News / Skins vs anarchists in Warsaw [93]


What about urban scum from the bigger and smaller cities and town scum from towns? What about goofy from the UK?
Should they be allowed into Warsaw on 11 November, you prejudiced snob?

Btw, I've never seen nor heard of neo-Nazi scum living in the Polish countryside, unlike in the cities. *raises an eyebrow*

News / Skins vs anarchists in Warsaw [93]


Yes, they did, but law doesn't seem to be doing much about it. The march can't be banned, because that would be unconstitutional or sth?


How? I'm part of that moderate and normal majority and I don't see this being dealt with effectively.
If the march can't be banned then I'd like to see the organisers to be charged with paying for the damages! And serious convictions for the perpetrators.


Of course it's a proof that sth is wrong in the country, but the dangerous thing about it is that Kaczyński gave "enemies" (the government and Russians, adding them to some long list, I imagine) to those people and gave them some political backing and wing in their sales. Kaczyński and PiS opened a Pandora's box. They didn't attend the march this year but I'm pretty sure they won't condemn what happened either. Who knows, maybe it's too late anyway. The Beast has been set loose.

I don't know, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I'm starting to get worried...


Well, it had to be unguarded at the back if the morons managed to set fire to the sentry box.
I think this mob shouldn't be even allowed anywhere near the embassy in the first place.

I'm f.... angry. This should not be tolerated.

I hope that all those who usually defended kibole see them now for who they are.
We look like some fundamentalist Arab country now - an attack on a foreign embassy... ffs...
This got out of control.

And what Ziemkiewicz wrote on Twitter about the rainbom installation?
He wrote: "Ale nawiasem to szkoda że jak już nie sfajczyli przy okazji i tej obrzydliwej palmy na rondzie degola"
Isn't it against the law to publicly applaud a criminal act?

Lastly, something that cheered me up - Edyta Górniak putting flowers into the burned installation :)

More and more of Warsaw comes spontaneously to plug in a burned rainbow of vibrant flowers . Among them met even Edyta Gorniak .

Genealogy / Polish surname Youshefskie [5]


You're welcome :)
Btw, because of the way your surname is spelled in English it would be "Juszewski" in Polish. But since when I googled the surnames the ones that came up where usually surnames of people in the past and Polish Americans, I wrote "Jurzewski". So maybe check "Juszewski" too.

It could be also spelled "Jużewski".
Still, I think Jurzewski would be most common nowadays in Poland.

Language / Polish word WONT - as in "go away" [6]

It's "Won!", without "t" at the end.


Now it is - it's a loandword from Russian language - rusycyzm (Russianism, Russism, or Russicism).
You can also say "Paszoł won!" Without those loanwords it would be "Precz!" and "Poszedł precz!"

Genealogy / Polish surname Youshefskie [5]


I think it's most probably Jurzewski (the original, Polish spelling).

Love / Massive problems with Polish mother-in-law [36]


Sorry, guys, but people who like their mother-in-law, don't come to an internet forum to complain about her, that's rather logical :)

Timefly, don't listen to Bieganski, it looks like you have a Monster-in-Law :) She seems to be a spoiled, rich, manipulative and toxic person.
Your husband should tell her that if she won't start treating you with respect, she'll lose her only son. A clear condition and no backing down.

Now you're family too and she's ought to recpect that.


OMG, I have no words for that... What a b***.

Looks like she should get some reality check. And counseling lol


Or prejudices :)


Some Polish women, sweetie.


+100


Yeah, this forum gave me some reality check lol

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


LOL


You don't live in Poland, don't you? lol

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


I think he was ironical and yes, he is a publicity hungry twat lol But I don't see anything that would convince me that he's racist. One joke isn't enough for me.


You've shown me only one racist joke that doesn't really differ from his other idiotic jokes, rather sexist, a$$holish, provocative behaviour, etc.

What's that repeated racial abuse? You mean that about "a national register of negroes" and KKK? I'd have to see the context for this, I suspect it was one of his mock-conversations on his radio show. Do you have a link?


lol
Well, everybody in Poland knows who he is, how did you dare not to know! lol
He could be joking, though, he's very autoironic on his TV show, on the other hand he seems to have a big ego too.

Btw, here Meller is talking with him about his (Meller's) criticism of that radio show about Ukrainians I think, and sth about a black guy too - maybe the one from X Factor: kuba.tvn.pl/wideo,2331,v/co-wk-ia-mellera,934485.html

And here Wojewódzki is calling Meller " a little atheistic Jewish tin* ":

kuba.tvn.pl/wideo,2331,v/pojedynek-na-plaskacze,934482.html

Do you think Wojewódzki is an anti-Semite too? lol

*konserwa - someone with conservative views

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


I've seen it too and if you watched more episodes I think you'd realise that he isn't a racist and you'd know how liberal he is and actually critical of racism, xenophobia, homophobia.

Btw, he did get a kicking from Tyson, but not for being a racist lol You should watch the whole thing if you dislike him so much ;)

Btw, at the beginning of the episode with Kazadi and Tyson Wojewódzki is introducing himself as the "Chief Racist of Poland".
Now, do you think he's:
a) serious,
b) ironical
?


I really doubt that, both Kazadi and Ariunbaatar are media people.
Simply everyone knows in Poland what Wojewódzki is like.
He has no respect for anything, as far as I've noticed.
People in general are afraid to come to his show lol


Kazadi? I doubt it, that girl has attitude ;)


I'm claiming that he isn't a racist because he's abusing people equally. So either he isn't a racist and he's simply an ******* with a crude sense of humour or he's anti-everything.


Harry, I'm really tired of you accusing me of this.
You seem to often do this when I disagree with you.
Is it because I'm Polish?
You assume that every Pole who disagrees with you must be overly patriotic or defensive?
I know Wojewódzki's TV personality, and what views he presents on TV and that's why I think you're wrong.
If I didn't think you're wrong about him I wouldn't be disagreeing with you.


No, I don't think he wanted to humiliate him, I've heard so many of his low jokes about so many people, all kinds of people, that I think most people see it this way - him making a jackass of himself yet again and everybody knows what to expect from him.

Yes, if I would see only this clip I would most probably think that he's a racist idiot, but since I, as everyone in Poland who owns a TV set and have seen his show and radio show, know what's his game.

It's a bit like with Ali G and his Borat - is he being offensive to Kazakhstan and it's people or not?
Some comedians go over board.
But that doesn't make them necessarily racist. Even if they make a racist joke.
Although, I don't like his behaviour on that X Factor clip.
And many other things he did, anyway.


Well, Harry, it's not the first time you're being prejudiced and utterly clueless about me. Nothing new under the Sun.
No, I'm just being objective, Harry.
If I was petty I could call him racist for his attitude towards the Catholic Church and his sexist use of "Dominika Wodzianka" on his TV show but I'm more objective than that. He doesn't seem to be a racist, judging by his views and his criticism of Polish society, etc.

Maybe you have some personal grudge - was he not nice to you when you've met him in person?


Ouch! lol
:)


Sure, sure.


:)


Ah, there you go. (sarcasm*)

*in case someone thought I agree with grubas

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


?


Meaning - you haven't watched his TV show, have you?


Harry, if he's such a racist then why people of different races come to his show?


I'm not defending him, I'm saying how it is.
I really think you're simply stubborn and clueless.


As I wrote - you two would make great friends :)

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


Don't be silly, Harry, I'm sure KKK are usually great patriots or nationalists.


Then you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Harry, I'm sorry.
I have an assignment for you :)
Buy a TV set and watch every episode of Kuba Wojewódzki show and then make a judgment.
And then talk to Bilguun Ariunbaatar, Patricia Kazadi and Mike Tyson (all of whom were his guests on his TV show) in 2013 (Patricia also in 2010) and ask them if they think he's a racist.

And then get back to me ;)

You know, it's kind of funny, Wojewódzki is so liberal and critical towards Polish society that you two probably would make great friends.

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


Yes, that's a typical Wojewódzki for you. "Była żylasta" ;P
I already wrote - yes, he's a crude a$$hole, he often goes over board with his jokes, offends people (all kinds of people, white Poles included) and I don't think it's OK, but I'm 99% sure he isn't a racist.

His role on the X-Factor was to be a clown, that's what he's known for.


*sigh*
No, Harry, it isn't. I actually found some of his radio shows offensive for me as a Catholic, but he isn't a racist.

You haven't seen any episode of his TV show, have you? Yes or no?
He always tries to make his guests feel uncomfortable and pretends to be an idiot, although he is intelligent.
He's a d1ck though.
And he often goes over board.
But if you think he's racist than he's also very anti-Catholic and anti-Polish.
And PiS and Kaczyński absolutely detest him after this one:



Many people found it very distasteful (also using the Polish national anthem in this) but many anti-PiS Poles were laughing their asses off too.

If he turned out to be a racist, then I'd be very, very, really very surprised. I'm 100% honest, Harry.


Will I get an answer, btw?

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


I haven't heard those comments, so I don't know what was that all about. Probably taken out of context, at least those about "a national register of negroes" and Ku Klux Klan, just like with that "if his Ukrainian maid was at bit prettier he'd have raped her".


Ah, I see you don't know what was that all about.
It was a mock-conversation between him and Michał Figurski (who's half-Russian himself) on their radio show.
They were pretending to be some Polish, sexist bigots.
It was supposed to be a criticism of the attitude of some Poles to Ukrainians coming here to work and doing jobs like cleaning ladies, etc., in their mind.

After the sh1tstorm ensued they were saying "don't shoot the messenger", I guess.
But I agree it was over the line and there's no reason to humiliate people to make one's point.
And I'm glad they took down their show from the radio.
Btw, Wojewódzki in those shows also made fun of the Church, priests, Catholics. There were also mock-conversations in which he was pretending to be a priest speaking in a "prayerful" fashion, etc.


I doubt Patricia Kazadi would come to his show if he was a racist.
I've watched quite a few episodes of his show on TV, I've listened to quite a few of his and Figurski's shows on radio and I can tell you that, yes, he is an arsehole, not a racist one, though.

If you think he's racist, I suspect you've never seen his TV show.
I would say he's even on some kind of a mission to criticize everything that is wrong in Polish society, including racism, xenophobia, homophobia (and Catholicism, it seems lol).

He's really very liberal.
I'm surprised that you don't know that, tbh.
He's a crude a$$hole, yes, and is seen by many as an arrogant clown and disliked and as much as I don't like some of his comments and behaviour I must say he isn't a racist. Quite the opposite, as far as I've noticed.

Harry, I must ask - do you own a TV set? Do you watch Polish TV? Because it's not the first time I have an impression that you don't.

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


Wojewódzki was making racist comments? You know he's as liberal as one can be? lol He's simply a jerk to people, white Poles included, and he's convinced he's very funny being that. He's not a racist, though. Just an a$$hole :P

Life / Poland: The land of -isms [63]


I really don't gei it, why people coming here expect Poland to be just like the West or the US.
It isn't.
It's not a "fairly" homogenous country - when we compare it to the West, it's a very homogenous country.
Of course there will be more racists than in the West.
But from my experience, majority of people in Poland aren't racist.
For some people it may be enough, for others - not really.
Of course I'm not black or Asian, but I do observe Poles' reactions to people of other races and I hear what people say.


I can't say I've experienced much sexism here, either, tbh.


What is that?


Noone said it is ;)


In my opinion 2.5 years isn't that much, but if you feel that way.


True, but it is mainly the economic situation.
On the other hand, I live in Kielce, it's a provincial city and I enjoy visiting Warsaw, for example, looking around and seeing people with different skin colour, different nationalities, hearing different languages. Homogeneity (and the resulting attitude of some people to diversity) can be a bit suffocating in the long run. If I was ever to move abroad that would be probably the main reason - to experience diversity.


Well, John Godson seems to be enjoying it here ;)
ET, my mum was assisted by a black doctor when she was giving birth to my brother (and that was years ago... in Kielce! lol). It wasn't her doctor, her doctor got sick or sth and there she was, with her waters broken, having contractions and some black person is walking out of the room and saying "Zapraszam!" She was so shocked that she wanted to run away xD It was the first time she saw a balck person live in her life. Even in the movies and TV series during the communism balck people were often played by white Polish actors with some kind of dark make up on lol

Of course, he did assist my mum in the end and now I'm joking that my brother can't be a racist (and he isn't) because the first human he saw was black lol

Years later she took my brother to a doctor, and there he was - the same doctor who delivered him. So he must have been living in my city all this time. I don't know if he was enjoying it, but it couldn't be that terrible if he stayed, I guess.


That's not racism though, people aren't accustomed to people of different races and that's why they stare and sometimes even point at people. Those people usually aren't aware that it can make someone uncomfortable. I myself usually try not to look, although I'm curious and it's natural to turn your head and look at sth or someone that caught your eye because I know that people usually consider it racist.

I remember some years ago I was going with a girl I knew from a bus stop and we saw a really tall black guy (he probably was playing for a basketball team, because no other reason for him to come to Kielce came to my mind) and my aquaintance stopped dead on the sidewalk and stared at him with her mouth open xD I had to elbow her to snap her out of it lol It was soooo embarrassing for me xDDD But only because I've been to Paris and have seen plenty of black people there (which was a shock for me at first too). So I was more or less accustomed to such sight. My aquaintance, however, was never abroad at that time. So after I snapped her out of the shock she was like "Did you see that guy?? He was sooo black! And sooo tall!" xD And so I explained to her that in France there are plenty of black people, even more black than that guy." And she was like "Really????" xDDD Honestly, it was as if someone put a white guy in the middle of an African tribe in some desolate part of Africa or in some Amazonian tribe with people never seeing a white person in their life ;) As if an UFO has landed xD It was a hilarious scene but I suspect it didn't make that guy feel too comfortable lol

What I'm trying to say is - she wasn't mean about it, she wasn't racist, she was simply completely unaccustomed to black people.


This is a slogan of neo-Nazis (and organisations like ONR, I can imagine).


That's almost hard for me to believe, to be honest. But if it happened, you should report it.


+10


There's an economic crisis and my guess is that things may get even worse for a short period of time (just my guess though). So if you feel that uncomfortable in Poland I can't blame you for leaving.

But I do think that in the long run things will change for the better and are changing all the time - I've been living here since I was born so I know.

And I'm really, really sorry that you had such unpleasant experiences, ET.

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I guess you don't.


Not really, there must be some gentlemen among the British... somewhere... I hope...


True, but you see, only men feel the need to be primitive, retarded, rude and demeaning towards women about it.
I'm sure you're proud of yourself. You're so funny.

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It's good that you've decided to show your true colours, blue. I guess your lot always do, eventually.

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]


Good one!


Okey, jon357, so what's the correct term used by native speakers of English? And why a British newspaper used the wrong one?


Does he have an office, though?

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]

"Then war it is!

No English shall spit in our faces
nor rummage in our panties
a mighty regiment of ours shall stand
and Lech will be our chieftain."

(or sth of this kind lol)

xD

Thank you very much my little helpful pixie :) Lenka

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]


Could be, but I suspect he wouldn't make such a fuss about it if he was simply informed beforehand that there won't be any "VIP pass" for him or whatever.


Why wouldn't she?

I've read your post a couple of times and I didn't understand what you wanted from me and how did it matter what it was called.

I'm writing "a VIP pass" in this thread all the time. A British newspaper used it too, so I guess it must be correct.

As for "przejście VIP-owskie" - it was just a quoted sentence by Wałęsa from the article.
That's how Wałęsa called it.
I don't know what's the right expression in Polish for this.
You think it should be "przepustka VIP-owska"?


In Polish or in English?

OK, jon357, I'm not a Nobel winning ex-President lol and I have absolutely no idea what the procedures are in such case.

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Not to me. Could you explain what you mean?
Is the expression "VIP pass" correct or not?

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]


Jon357, what kind of translation mistake? "The Telegraph" wrote "a VIP pass". That's the expression I'm using in this thread. I guess it must be correct if a British newspaper used it too? It isn't?


Well, I think I wouldn't be making such a big deal out of this in his place, he is known in Poland as being quite a buffoon at times, but, as I wrote already, I don't understand why Wałęsa wasn't informed that he would be treated as other passengers and he might be subjected to a baggage control.

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"Mr Walesa said the embassy had assured him that he would receive a VIP pass when he landed in the UK but instead of being ushered through without let or hindrance he got a very different reception."


Quote from: trojmiasto.gazeta.pl/trojmiasto/1,49422,14773455.html#ixzz2hhil3vka

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It's possible that he was agitated and he exaggerated (after all, it's Wałęsa - he kind of speaks before he thinks lol), I wouldn't know - I wasn't there.

I doubt that he'll never go to London again, but who knows, it's Wałęsa, after all, so everything is possible :)
I do wonder, however, why he wasn't informed that he won't get a VIP pass.

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]

Yes, he wrote first on his blog that the Polish Embassy "set him up in a lying and provocative way". He probably cooled off later on ;)

News / Lech Walesa vs Immigration: Brits humiliated him at London Heathrow Airport [105]


Could be. Or maybe it was some kind of misunderstanding.


I meant with the UK's Foreign Office. Polish Embassy asked them for the VIP pass for Wałęsa and they declined.
Did you guys even read the linked article?

I wonder if you guys are able to provide arguments to prove your point without making jabs at Poles.

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Or maybe he was asking about it 3 times because at first and second time they were saying sth like "We're working on it".

We don't really know.
As well as we don't know why the Polish Embassy didn't inform Wałęsa that he will be treated as a regular passenger. At least there's nothing about it in the Embassy's statement, as quoted in the article.


xD

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According to that Polish article, in which Wałęsa is quoted, he says:
"Nie wiem, czy ktoś mi to zrobił specjalnie, czy ambasada nie potrafiła takiej prostej rzeczy załatwić. W każdym razie przy wyjeździe wszystko już było w porządku."

He says he doesn't know whether someone did this to him on purpose or not. Nothing about "a provocation".
Btw, what UK media?


What does it have to do with anything?

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According to the article and what I've heard on the news yesterday, Wałęsa asked the Polish Embassy three times whether they got a VIP pass for him for the British airport and they said they did. Also at a Polish airport Wałęsa asked about this and he was reassured again.

The Polish Embassy in London in a statement said that they aksed the UK's Foreign Office for a VIP pass for Wałęsa but they were declined.

So I don't know what happened - the Polish Embassy didn't inform Wałęsa that he may be subjected to a control at the airport or what?

Wałęsa says that he doesn't know whether someone did this to him on purpose or the Polish Embassy wasn't able to get such a simple thing done.

Life / I am moving to Bydgoszcz and need some answers to my questions [8]

You're welcome :) As for your other questions, I don't live in Bydgoszcz so I can't really say, but:


I doubt there are areas in the city with a lot of English speaking foreigners (but, as I wrote, I don't live there).


I don't know which are the best, but that's what I've found by googling:

bellcorporate.pl
en.kpsw.edu.pl/en/school-of-polish-language-and-culture/


I doubt there are, tbh.


But you could check out this church and ask: diecezja.byd.pl/index.php/spis-parafii/141

At some point they were conducting masses in different languages, also in English (but that was in 2005, I don't know if they still do that).