News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


You think we're going to allow them to destroy our democracy and Constitution? As if.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Updated list of demonstrations, as of 18:00 on 17/12.

Public demonstrations organised by KOD - Saturday 19 December at 12:00 (local time)

In Poland

£ódź : plac Dąbrowskiego
Poznań - plac Wolności
Kraków - Rynek Główny
Bielsko-Biała - at the memorial REKSIA - on the corner of ul. 1 Listopada / Stojałowskiego
Gdańsk - Długi Targ
Bydgoszcz, Stary Rynek
Torun, Rynek Staromiejski
Elbląg - next to the Cathedral in Starówka
Zamość - Rynek Wielki
Częstochowa - plac Daszyńskiego (at 11:45 rather than 12:00)
Legnica - Plac Słowiański - 12:00
Lublin : Plac Litewski 1
Wrocław - Plac Solny
Ełk - Mickiewicza 15
Katowice : Urząd Wojewódzki in Katowice.
Szczecin : Pomnik Trzech Orłów (Monument to the Three Eagles)
Warsaw: ul. Wiejska - at the Sejm.
Białowieża - corner of Waszkiewicza and Parkowa.
Zielona Góra - outside the town hall (Ratusz) in Stary Rynek.
Koszalin - Rynek Staromiejski.

Abroad

Berlin, Embassy of the Republic of Poland, Lassenstrasse 19-21
Brussels - the Polish Permanent Representation at the EU - Rue Stevin 139/Stevinstraat 139
London : Embassy of the Republic of Poland, 47 Portland Place. 19.12 at 12:00.
Toronto - Consulate of the Republic of Poland - 2603 Lakeshore Blvd West.
Toyko - Embassy of the Republic of Poland in Japan, 2-14-5 Mita, Meguro-ku, Toyko 153-0062 at 15:00 local time.

25 different demonstrations and growing.

KOD is a non-partisan, non-political citizen's movement. We stand against the actions of the current government and President. We are against the abuse of the rule of law and the breaking of the Constitution by PiS and the President.

Everyone - join us at your local demonstration on Saturday! You don't have to be Polish to take part - we welcome everyone regardless of their background, as long as they care about the future of this country.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


One would argue that the way that PiS have placed many ex-PZPR men and women into high positions is very much the sign of destroying society.

These people are valued for their blind obedience, not their knowledge.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


It's remarkable that the huge march in Warsaw passed off very very peacefully without problems. Meanwhile, the march on the 10th of December saw bitter PiS voters attack a journalist.

Anyway, Radom is also apparently trying to organise something. News when I get it...

Koszalin - Rynek Staromiejski.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


But they don't have a mandate to abuse the Constitution, ignore the law and insult the vast majority of Poles.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

I think most of us understand democracy just fine, and we're defending it against the attacks of a party that only got 18% of the vote.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


If they weren't bothered, the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczyński wouldn't have abused and insulted the 82% of adult Poles that didn't vote for them.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Yes, it seems that Kaczyński completely failed to acknowledge that people were capable of organising without the help of political parties.

Anyway, another demonstration abroad to add to the list :

Toyko - Embassy of the Republic of Poland in Japan, 2-14-5 Mita, Meguro-ku, Toyko 153-0062 at 15:00 local time.

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Calling people "trash" and "traitors" is exactly the kind of thing that's coming out of PIS at the minute. What kind of person goes around calling Polish people those kind of names?

Worth pointing out that the PZPR also called political opponents all sorts of names, including comparing them to Germans.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


It's exactly these constant insults - "traitors", "Gestapo" and so on - that are helping put so many people on the streets.

People have a choice - they can sit back and watch as PiS destroy this country by ignoring the Constitution, the law and by changing the civil service law so they can appoint endless cronies to senior positions - or we can take to the streets and show them that we won't accept it.

update : Not confirmed, but Tarnów is apparently joining us on Saturday.

Add another to the list :

Zielona Góra - outside the town hall (Ratusz) in Stary Rynek.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Anyone that wonders why there are demonstrations all over Poland and abroad on Saturday should look at the posts above. The attempts to insult, berate and put down KOD show exactly what we're fighting for - our free and democratic Poland.


The camera doesn't lie.

These demonstrations are growing in number, and we will keep at it until PiS learn the basic rules of law and democracy, neither of which they respect.

Toronto - Consulate of the Republic of Poland - 2603 Lakeshore Blvd West.

Join us. Everyone is welcome.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

What matters is the fact that at the last count, there are over 20 separate demonstrations on Saturday. That matters.

Latest information : Kielce will also hold a demonstration, although the location is waiting to be confirmed.

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They're not leading the march. KOD welcomes everyone regardless of their political affiliation. The fact that they choose to attend as private citizens is their choice, but the people behind this are the people of Poland.

I smell fear, though.

As for the "paid money to attend", it's the usual smear employed by the right wingers. We don't talk about how PiS pays for buses from villages to attend their marches :D

News / Reactions of Poles to Negative Publicity from the Foreign Press [56]

Except this is a genuine citizens movement, not something organised from the top-down like the average highly controlled and stage mangaged PiS demonstration.


Not really. This is just a typical overreaction from a populist government that can't stand the fact that CNN journalists aren't afraid of them. They can harass and insult journalists in Poland, but they can't touch foreign ones.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Who cares about Polonius and his little bubble? What matters is the latest state of play with these demonstrations :

Public demonstrations organised by KOD - Saturday 19 December at 12:00

In Poland

£ódź : plac Dąbrowskiego
Poznań - plac Wolności
Kraków - Rynek Główny
Bielsko-Biała - at the memorial REKSIA - on the corner of ul. 1 Listopada / Stojałowskiego
Gdańsk - Długi Targ
Bydgoszcz, Stary Rynek
Torun, Rynek Staromiejski
Elbląg - next to the Cathedral in Starówka
Zamość - Rynek Wielki
Częstochowa - plac Daszyńskiego (at 11:45 rather than 12:00)
Legnica - Plac Słowiański - 12:00
Lublin : Plac Litewski 1
Wrocław - Plac Solny
Ełk - Mickiewicza 15
Katowice : Urząd Wojewódzki in Katowice.
Szczecin : Pomnik Trzech Orłów (Monument to the Three Eagles)
Warszawa : ul. Wiejska - at the Sejm.
Białowieża - corner of Waszkiewicza and Parkowa.

Abroad

Berlin, Embassy of the Republic of Poland, Lassenstrasse 19-21
Brussels - at the Polish Permanent Representation at the EU - Rue Stevin 139/Stevinstraat 139
London : Embassy of the Republic of Poland, 47 Portland Place. 19.12 at 12:00.

I urge absolutely everyone that cares about Poland to attend one of these demonstrations if you can. These demonstrations are about urging the President and government to stop treating the Constitution like a piece of trash and to behave in accordance with the law.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

A new day, new protests to add to the list.

Bydgoszcz, Stary Rynek
Torun, Rynek Staromiejski.
Berlin, Embassy of the Republic of Poland, Lassenstrasse 19-21

All on Saturday 19.12 at 12:00.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Some more to add on Saturday 19.12.2015 :

Brussels - at the Polish Permanent Representation at the EU - Rue Stevin 139/Stevinstraat 139 (same address, just in French and Dutch) - 12:00 - facebook.com/events/1688925451320912/

Częstochowa - plac Daszyńskiego (at 11:45 rather than 12:00)
Legnica - Plac Słowiański - 12:00

No news yet about Berlin, but the organisational meeting is tonight.

Final update for tonight : all demonstrations at 12.00 on Saturday 19th December

Elbląg - next to the Cathedral in Starówka
Zamość - Rynek Wielki

I have some information that Głogów (dolnośląskie) and Bydgoszcz will also host demonstrations, but nothing confirmed.

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News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

And just because either Greggy, Ironside or Polonius will be along soon to say something about the lack of protests abroad :

London : Embassy of the Republic of Poland, 47 Portland Place. 19.12 at 12:00.

I've been told that there will be demonstrations in Brussels and in Berlin too, but nothing official yet.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]


Got it. Again - Saturday 19.12 at 12:00.

Lublin : Plac Litewski 1 - facebook.com/events/767658846701005/
Still waiting on the Toruń confirmation.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

Good. There will definitely be one in Toruń as well, but it hasn't been officially confirmed yet.

I hope places such as Zielona Góra will join us, too.

News / Demonstrations in Poland in defence of democracy. [2554]

As the other thread is locked, so far (as officially announced), there will be demonstrations in the following locations, all on 19.12 at 12.00.

£ódź : plac Dąbrowskiego
Poznań - plac Wolności
Kraków - Rynek Główny
Bielsko-Biała - at the memorial REKSIA - on the corner of ul. 1 Listopada / Stojałowskiego
Gdańsk - Długi Targ
Wrocław - either plac Wolności or plac Nowy Targ - facebook.com/events/933053126771378/

And of course, the biggest and most important :

Warszawa : ul. Wiejska - at the Sejm.

All of these protests are organised by the independent and non-partisan Committee for the Defence of Democracy (KOD).

More news as I get it. I expect information about Toruń, Katowice and abroad to be confirmed soon.

More protests, again 19.12 at 12.00

Katowice : Urząd Wojewódzki in Katowice.
Szczecin : Pomnik Trzech Orłów (Monument to the Three Eagles) :
facebook.com/events/946203608761062/

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Not only banks, but their investors. When you consider that PKO and PZU (who will both get absolutely hammered by this tax) are owned by the government and institutional investors such as pension funds, it means the "ordinary man in the street" is taking a double hit through increased charges and lower returns.

Furthermore, if PZU and PKO have less money, then it means less money for them to buy up the competition in Poland and abroad.


Indeed, and it was pointed out repeatedly that women are going to suffer immensely if they're subjected to forced retirement at 60.

Blimey. I've got a small investment in a fund that invests 55-60% in the WIG20, 30% in government bonds and 10% in the WIBID 6M, and since I opened it a few years ago, it was always positive. Not a huge amount, but overall, it was around 4-5% a year. Just checked, and it's lost around 7% since the election.

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"your" ;)


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