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Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Ridiculous.

Nun ja...if you think so...

Which, incidentally, they still haven't paid back...

I believe they paid back everything...it was in the news...

December 29, 2006
By Bloomberg News

Britain will transfer $84 million to the U.S. Treasury today, the final payment on a debt used to finance the World War II defeat of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.
The U.S. extended $4.34 billion in credit in 1945, allowing the U.K. to stave off bankruptcy after devoting almost all its resources to the war for half a decade. Since 1950 Britain has made payments on the debt at the end of every year except six.
...

Only as long as the German economy could sustain it. In this case, not very long at all.

That wasn't the question.
The "What if" you brought on was if Germany could have gotten away with it if they had been content with Poland, not about their economy.

I think perhaps your timeline is a little... different... from the rest of ours. What year, again, did Germany attack the USSR? After invading France, wasn't it? Which they did after France attacked them, didn't they?

Again...in your "What if" there would be no further war..not with GB nor with Russia and everything points to that if Germany had sat quietly on Poland alone and had left the other powers to their own nothing else would had happened than just lot's of exchange of diplomatical niceties.

Why did Britain even enter the war in the first place?!

Because they saw Germany as the one real threat to their european balance?
Why do you think Britain didn't declare war to the Russians too (who also invaded Poland)?

Face it, this all has nothing to do with the cuddly Poles but everything with tough european power games.

They would, and they did.

No they wouldn't have if GB hadn't lobbied for years...

The phony war between Germany, France and GB (you know the whole time the Wehrmacht was having fun in Poland) was only broken by the german invasion of France and Germany getting uncomfortable close to the british islands.

GB had to do something about it and called Washington.
Then Hitler thought that a good moment to wake the other behemoth...well...we know the rest.

Scratch that and Germany would still sit on Poland!
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Poland was foolish in believing that the help Britain could provide would have been enough to enable Poland to fight off the Germans.

Sorry Pan, but that's how I read this history too...

Pilsudzki had one thing in common with Hitler - camps.

As did Stalin...camps were quite a common measure of internal and external politics in many countries in these times...
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Oh, you think so?

Definitely!
The phony war of the Frenchies and the Brits would had gone on for veeeeery long.
Maybe some years later after Germany had reincorporated the disputed territories back into Germany (plus some more very probably) Berlin would had come to an agreement with London and Paris (maybe that Hitler had promised not to attack them or such) but I'm fairly sure that nobody else would had risked anything just for Poland...history proves me right....

PS: Japan would had nothing to do with the european theater...as very probably wouldn't had the US (as GB wouldn't bring them in) or Russia (as Germany would had left them alone).

But as we all know Hitler was so not content with Poland alone!

Except for rightful heirs to lost property which may indeed obtain it after going through the courts to prove right of inheritance, no matter how difficult and paper-choked that trail may be.

But that better stays an individual case and not a state crusade...
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

No, don't blame the Nazi

You like 'em?

No, don't blame the Nazis. It's you Germans

If you like it better...it's me Germans!

All one has to do is to look at WWI for examples of lebensraum.

WWI and Lebensraum???
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Not really, how did your country look on May 8th 1945?

Hence my "usually".
But Germany would had gotten away with it if they had been content with Poland.
But then..it wouldn't had been the Nazis...

I laugh.

Well...then please tell your compatriots to laugh some more too and to stop the whining and complaining and blaming.
Poland made their choices and paid for it, as did Germany and every other country in this time in Europe...

It's 60+ years now, most of Europe has moved on and reconciliated and nobody owes Poland a thing!

Reading the polish comments on youtube under the new ad for VW by Jeremy Clarkson one could think the war is still running on...
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

You've forgotten the classification under which all Jews & Poles came under. Hardly a recipe for negotiation or diplomacy. Wakey wakey!

Hitler made the laws...had Poland become an ally he had declared you as Germany's best friends.

You know that pic? Hitler at Pilsudski's funeral:

*wakey, wakey*

As for the Munich agreement - yes the Poles did take a chunk- but what happened in 1919?

Another border conflict?
You don't need to lecture me about it...the Treaties of Versailles and Trianon was a catastrophe for central Europe.
Why do you think Hungary (Polands best friend I've heard) decided to ally themselves to Nazi-Germany?
Central Europe was rife with hostilities between the ethnical groups after the destruction of the empires and the often catastrophical drawing of new borders (by London and Paris mainly).
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Do you really believe Hitler was making a peace offering to the Brits in 1940?

You should know by now that the ethnical tensions after the Treaty of Versailles were a big reason of unrest and hostiliy between Germany and Poland already before Hitler came to power.

Poland invaded Czechoslovakia alongside Hitler after the Munich agreement to bite a chunk out of the helpless country, reasoning it with border disputes.
So don't sell me the polish holy innocence act here...Germany was just the much bigger bully to Poland...but this tactic is well known to all bullies.

Would diplomacy had worked? Why not.
Hitler offered Poland also the possibility to become part of the anti-comintern pact already in 1935, what would had made Poland actually part of an anti-soviet alliance.

The Wehrmacht would proably still have marched through Poland, but not as an enemy but to fight the Soviets.
But they declined...so the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came later..

Polish diplomacy was always more concerned with London and Paris these days...

Not to mention the fact Poles were not allowed to be armed. It was cavalry against tanks.

Where did you get that?

Ever heard of the polish-soviet war before? Of the invasion of Czechoslovakia??? How do you think the Poles did it???
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

It was the mind set of the Germans that made diplomacy impossible.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)#cite_ref-21

...
At midnight on 29 August German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop handed British Ambassador Sir Neville Henderson the list of terms which would allegedly ensure peace in regards to Poland.
Danzig was to be returned to Germany (Gdynia would remain with Poland), and there was to be a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor, based on residency in 1919, within the year.[22] An exchange of minority populations between the two countries was proposed.[23]

Did you ever hear about that? I would be really surprised if you did...tell me about propaganda!

...
On 30 August the Polish Navy sent its destroyer flotilla to Britain, executing Operation Peking. On the same day, Marshal of Poland Edward Rydz-Śmigły announced the mobilization of Polish troops....

Poland made a grave error and they paid dearly for it.
Spitting at their big, angry neighbours, fully trusting far away countries to pull their nuts out of the fire if pushes came to shove...that's all to it, really!

In principal not different to that:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

One bully invading another country about disputed lands.
The bigger bully get's away with it usually..
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Why does nobody talk about polish diplomacy failures during the build up to this war?

Germany and Russia are the most important neighbours of Poland, not France or GB! They should have aligned their diplomatic efforts and tactics accordingly...

Does Poland really expect always to get their nuts out of the fires by other countries???
Bratwurst Boy   
6 Aug 2009
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

Christianity basically taught compromise

That is a fairly new development...and mostly because they had to since they lost alot of their power due secularization.
Millions died in the last millennia because Christians fanatics were quite unwilling to compromise at all.

Need a history primer for the religious wars ravaging Europe and killing and devastating the lands?

it wasn't the goal of the leadership even if the Soviet (Russian or whatever) soldiers themselves believed so

What do you think they believed as they invaded Poland along side the german army in '39?

it is just people who have some strong beliefs and act based upon them in the politics

They should be kept out of politics at any cost.
I really wouldn't want some one in the government who believes God spoke to him and he acts on Gods behalf.
That is a recipe for doom!

why should one separate himself from what he believes in public life

Because it could very well be it isn't the belief of his neighbour?
When you force your belief on your neighbour what is that then?

Religion should be a matter for your private life...there you can do what you want!
But don't pester your compatriots with it who might think differently to avoid useless arguments and fights and splits in the society.
That's what secularization is about!
(And it's a damn good thing IMHO)
Bratwurst Boy   
2 Aug 2009
News / What's the stupidest question asked about Poland? [414]

Why? War propaganda (I think it was a German one) trying to ridicule Polish armed forces often did spread that crap where in fact Poles used the cavalry to charge against vulnerable against that attack German artillery.

I still wonder why especially german war propaganda is still charged for all polish woes.
I mean Germany was the axis, the main enemy...where is the logic that the allies should listen and believe in german war propaganda, repeat the stories and the jokes decades after the wars end???

Is that some kind of "polish logic"??? :)
The allies believed nothing else from this propaganda but "loved" the anti-polish things??? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Merkel's fat ass.

HEY! ....it's not THAT fat....she has only heavy bones..
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

I'm no Jew and I don't plan to become one.
I detest all book religions equally...I'm for sure not the right one to ask!

I only know that these "Ultra Orthodox" ones look absolutely ridiculous in their dark "uniforms", their beards, their funny hats and their side locks...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

you're welcome, now go suck another sausage and pretend it's Hitler's cock.

No time....Mars missions to plan, Solar energy to gather, Scrappy to annoy...
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

...ubermensch

Tja....if you say so...but thanks!

What is a Jew, BB? :)

A member of the jewish faith? Just guessing here...
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

BB, do you have many Jews in Berlin?

No idea....I only know that most of the Jews in Berlin are not your run of the mill - Jews but Russians who somehow could show a jewish connection and then were allowed to immigrate.

They now are the big majority of the Jews in Berlin.
Not very observant...no hebrew but russian...I dunno if you really can call them Jews at all....
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

My are you a dumb crap! No wonder the US are in such sh'it right now....

....or has your boyfriend his "migraine" again?

But then...when YOU present "Americas finest" we will win every race with you easily! And we wouldn't even have to steal other countries brains for it...

Economically Europe left the US already behind:

ipezone.blogspot.com/2008/03/crash-and-burn-eu-overtakes-us-in-gdp.html

...The American Dream has been foreclosed. Wall Street biggies on the verge of collapse, massive budget and trade deficits, a personal savings rate less than zero, a currency becoming more worthless with each passing day...the list goes on and on...
.
As the US dollar plumbs new depths on a nearly daily basis, the result is that the valuation of EU output has overtaken that of the US....

Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Without Americans you'd be in Stalin's boneyard,

Probably not!
Without a second front the Nazis could had taken Moscow.
But could the West had won without the Russians? Highly doubtable....

It's beside the point really, the Russians got their share of german scientists too.
Wasn't it an Ami who said: "Our Germans are better than your Germans!"....or something like this during the cold war? :)

Still where is your space program

Well....thanks to you there was no way after 1945.
But it could very well be that it will be Europeans who are the first to go to Mars.
And Germany is big in the ESA!

A unified Europe with german brains against the US without german brains...ESA against NASA...would be a nice space race, wouldn't it?
Any bets? :):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Where the hell is Germany's moon landing if you are a breeding farm for such geniuses?

LOL

Do you have any idea about the project Paperclip Crappy?
Read that and weep:

The Great Patents Heist

Article from the The Barnes Review, March/April 1999, pp. 27-33.

...It is quite acceptable to American pride to acknowledge that immigrants have contributed to our prosperity and greatness. It's a little harder to swallow that a good deal of our scientific lead and prosperity - despite the ever-increasing burdens of non-skilled illegal immigrants and unproductive home-growns - has come from simply seizing German patents and inventions after World War I and far more so after World War II....
.
...Virtually no one knows that in Wright-Patterson Field in Ohio, in the Library of Congress and in the Department of Commerce in Washington, a "mother lode" of 1,500 tons of German patents [...]

Without the Germans you would be nowhere!
(Yup, we are some kind of a "breeding farm for geniuses!)
Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Besides Von Braun - CHOSE - to come to the States.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

...After the war, he and some of his rocket team were taken to the United States as part of the then-secret Operation Paperclip.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Yeah, and Goddard made Von Braun's work possible.

...In the words of NASA, he is "without doubt, the greatest rocket scientist in history. His crowning achievement ... was to lead the development of the Saturn V booster rocket that helped land the first men on the Moon in July 1969."[4]

Bratwurst Boy   
23 Jul 2009
History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Playing Wagner to a Jew is very wrong.

Is it?

Barenboim himself wanted to conduct Wagner.
What about the Jews who would like to hear it?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1311347.stm

...Barenboim said he could understand the feelings of those who felt uncomfortable with Wagner's music, but that he was "outraged" at the attempt to stop other people hearing the music.

"I think the whole issue of Wagner is irrational," he said.

"You can say many things about Wagner but he is not responsible for the Holocaust...

Should the Americans not have flown to the moon because it was the Nazi von Braun who made that possible???

Gah!
Bratwurst Boy   
21 Jul 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

No...not really....that were the Cro-Magnon...and they ate the Neanderthals!

Europe's Ancestors: Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans

We are all Cro-Magnons (Coppi too)! *GROUP HUG*
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jul 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

I very well know who the team of the researchers were.

So it is hardly a "desperate german try" as you stated, isn't it!

For me the killer argument is actually how he listed himself as belonging to the German Nation as he enrolled in the university in Bologna.

For me that says everything, really.
It so doesn't matter what you or I think or want to believe...

And now done with it or Torq will kill me with the Treaty!
*looks around fearfully....takes helmet and runs*
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jul 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

You're missing the point BB.

*waves Treaty at Piorun*

Stop adressing me....I'm bound not to respond...not
fair!!!

PS. The source that you provided, proves to me how desperate the Germans are to prove he's German.

It was a swedish/polish team....

Author contributions: W. Bogdanowicz, M.A., and W. Branicki designed research;
W. Bogdanowicz, M.A., W. Branicki, M.L., M.G., and T.K. performed research;
W. Bogdano- wicz, M.A., W. Branicki, M.L., M.G., and T.K. analyzed data; and W. Bogdanowicz, M.A., W. Branicki, and M.G. wrote the paper.

pnas.org/content/early/2009/07/06/0901848106.abstract

What's with your fixation with haplogroups?

The newest genetic research was a last one in a long list of arguments which point clearly to Kopernikus being a German.
And you know that very well..stop playing daft!
Bratwurst Boy   
20 Jul 2009
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Germans as ethos are in general germanized Slavs

Hmmm....how come the different haplogroups then?

And who did all this "germanizing" then in the first place if there weren't any Germans to begin with? :)