Real Estate / Poland's flat rental agents and the anger they brew in me.... [60]

I remember looking for office space last year and the complete dumps that real estate agents took me to. The worst one actually asked us to come pick her up and my wife agreed because, well, she's Polish and accepts such idiotic practices without question. I couldn't believe how much disrepair, inaccessibility and randomness there was at the locations we were taken to see.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


It's not an argument, it's a fact and how you can try to debate that is puzzling.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

That's what I'm getting at.
If Poland is booming (and to be fair the points for it are there) then what's the problem?
Is it fair to say "Poland is booming?" Maybe it shouldn't be an all or nothing statement to begin with?

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Okay, I got what you're saying. If that is the case then it looks like you've made a pretty good case.
So how do we rectify that perspective with what gdyniaguy commented on?
Both your observations or interpretations seem very valid but juxtaposed from eachother (in my mind) and I'm having trouble rationalizing both ideas (the cost of living getting out of hand and the notion that the country is booming).

Help anyone?

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Thanks for taking the time to write that up- it is well written.
It's not just WB's imagination then?
This is an issue people should be addressing imo.


Another good response.
What do you mean by "Britain still got paid?" Which people got paid
Who is "Britain?"
Does whoever "Poland" is have the same deal as whoever "Britain" is/was?

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


Oh come on now, everyone is being a snarky cnut on this thread.
I'm not going to argue interpretation over what value he holds in personal experience but I am a bit surprised no one has responded to this (I wrote something similar in another thread):


I think it's a fair observation and it should encourage us to ask if that is really "booming" and how long it'll last. Interpret that how you will.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]

^
Under that logic, no one could call into question anyone's opinion on a place unless they lived there.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


I do. It doesn't matter what you say. You choose to live elsewhere.
Does WB live in Poland? I was under the impression he returned to his homeland.

UK, Ireland / "If it's not Polish, it's shite" - What is great about Polish Beer in UK? [78]


true but I didn't write that.


Exactly.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


pot meet kettle.

News / Poland's Economy Is Booming! The EU's Success Story? [711]


why only 2?

Real Estate / Foreign investor, properties in Poland, walk away from mortgages? [209]


I cannot remember a time when I have read so much truth on such a complex matter in so few words.
This is one of the best posts on this forum I have read.

Life / Health system in Poland one of the worst in Europe: report [78]


Thank you Cpt. Obvious.
Now I will challenge you for that rank and say it's not a question of having down sides but how those are addressed and a question of how timely those reactions are. In Poland, it seems that shortcomings are not addressed. They are stated and acknowledged but then excuses are made, fingers are pointed and then no one's accountable and then things go on being shite year after year.

Peace.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


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News / Will EURO 2012 be a proud moment for Poland and its people or set back Poland 20 years? [86]

To answer the OP's original question, barring any major catastrophic event? Neither.
It will likely be JUST a sporting event and bring in revenue over a short period of time which will hopefully offset the public investment. I think people really need to take it easy with the hyperbole.

Life / Health system in Poland one of the worst in Europe: report [78]

People, we can all post anecdotal evidence based on experience here. But it doesn't "prove" anything to other people who have experienced the opposite. I think we should avoid getting into contests with our comparisons of loss or hardship- I think it cheapens the experience to a degree. What we should be looking at are facts and how those facts are gathered (the process is even more important than the conclusions in my opinion).

Life / Health system in Poland one of the worst in Europe: report [78]

patient access to information is a BIG one. I don't think I could have a lower opinion of this system than I already do. Like most of the problems here it comes down to corruption- where the heck does all the money go? Why is it that when millions of pln are wasted, the worst that happens is someone is fired. The degree to which people are affected by mismanagement must be considered and criminal prosecution must be a recourse when someone fails the taxpayers so completely.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


It really isn't (at least in my case), but keep writing it enough and I'm sure people will repeat it with the same conviction.

Imagine if everyone started buying up a limited resource. What would that do to the market? I see this market different than I would home electronics, it's somehow more basic but no, I'm not prepared to quantify that. It's a gut feeling and if I find something that makes me change my mind then I will. But a big problem is that someone else will horde property if you don't and for many that's reason enough to do it.

If you don't think like me then fine, I'm not telling you to. However I really would advise against it, most of what I've heard is that the headache isn't worth the eventual financial gains.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

In what sense pip?
Are you asking me to design an entire economic mechanism/system in which greed of the individual instead of the majority isn't rewarded?
It takes many people with many viewpoints being honest with one another to entertain doing such a thing.

I think, in many ways, our system is fine (capitalism and democracy) but there is a definite lack of accountability when it comes to our leadership. When the leadership is corrupt then the populace is going to suffer. This leads to shortcomings in society; shortcomings become compounded over time. Examples are all around you.

Some things just shouldn't be tolerated but are. Why?
Maybe one reason is because some people see other people's vulnerability as a means to their own security.
How is it tolerated? As I have observed, it's from the ugly side of capitalism. People know they can take advantage of others if they are financially "bigger" or "more talented."

It's very much like the strongest preying on the weakest. I'm not talking about people growing fruit and charging money for it or someone building a table and selling it or someone cutting peoples hair for money. I'm talking about hording and creating scarcity as a means towards leverage.

Anyhow this off topic (i think) and will get sent to the rubbish bin in short order.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]

^If it's any consolation, I totally got your joke from the beginning. I thought it was pretty witty. I think it missed a few people.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


Dude, I totally am interested in your opinions on the system. Wait, do you mean the real estated system in Poland or in a capitalist market or your opinions on capitalism. I won't be hurt if you're opinions don't match mine, I've read your posts before and don't regret it so what the heck, let's hear it.


A world in which I read your post and responded to the words you wrote. You wrote that money exchanged hands willingly and as a result that is hardly exploitation. Maybe renting out to make a profit isn't exploitation of a limited and basic resource but the fact that money exchanges hands isn't justification imo. If you don't agree then boo hoo for me. If you want to make a point of arguing your viewpoint then I'd like to make some sense of it but simply saying people pay so it's okay doesn't convince me. Sorry you don't like this.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

pip
What do you mean by "exploit?"


Maybe this is just as much a reflection of your own thinking, perhaps more so? Some people certainly operate that way (sadly) but there's no reason to assume no one thinks differently.


Do you really think it only comes down to jealousy (or envy)? You're in the real estate business in some form or another, aren't you? If so, wouldn't that create a bit of an information vs. perspective bias? Dismissing it as mere envy seems like an excuse not to give the whole system and how we operate within it any fair criticism (imo).


So what? That is not validation for anything.
That argument could be used for human trafficking, corruption, theft, etc, etc, basically any human related activity; it is about as explanatory as saying "it is what it is."

I think I saw an advert/request for accommodation in Warsaw. It would be interesting to track that person's experiences with renting in Warsaw, it may provide some insight into whether the imminent bust is upon the market....or not.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


Am I misreading you in that the essence of this post suggests that as long as money exchanges hands then exploitation isn't happening?

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

To be fair, one doesn't have to replace your idea with another one but simply cast enough doubt on it being the sole explanation. There may be different columns and periods that we could draw from to piece together how the current market came into being.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


If that's where your imagination leads you then that's your business, not mine- keep me out of it.


yeah mostly that is true...to judge is merely to decide on how to think about something, it's a rather essential process in this life. Maybe you meant to say people like to judge others negatively, I don't know and can only comment on what you did write.

But yeah, I think you're right- I've got the capitalist blues. Lately I've been getting down about a system that so effectively rewards greed and competition over cooperation:(

It seems all it takes is one person to screw things up by thinking "just a little more for me" and then the domino effect begins:(

Maybe it's just people's greed that gets me down.

What this does tell me about this thread is that people DO see flats and property as investments in parts of Poland and demand DOES seem to be at least holding in much of Poland. This also indicates that what happened in parts of Europe and North America may also happen in the future, i.e. a market with increasing speculation seems like a market more likely to crash at some point.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


What have I written which is untrue?


No.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


Thank you.
I already wrote her that I wouldn't respond to her as she's not really thinking. In this case she isn't taking into account that I haven't spoken out in the least against those who actually CONSTRUCT homes for people to live in. But that didn't stop her from imagining that argument on my behalf, did it?

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]

pip why do you keep writing the same arguments that I have already dealt with?
If you simply wrote that you're investing in property for your children to live in then I'd have acquiesced by now.

Services and inelastic necessities aren't comparable don't waste your time with such comparisons because they're inaccurate.
Making more money through your own efforts is commendable until you drift into the area of exploitation, why pretend I've written otherwise? Imo, buying residential property which you don't need in a place where there is shortage of it, is exploitation. I'm open to changing my mind but you've got to actually come up with something of substance for me to do that.

That being stated, I shouldn't have called you dumb, I'm sorry. I simply got frustrated at your rantings. I'm sorry I wrote "your god damn family" I could have asked you to simply leave your family out of it as I never mentioned them in the first place- although I'm sure they're lovely.

BTW
True communism would see a system in which the need for government becomes redundant, so true communism has yet to make an appearance as a ruling system of any country. Don't write it like it's a bad thing, it's a great thing as long as there are people honest enough to see it through.

Study / Is it really worth moving back to Poland to study in a pharmacy school? [44]

Last 2 posts have been really good. I think I'm back on the fence on this one. Really good info though.

Real Estate / Poland's apartment prices continue to fall [1844]


I never wrote a god damn thing about your god damn family so keep them out of this and stop trying to use them as a shield. It's pathetic and so are your responses.


You probably think you're actually on to something, don't you?
You're not.
I provide a service. People compare what I provide to others and decide if the price charged equates to value received. There is an ample supply, the market is quite saturated. A piece of property in a place where property is getting in short supply is not the same. It's a good investment and you're probably not interested in it because you're worried about the condition students are forced to live in, are you? I'm not saying that you're a bad apple. I just detest this tendency people have to buy things, essential things, things they haven't helped to make and then take advantage of other people's need for them. Don't confuse essential with non-essential. Don't confuse elastic and inelastic. You're doing that and it says you're either not good at thinking or you're only going to think as far as it'll feed your ego.


I am calm. I am not standing. I am not telling others to live. I am telling you you're bad at reading comprehension and there's not one thing you've written that has amounted to more than:

- other people do it too so it's okay
- other people do worse things so what i'm doing is okay
- it's legal so it's okay.

I don't care where you shop or what kind of clothing you wear, in fact, I can't think of anything less interesting at this point in time. I don't have an opinion about your family and wish you'd keep them out of this.

Edit


unless you're buying a property you don't need.


So, it shows you do buy more than you need. Did you really need that explained?


No that is not the logic being used.
Never mind pip, you're either too dumb to figure this out or just too unwilling.
Have a nice day.