Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


I don't know you.



No ego yet you just proclaim your Canadian-ness as something special whenever you create the chance?
Give it a rest already, we get it, you're so proud of the fact you were born somewhere but choose not to live there.


I never stated what you're doing is evil. I insinuated it is greedy and if you equate that to evil then that's up to you to reconcile. If it's not greed motivated then I retract my statement. Are you planning on buying and renting out property out of motivation other than greed?

If you're going to have a go at debating what I've written, at least be aware enough not to trot out the very reasoning I already dismissed: other people do worse things; it's legal so it's okay, other people do it too. Everything you've written in attempts to justify your intended action can be boiled down to one of those attempts at reason.


I never state you were evil and I certainly didn't state it so based on any numerical value associated with your income. You want to have a go at reasoned argument then do so but make sure your i's are dotted and your t's are crossed. Chill out and mull it over in your pointy little head and get back to me.


Save your false indignation, you pretentious so and so. There are lots of people who donate more than EVEN YOU to charities and also operate with a much higher greed motivation than you- this doesn't help whatever goofy logic you're trying to run with.

What you're essentially saying is it's okay to exploit one person's need for a home as long as you donate to others who are worse off.


This is infantile reasoning. Just because your landlord rips people off big time doesn't mean taking more than you need is fine and dandy, it just means your greed is on a smaller scale.

Whatever I write, you will disagree with.

Okay, i've just read your response above this one. I can reply to it after another person posts but I thought I'd look at this gem:


Except if you're buying a property in order to rent it out.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]


Why is this your gold standard comparison?
2nd question if the average E.U. receptionist make over 2K Euro/month? Serious question cause I have no idea what the answer is.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


Sally, with all due respect, I am going to reply to you once because your response tells me you haven't really thought this one out.


No.
Choosing to drink does not promote alcoholism. Having sex does not equate to promoting sexual addiction. Eating isn't promoting obesity and drinking does not promote alcoholism.


It depends on the shop but I agree with your sentiment but not the point you're attempting to argue (I assume you're trying to call me a hypocrite in some manner or another?). Keep in mind, I am not profiting off a basic need nor am I buying more than I need in order to sell off the excess at a profit- that's the logical parallel you'd have needed to make your case.


Yes. And to a slaughter house. The more I research, the more I reduce the meat in my diet. Luckily, we do get most of our meat from a family farm.


I cannot control their actions. Here again though, the logical parallel you're looking for actually falls on those like pip. They're the ones buying more than they need and manipulating the market for personal gain. They are not producing anything. They are not delivering anything. They are not providing a service. Think about what happens when group does this on a large-scale.

Don't bother going with the comparison to a small time grocer either- the product is not similar in nature. A seller may be responsible for the transportation of goods, does provide a point of purchase for consumers and adds security to the producers themselves- they take on a risk.

You're right a large scale operation abuses their purchasing power and manipulates the market in the name of profit and would sooner throw out food than give it away for free- ask pip if she'd sooner sit on property and keep it unoccupied than let someone live there for free.


Seem to be awfully similar in some respects.


Using that logic- farmers couldn't possibly use computers or use electricity- you're not thinking clearly on this for whatever reason and your readiness name calling/labelling in place of reasoning displays this.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]


Isn't it something like 7% increase in anything over a 9.5 year period basically doubles whatever number you're working with at the outset?
If that's true then what you've written is most likely true.
People don't really grasp numbers half as well as we think because we don't use our imagination and sense of reason to project possibilities and ask questions with them.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

pip...why would I waste my time trying to convince you that whatever you do is anything other than awesome?
People, ime almost always seem to justify their actions. You have done so with the most childish ones (imo): other people do it too; there are people who do worse things; it's legal so it's okay.

Whatever. You're not going to think in any other perspective than the one which feeds your ego the most so don't let me get in the way of that.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

If you believe whatever one does is fine as long as one pays taxes on it then, no, you wouldn't get my "theory."

Take care.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


So, you're not going to build anything yourself? You're going to buy what you don't need in order to make money off of someone else's need to live under a roof?

I guess you're in that group of people who don't care how they make money, as long as they make it.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]

^ I see things differently than you I guess.
7-10 years is a very long time and I am not convinced it's outside the realm of possibilities.
I wouldn't advise making predictions based solely on what has happened to argue my perspective on this one.
That probably seems counter-intuitive...
...oh well.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]

Does he mean the salaries here will rise to what salaries are in those countries right now or does he mean there will be parity within 7-10 years (not including a global disaster that would reduce everyone to the lowest of the low)?

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]

If your goal is to get through pharmacy school and land a job in a chemist's/drug store/pharmacy then you really have to ask yourself if the qualifications you obtained in Poland would be valued outside of Poland and where.

I don't think you'd make a good living in Poland compared to the same jobs in the UK or North America.

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]

Wait. What?
Jews started both world wars?
Uhhh, you know you're gonna come off as crazy if you write that without any support for it whatsoever?
Unless you can provide some rationale for stating such a thing, you ought to take a step back and ask yourself why you'd post such a thing.

News / What should Poland do to solve the population crisis? [101]

@Sebastian
Wait wait wait, hold on. Look at what you wrote "If Poland was a country of 30 million, and a 30 million, which consisted of many young people, and not too many old people, that would be great!"

Ok then, we agree that would great and awesome.

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


I think it's practically illegal to do that in some places. Odd you would bring that up though, is this just you going fishing?

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


Dismiss/deflect and provide nothing of substance- you are consistent.


A childishly paranoid response.

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


What is such a person? You know what conspiracy theorists used to be called? Journalists.
Now anyone who questions the status quo is dismissively labelled as such without anyone ever having to justify why.
I'm asking you to give some examples of why you write so negatively about him but the best you've managed is "read the book."


No such thing as what, the Holocaust Industry? So you're saying no one's made their livelihood off of their real or perceived attachment to the Holocaust? What does that word mean? What is it's origin? Is it a loaded term too? What does it mean for a term to be "loaded?"

News / What should Poland do to solve the population crisis? [101]

30 million for the size of Poland would actually be AWESOME- less traffic, less rubbish, fewer govnerment workers. The transition period from 38M down to 30M could be lethal though.

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


No, that was most definitely not my question:


And some Jews are profiting off of the Holocaust Industry and I would suspect some are profiting far more than others and far more than they claim they suffered. This is not to say all those receiving or who have received compensation have done so out of some sick burnt offering. Shouldn't it draw ire from the Jewish community that some of their own are making out like bandits at the expense of others?

Okay, so he was sued for libel and knowing nothing else of the circumstances, what conclusion do you recommend people draw from that?


I was referring to your accusations outside of the quotation marks. Why are you calling anyone paranoid? This is the part where you call people names and then pretend it's something other than you're opinion.

You claim some things to be true about the guy yet can't seem to bring yourself to actually explain why. What exactly is your beef with the guy and what exactly are your reasons/evidence for whatever it is your problem is?

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


That doesn't answer the question. The question is, how are some Jewish people not profiting from the Holocaust Industry? They are, full stop. A logical question is then, why you went to the effort of trying to distract from this? What are you trying to avoid?


Such as?


So? What was the evidence provided? Who was the judge? Who was the plaintiff? What were the circumstances surrounding the events? If it was libel for speaking out against the Holocaust Industry then it would seem as though he chose the path with the most resistence and stuck with it. It kinda contradicts what you were tyring to suggest.


Based on?
You're just calling the guy names without actually providing a detailed basis for your accusations. I could write "you're just a greedy pig who wants to continue profiting off the sacrifice of millions and this guy bugs you because he's calling you out on it" without any proof whatsoever- it's hardly valid discussion. We can just call eachother names and call others names if what they say or write doesn't support what we think or want to think- is that where you'd like this to go?

I can post reviews by people too:



What specifically is your beef with what he's stated? Where do you think he hasn't been honest in his observations and experiences? What do you think his goal is?

History / Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations? [750]


Well to make the claim stick, you have to provide something more than baseless accusations. Who are you to question his integrity?


How is the Jewish community NOT making money from victim status? No complaints from you about that, eh?
Finkelstein may be making money from his book but he was doing just fine financially before making his stand against the Holocaust Industry. His background certainly puts him in the category of those who could have profited from toeing the line.

Could it possibly be that Finkelstein is simply telling the truth?

History / Poland worst off as a result? (life in German Prussia vs. Russian communism) [14]

so did Churchill or did he not say his stated aim was "something something about Hitler" in 1933? If not then this thread seems to be well off-aim.

UK, Ireland / "If it's not Polish, it's shite" - What is great about Polish Beer in UK? [78]

I humbly vote Czech Republic for the best beer in central Europe. Every time I have Polish beer, it's too carbonated/gassy- anyone know of any good and accessible brewers making something closer to ale?

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


Your reading comprehension is lacking as is your knowledge of the English language. I didn't offer a solution, I told you the end result I'd like to see- you are confusing means with an end.


That's not an answer as to how you would keep "things" under control. You also didn't answer how you reconcile that as social spending has increased, so have instances of teen pregnancy.


That's a retort at odds with your previous proclamation:



Well enough educated doesn't mean well educated and one would think with such a cornucopia of educated people, the problem would be solved. They're educated to think one way and one way only. The private sector? Gee I wonder what the chances are that the private sector in this area receives government funding and subsidies.


The answer is to find the reason for the fires (societal or technological) and weigh the costs of prevention versus the costs of putting out the fires. Proceed from there.

I wish I had been kinder to you as it's obvious you're quite young and, with that, a bit naive- I should have encouraged you more and for that I'm sorry. That being said, you have got some work to do in how you go about trying to analyze what's going on in society. You may think you have all the answers but as you've proven numerous times in these exchanges, you're simply out of your element. You're too proud/stubborn to accept the ideology you've ascribed to is flawed and unable to perceive there is a way of thinking that doesn't have to follow a linear spectrum (political or other). Like I wrote before, you're arguing to be right even though it's obvious you're wrong. That kind of thinking is cancerous, you really owe it to yourself to correct that.

adieu

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


No sh*t Sherlock but you asked me what I'd like to see and I told you, so what's your problem? Are you really so naive as to think that every teen mother fits the portrait you've painted. How do you reconcile that in Western Nations with increased social spending on single (largely teen) parents, new instances of single (largely teen) parents increases?


Although that isn't what has happened, I'm open to the idea that it could be done. How would you keep such "things" under control?


Yes of course, it must be those pesky conservatives at the root of every problem. Police Unions in the UK would never support anything that benefits them though.*sarcasm*


Ask them if they'd prefer to be unemployed instead.

I'm going to do a basic intelligence test on you and if you can answer this correctly then we can continue, you have limited time so don't take too long. I wrote you before about coming up with a solution if you there were a town or city with a growing problem with fires. Would your solution be to hire more fire fighters and invest in better fire fighting equipment?

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


I'd like to see a society in which bringing a baby into the world is never seen as anything more than joyous occassion, always to be celebrated, never to be regretted.


My statements are true and the fact that you don't want to believe them doesn't make an iota of difference. Just to keep you up to date, when you give government institutiions an increased mandate to fix social "problems." Those problems are never fixed and they become bigger and bigger. This is the result of how the system is set up. Social workers aren't rewarded for what they prevent, they are rewarded for who they rescue. The more people that "need rescuing" the more social workers, prison guards etc ensure their livelihood.

Here's another real world example for you: prison guard unions, prison corporations and police unions are some of the biggest lobbyists in keeping marijuana illegal in the U.S. I'm sure even you can see their motive in doing that- it is all to do with perpetuating their "need" in society and financial benefits they can obtain for their members.

When social workers get rewarded for preventing problems then I'll be more accepting of more government involvment but until then it just becomes another government beast that costs more and more because in your own words in the exact context we are discussing:


Bye.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


I wrote this in the hope it would motivate you to think a bit more than you've done thus far. You have not responded to that as I had hoped.



I did not write that no one is ever helped, you keep thinking that I'm saying government spending is an all or nothing solution when that is not what I'm warning against. You're failing to see the big picture and focusing too much on emotion without any hard analysis. Spare me the sob stories, I grew up in one and I'm unmoved. Maybe you don't believe me but I couldn't care less. The overall effect is that with increased government involvement, these societal problems worsen and the real world shows this -what have you to say to that?

I realize you want to help people but your solution simply isn't the way. It's like trying to respond to increasing numbers of fires but increasing the number of fire trucks and firemen. You do realize how that wouldn't work, don't you?

Besides that, "shared action" is not child protective services nor is it the mother and baby unit. Nobody is sharing the responsibility beyond throwing money at the problem in hopes it gets fixed. Those are tertiarary services, not primary. Band-aid solutions are not preventative ones and preventative ones most certainly have to involve society as a whole.


What is?
Lord have mercy on your ignorant soul, look at the number of questions I have asked you which you simply have failed to answer or avoided completely, you truly are one of those types who will argue to be right instead of argue to find what is or isn't the answer. That way of thinking is a cancer in this world as ever discussion gets messed up by being polarized because someone's ego needs to be "right."


As I've told you before, and since my initial response to your suggestion. I am only saying what you're advocating is a proven Losing Formula in western/free market/capitalist/consumer driven societies. I never claimed to know what the answer is but I definitely know what the answer isn't and reality has proven this.


What doesn't?
Please clarify exactly where you think the breakdown in logic is in the quote you responded to. Keep in mind I wrote what potential problems there might be in society that are causing the rise of teen pregnancy and how it is at odds with...

....
..you know what? I have had it with you, I don't say this very often in honest debate but you're actually too stupid to understand anything beyond monosyllabic monochromatic ideas. Take this entire transcript to someone you regard as WAAAAAAY SMARTER THAN YOU, but be choosey as the list is going to be long and maybe they can dumb it down for you in a face to face meeting.

If you're trolling me then congratualtions on wasting my time.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


Those aren't actual examples. Those are broad concepts that mean nothing without concrete examples.


That is a non-sequitor. I.E. your response in no way shape or form deals with the statement you sought to address.


What is?


What is?


Stop reacting and start thinking. You are operating on a paradigm of: all or nothing; conservative or democrat; black or white.
I am advocating not going with a PROVEN LOSING FORMULA. As much as you want to help those who need it, you must realize the means by which you're advocating doing so HAS PROVEN TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM. I don't know what the solution is but I know what it isn't and if you really cared about the issue, you'd pipe down and realize that your idea doesn't work.

Maybe the problem is that there shouldn't be anything wrong with being a teen parent in the first place. Maybe the problem is that society is at odds with biology. Maybe we need to change how we think and operate. Until then, teen parents are more likely to raise teen criminals and until we can figure out how to fix that, government should be kept out of social issues as much as possible.

Consider yourself educated.
Have a nice day.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


your response:


Does this mean you can't come up with any examples?


your response:


seems to conflict greatly with your previous posturings and promises:


So government funding will never be enough to fix socially contrived problems but you advocate going ahead and trying it anyhow? For the love of whatever you hold dear, think about this and realize the madness you're advocating. By now, it should be clear to you that you've proven yourself wrong.

- People who get jobs in these areas have a FINANCIALLY VESTED INTEREST IN maintaining the problem.
- There will always be people who make mistakes
- The lesser the consequences, the more people take risks

It's in the interest of Social Welfar officers' and counsellors' families to never fix the problem in the short or long run because then they would be out of work. It's a self perpetuating cycle and you've admitted as much. It's a matter of whether the system encourages others, who would otherwise be careful, in engaging in riskier behaviour or whether the lack of a safety net discourages them from such behaviour. I know, I've grown up with it, I went to school with the generation in which it became "okay" to be a teen mother and what that really meant was that more and more girls became less and less careful. I don't know how much more clear I can make this to you: I witnessed the change of thinking in my generation- the change wasn't good and government safety nets encouraged more teen pregancy along with other social breakdowns.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


You can call it that but that is not what it actually is. Please, I emplore you, give examples of the "shared action" you speak so highly of.


What is?


Thes are your problems/shortcomings in this debate:

- You see this as a partisan issue.
- Your opinion on the matter is disproven by facts
- You have offered nothing but catch phrases and appeals to emotion
- You want to be right more than you want the problem fixed.

You, very likely, are the kind of person who allies himself with one party regardless of the issue. I am very liberal when it comes to things like gay marriage, and affirmative action in the work place. This is (at least) one area in which it has been proven government involvment has consistently not worked and is very likely to be a causal source of perpetuating the very problem it was supposed to help remedy. If the best you can do is take words out of context and hope that something sticks then I suggest you go back to the drawing board with your education as you are clearly having problems seperating emotion from analysis.


Perhaps government funding is contributing to the problem.
Having grown up in circumstances when it was an incredible economic burden to be doing so, I speak from experience on this. I saw the difference between my circumstances and later generations of single parent families. And I could, even as an adolescent see how government involvment made matters worse. You can ignore that if you want to as it seems you're ignoring every other indicator there is which proves you're simply wrong on this. Accept this, change your outlook and become a better person.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


That shouldn't be the measure of a developed country as you SHOULD well know. You seem to accept that there's no other way to improve on this other soon other than handing over responsibility to some state department. It's a sick way of thinking and I honestly doubt you care even a lick about this issue or the people but rather just want to convince yourself that all the real world proof proving my point just doesn't exist.


That's the problem! That is THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM! Read this in your outside voice nice and loud: GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND BUREACRATS ARE LESS ACCOUNTABLE IN EVERY SENSE THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN. They don't care about fixing anything. They only want to ensure they keep receiving funding to fix a problem that has grown more of a problem as people have relied less and less on the family unit. The amount of money that goes to these state run departments grows regularly-obviously nothing is getting fixed in western countries, teen pregnancy is now commonplace and you advocate a proven failure as the winning formula? Give your head a shake.


Jingoistic bullsh*t! I have given you real world examples of how that is patently false! This problem gets worse with government involvment, that is a fact.

You don't actually want to learn anything here do you? You don't actually want to turn the issue around and examine it from a perspective other than the one you had from the beginning. You are completely wrong on this and despite not one bit of evidence proving the contrary, you're still trying, like a two-bit lawyer to make a case. You don't have one- greater government involvement messes this up more for society because current governments are by nature, corrupt and wasteful because guess what? They're not really accountable at all.

Let's take teen pregnancy in Canada for example. Funding has increased to support teen pregancy and that's exactly what it's done -there are more and more teen moms every year. Who is held accountable for the losing formula? Ministers aren't fired, social workers aren't fired, co-ordinators don't lose their jobs. On the contrary, there's more and more funding for them! Before you can advocate government involvment, you have to ensure there's accountability in government when government policies don't work but there isn't, one administration gets voted out, no laws are repealed and more people pay for an ever growing establishment that seeks to maintain itself over the interests of the citizen.


Don't be such a twit. I am speaking about one issue here and I've supported my point with real world/current examples.

MANDATING financial responsibility for other people's personal decisions costs the middle class and fails every time. Corporations escape these laws, the wealthy escape these taxes and the number of people claiming financial support GROWS- this is a fact and there's not a god damn thing you can say or write to prove otherwise.


You're right, it is a completely crap analogy and I have no idea why you bothered to carry a flawed analogy further.

Life / Teenage Pregnancy in Poland [108]


You've mistakenly assumed I've done that. I haven't assumed anything except that the Government is completely incapable of managing family affairs in this country.


If you never had sex as a teen then you can cast judgement but for most of us, we simply got lucky in that we didn't become parents in our teens.


Are you trying to express the idea that the difference between a 3rd world and 1st world nation is the need for an alternative to personal accountability? If so, that is complete and utter horsesh*t!

This pathetic tendancy to rely on some agency to take responsiblity for us is rubbish. I say this as someone who grew up in a single parent household in a time when it was not acceptable to do so. I spent time growing up in some housing designated for single parents- it's not a solution and I'm eternally grateful my mother could see where those "solutions" would have led us. Bureacrats end up in the business of trying to obtain more and more funding to "fix" the problem when all they want is to secure their job and maybe make a bit more if their "responsibilities" increase.

When I was growing up, I was the only kid from a single parent family. As I grew up, funding for single parent families increased and guess what? SIngle parent families became and are still becoming more and more common. As government support for teen pregancy "awareness" increased, so did the instances of teen pregnancy and it's still increasing. If you're advocating government involvment, then whether you know it or not, you're advocating for more teen pregnancy.


One can only be expected to treat their family and friends well and be honest with strangers on their way through life. Trying to take care of society is a well intentioned fool's mission that's doomed to make matters worse each and every time. Personal accountability is the long term solution because throwing money at the problem is just going to cost more and more every year. And the people who are employed to take care of the problem will make sure it never goes away so that they always have a job. That is how it is.