forget that. Part of our being will always live to repay that debt to children of Poland.
Poles, what would I tell you. Go, be independent, live, you deserve best but I would only call you not to destroy bridges behind you. That, so that you can reatret among your brothers one day when all masks fall down and when beast show her true intentions.
We will be ready to repay our debt. Nobady would humiliate Poland enymore, especialy not brotherly Russia. Too long Serbia was apsend from inter-Slavic relations because of Ottoman occupation and communism and, balance among Slavs was destroyed. We will change some things now.
Long live Poland! Glory to Slavdom!
Crow
6 Apr 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
Brate Witek zasto pominjes `kurac`(if that word mean same on Polish/Serbian)?
You must be aware that there are ladies on this forum, too. :)
So, please.
:)
Witek, Witek...
Witek,
You think that I belong to people who believe in theory of so called `Great migration` and that on the base of that theory I claim that Vistula wasn`t populated by Slavs (perticulary Poles) in time BC? Same theory stand on position that Balkan was populated by Slavs at arround 6 AD.
Well, that is German theory and was created by German schoolars to support expansionistic intentions of German elite. In short- to support reasons for `Drang nach Osten.`
Modern science (on the base of old data and new foundings) and authors (of Slavic and non-Slavic origin) abondened that theory already. And, not because we Slavs want different history but becuse of sake of scientific truth.
Science can`t eveolve and progress if based on false data/history. We must operate with true facts if we want to understand social (and other) mechanismm of human development.
So, I will tell you Witek- Yes, Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles very, very early (in that time all Slavs used some form of Sarmatian name for their designation). In fact, our ancestors were practicly first humans who populated that area (and many other areas) after Ice Age has been finished.
But, Witek- think (later I would present you many valuble sources but, for now just use logic), how those Slavs on Vistula come in Vistula region?
By river of course > In old days people strongly dependent on water from rivers and they could spread on distant places only if fallow great rivers.
Now, little from climatology. Balkan was first region in Europe free from ice after glacial period (Ice Age). Genetic science (Human Genome Project), using old data about Balkan population and latest archeological foundings started to investigte genetics of Balkans. You know what they found (we speak about international project, don`t forget)?
They found (you`ll get links) that modern Slavs of Balkan represent direct descendents of old/antic Balkan popultion and, they even confirmed that genetic markers suggest that Balkan Slavic population inhabite Balkan at least 25.000 years. Archeology already know that old Balkan cultures dates from paleolithic and neolit (we speak about even 50.000 years BC).
Secund region free from ice (and important for all Slavs) was somwhere in the border region between Ukraine and Russia.
Genetics confirmed that these two populations were in contact, let`s say `from the beggining of time`. Those populations were in contact even before they settled on Balkan/in Russia/Ukraine, in time before they moved into Europe following changings in climete. Their start location was somwhere on the Near East to the region- in past known as Persia (modern day Iran).
And so, after arrival in Europe, following coast of Black See those two populations continue to cooperate, inter-mix and Slavic (Proto Slavic) genetic stock was extracted (maybe even existed before Proto Slavs came to Europe- that we can`t be sure).
Now. Key European River is Danube and smaller rivers which gravitates to Danube, represent good connection between Danube and Adriatic coast (remember comment from Catholic Enciclopedya), then we have good connection between Danube and Central Europe, Danube and Eastern Europe, Danube and Southern Europe, Black See, Northern Europe- Baltik, etc, etc.
There is no debt. Danube was/is key Slavic river. Thanks to fact that we were first on Danube and that our ancestors developed agriclture- we spread on such wide geograpical territory.
So, you see Witek. Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles in time much, much before BC and much before Germans even exist (as I said they appeard on historic scene after penetration of Semitics into Europe).
But, European chapter of Slavic history started from Balkan after Ice Age. People can`t fly as birds and before Vistula they needed to follow Danube- our old Ister (old name of Danube- also Slavic word).
crow, kak o si kurac
Brate Witek zasto pominjes `kurac`(if that word mean same on Polish/Serbian)?
You must be aware that there are ladies on this forum, too. :)
So, please.
:)
Witek, Witek...
please Serbian friend don't spread garbage hypothesis.
Witek,
You think that I belong to people who believe in theory of so called `Great migration` and that on the base of that theory I claim that Vistula wasn`t populated by Slavs (perticulary Poles) in time BC? Same theory stand on position that Balkan was populated by Slavs at arround 6 AD.
Well, that is German theory and was created by German schoolars to support expansionistic intentions of German elite. In short- to support reasons for `Drang nach Osten.`
Modern science (on the base of old data and new foundings) and authors (of Slavic and non-Slavic origin) abondened that theory already. And, not because we Slavs want different history but becuse of sake of scientific truth.
Science can`t eveolve and progress if based on false data/history. We must operate with true facts if we want to understand social (and other) mechanismm of human development.
So, I will tell you Witek- Yes, Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles very, very early (in that time all Slavs used some form of Sarmatian name for their designation). In fact, our ancestors were practicly first humans who populated that area (and many other areas) after Ice Age has been finished.
But, Witek- think (later I would present you many valuble sources but, for now just use logic), how those Slavs on Vistula come in Vistula region?
By river of course > In old days people strongly dependent on water from rivers and they could spread on distant places only if fallow great rivers.
Now, little from climatology. Balkan was first region in Europe free from ice after glacial period (Ice Age). Genetic science (Human Genome Project), using old data about Balkan population and latest archeological foundings started to investigte genetics of Balkans. You know what they found (we speak about international project, don`t forget)?
They found (you`ll get links) that modern Slavs of Balkan represent direct descendents of old/antic Balkan popultion and, they even confirmed that genetic markers suggest that Balkan Slavic population inhabite Balkan at least 25.000 years. Archeology already know that old Balkan cultures dates from paleolithic and neolit (we speak about even 50.000 years BC).
Secund region free from ice (and important for all Slavs) was somwhere in the border region between Ukraine and Russia.
Genetics confirmed that these two populations were in contact, let`s say `from the beggining of time`. Those populations were in contact even before they settled on Balkan/in Russia/Ukraine, in time before they moved into Europe following changings in climete. Their start location was somwhere on the Near East to the region- in past known as Persia (modern day Iran).
And so, after arrival in Europe, following coast of Black See those two populations continue to cooperate, inter-mix and Slavic (Proto Slavic) genetic stock was extracted (maybe even existed before Proto Slavs came to Europe- that we can`t be sure).
Now. Key European River is Danube and smaller rivers which gravitates to Danube, represent good connection between Danube and Adriatic coast (remember comment from Catholic Enciclopedya), then we have good connection between Danube and Central Europe, Danube and Eastern Europe, Danube and Southern Europe, Black See, Northern Europe- Baltik, etc, etc.
There is no debt. Danube was/is key Slavic river. Thanks to fact that we were first on Danube and that our ancestors developed agriclture- we spread on such wide geograpical territory.
So, you see Witek. Vistula was populated with Slavs/Poles in time much, much before BC and much before Germans even exist (as I said they appeard on historic scene after penetration of Semitics into Europe).
But, European chapter of Slavic history started from Balkan after Ice Age. People can`t fly as birds and before Vistula they needed to follow Danube- our old Ister (old name of Danube- also Slavic word).
Crow
4 Apr 2007
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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
The Slavs
catholicity.com/encyclopedia/s/slavs.html
A. Slavs
Hire you would find good quotation in case with Slavic past. It is said that Catholic encyclopedia support theory that original home of the Slavs is along the Danube and on the Adriatic coast. Same position has Slavic autochtonistic school. First, famous Czech slavist- Pavel Josef Safaric supported that theory.
It was in deep past, before Germans because of Semitic penetration into Europe were exracted from Slavs, as unique ethos (Teutons). With time, they assimilated more and more Slavs- original native European population. Then, they (and many others) spraed and start to stealing Slavic history in the same time. But, they abondened our heritage and accepted newcoming Semitic ideological constructions.
That belong to untold European history.
In case with Vistula. Yes. Vistula was important but, latter in time of Sarmatia Europae. In that time Poland was core of Slavic world. In that time all Slavs used some form of Sarmatian name for their designation and Slavic name appeared in history latter.
Region between Russia and Ukraine was center of Sarmatia Asiatica. Great Moravia represented last attempt of Slavs to consolidate their lost power and to cut slave trade and humiliation/destruction of Slavs but, attacks from Romans and latter Teutons and Huns destroyed last united Slavic state and separated Slavs on Western, Eastern and Southern branches.
Slavs originates from Balkan (from Danube and from Adriatic) as even genetic findings confirmed.
Once, today`s Serbian lands (and Bulgaria, Dalmatia, North Italy) were core of Slavdom and that`s why form of Sarmatian (Serbs) name live even today among Balkan, Molise and Lusatian Serbs. Among Czechs name was preserved as Celtic (Proto Slavs) Boii tribe. In Poland and Czeska, Serbian name is well known, in Hungary is connected with word SAMORODNI. In Ukraine and Russia was preserved as Serboi, Sibiria. Croat name went thru Greak and Latin transcription and in fact represent remain of Sarmatian name.
That`s why we Serbs- last berers of Sarmatian name, dream only about Slavia.
Balkan was first and original core of Slavdom and with that- spring of White Garden.
The first Slavic settlements were along the Vistula River
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
The Slavs
catholicity.com/encyclopedia/s/slavs.html
A. Slavs
Hire you would find good quotation in case with Slavic past. It is said that Catholic encyclopedia support theory that original home of the Slavs is along the Danube and on the Adriatic coast. Same position has Slavic autochtonistic school. First, famous Czech slavist- Pavel Josef Safaric supported that theory.
It was in deep past, before Germans because of Semitic penetration into Europe were exracted from Slavs, as unique ethos (Teutons). With time, they assimilated more and more Slavs- original native European population. Then, they (and many others) spraed and start to stealing Slavic history in the same time. But, they abondened our heritage and accepted newcoming Semitic ideological constructions.
That belong to untold European history.
In case with Vistula. Yes. Vistula was important but, latter in time of Sarmatia Europae. In that time Poland was core of Slavic world. In that time all Slavs used some form of Sarmatian name for their designation and Slavic name appeared in history latter.
Region between Russia and Ukraine was center of Sarmatia Asiatica. Great Moravia represented last attempt of Slavs to consolidate their lost power and to cut slave trade and humiliation/destruction of Slavs but, attacks from Romans and latter Teutons and Huns destroyed last united Slavic state and separated Slavs on Western, Eastern and Southern branches.
Slavs originates from Balkan (from Danube and from Adriatic) as even genetic findings confirmed.
Once, today`s Serbian lands (and Bulgaria, Dalmatia, North Italy) were core of Slavdom and that`s why form of Sarmatian (Serbs) name live even today among Balkan, Molise and Lusatian Serbs. Among Czechs name was preserved as Celtic (Proto Slavs) Boii tribe. In Poland and Czeska, Serbian name is well known, in Hungary is connected with word SAMORODNI. In Ukraine and Russia was preserved as Serboi, Sibiria. Croat name went thru Greak and Latin transcription and in fact represent remain of Sarmatian name.
That`s why we Serbs- last berers of Sarmatian name, dream only about Slavia.
Balkan was first and original core of Slavdom and with that- spring of White Garden.
Crow
14 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
Interesting
It means that Slivovica exist among Western, Eastern (Grzegorz mentioned Slovakian Sliv.) and Southern Slavs. So, plum Brandy represent universal Slavic drink. Maybe that was famous old potion of vitality and strenght, mantioned in old Slavic chronicles. :)
If I call some of my friends to taste some good Slivovica, I say (on Serbian sleng)- Ajmo (Idemo) na šljivku! [Let`s go to shlivka!]
:)
Poland has Sliwowica too!
Interesting
It means that Slivovica exist among Western, Eastern (Grzegorz mentioned Slovakian Sliv.) and Southern Slavs. So, plum Brandy represent universal Slavic drink. Maybe that was famous old potion of vitality and strenght, mantioned in old Slavic chronicles. :)
If I call some of my friends to taste some good Slivovica, I say (on Serbian sleng)- Ajmo (Idemo) na šljivku! [Let`s go to shlivka!]
:)
Crow
13 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
Forget about Spirytus. That`s not art of good drinking. :)
You guys need to taste Serbian SHLIVOVICA (on Serbian- Šljivovica).
Then we can talk seriously.
I would just say that Tequila, Wisky or Vodka looks like a good joke when compare with Slivovica.
I telling you Slivovica is something special. That is original domestic Serbian drink- internationaly well respected. That is plum`s brandy, very very strong with beautifull aroma in the same time.
:)
Forget about Spirytus. That`s not art of good drinking. :)
You guys need to taste Serbian SHLIVOVICA (on Serbian- Šljivovica).
Then we can talk seriously.
I would just say that Tequila, Wisky or Vodka looks like a good joke when compare with Slivovica.
I telling you Slivovica is something special. That is original domestic Serbian drink- internationaly well respected. That is plum`s brandy, very very strong with beautifull aroma in the same time.
:)
Crow
9 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
I wouldn`t say that he can be compared with Hitler.
Yes, secret service (secret is secret, I agree- if anything can be secret) but, as part of good and transparent democratic mechanism.
Quoting: Crow
In any case man has military background
So did Hitler...
In any case man has military background
So did Hitler...
I wouldn`t say that he can be compared with Hitler.
Tranparency- countries still need their own secret service(for want of a better word) for obvious reasons.A pretty naiive country to give up classified info to another without a good reason.
Yes, secret service (secret is secret, I agree- if anything can be secret) but, as part of good and transparent democratic mechanism.
Crow
8 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
In any case man has military background.
What Russia need (not only Russia) is full democracy and transparency on all level of society.
In any case man has military background.
What Russia need (not only Russia) is full democracy and transparency on all level of society.
Crow
7 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
I won`t say biggest threat but- let`s say enough big.
...not only for Poland but for inter Slavic relations and for Russia itself, too.
If just democracy could strenghten in Russia. That could change everything.
Yes, Stalin and communists but, before Stalin there was Lenin and, as I know he was prepared in Germany for destabilization of Russia.
government/state level Russia is the biggest threat for Poland
I won`t say biggest threat but- let`s say enough big.
...not only for Poland but for inter Slavic relations and for Russia itself, too.
If just democracy could strenghten in Russia. That could change everything.
Blame Stalin and the communists
Yes, Stalin and communists but, before Stalin there was Lenin and, as I know he was prepared in Germany for destabilization of Russia.
Crow
5 Mar 2007
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]
All Slavs would live batter if Poland and Russia start to work togather.
All Slavs would live batter if Poland and Russia start to work togather.
Crow
18 Feb 2007
Life / Poland's National Anthem "Mazurek Dąbrowskiego" (download mp3) [49]
Beautiful words
thanks for link
:)
Beautiful words
thanks for link
:)