Travel / Polish or British passport (child traveling to Poland) [51]

You don't need a passport believe it or not. A birth certificate is enough to travel.

Once the child is in Poland you will then have a big problem. If you are lucky you will get to court after about two months and if you are one of the few that wins like my partner, there is still no guarantee the child will be returned. The process will take approx 6 months. If you want to make your position as safe as possible speak to Reunite or look up Dorota Beange.

Poland is dangerous. We are still fighting two and a half years later and our position is still unsure. It took six and a half months to get my partners daughter back.

If you further information, PM me, I'm happy to provide information so you can protect your child.

Travel / Polish or British passport (child traveling to Poland) [51]

Be warned that until Poland wakes up and realizes it's 2012 and stands by treaties it has signed, namely The Hague Convention for Abducted and Illegally Retained Children and Brussels II, it would be foolish to consider a Polish passport. A British passport won't help massively, if the proverbial hits the fan, but you will have a better chance.

Understand you are an alien and the child would be considered Polish even if it has not put a foot on Polish soil. If you understand this, you will see the danger you could put yourself and your child in.

The Polish courts have a very poor record too date.

There are organizations you should consider contacting before you make what could be the worst decision of your child's life.
reunite.org for one. Remember "Never say Never" It could happen to you.

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Genealogy / changing a polish childs surname. [8]

dude

I'm 150K down because my partner assured me her husband was safe. I live in England with my partner and her two children.

You need proper advice. Do what I said and make sure you do everything possible to ensure the child is secure in the UK. People do stupid things when they get jealous over a former partners new partner.

What we see as correct in the UK and the majority of the world agrees with, Poland does not. The Polish courts despise it citizens that have left and if the child sets foot in Poland you are endangering not only the child's well being but your pockets too without the proper protection. Poland is a paranoid country that believes other countries are trying to steal its blond blue eyed children.

You may think this is scare mongering but dude, if it goes wrong, you'll wish you had done something.

My partners example:

6th Jan 2011 her 4 and 6yr old child were abducted in Poland by her ex.
They were drugged, had headphones and builders dust masks secured to there heads/faces.
3 days after the abduction the Police decided to do something
When they found them and found out her partner was an ex policeman they turned against my partner
The older child was recovered after a few days
The younger after 6 months through the Hague convention

Now the half wit polish courts want to give him the children for xmas to the same place he committed the act nearly 2 years ago.

They have even advised him he has the right to retain the children again as he still has parental authority.
What happens if he does it again? What happens if he kills them?

Poland is a hell hole when it comes to children. They have no bloody idea. It's not like England where we protect first and sort the parents out later. The parents are more important especially if they are domicile in Poland.

There are organizations that are trying to get things changed in Poland, but it takes years, because it always someone else's problem.

Believe me, what I say is true!

Genealogy / changing a polish childs surname. [8]

Danger Danger

No No and No if you live in the UK. I guess it would be the same elsewhere.

You are entering a whole world of sh*t with this. Get some proper advice before you do anything. Speak to reunite.org. Understand that Poland is not the UK and National Identity, politics, etc come before any consideration for child welfare. Believe me, you will be considered a cash cow by the paternal father and the courts in Poland.

Believe me, if you don't do things properly, your pockets will empty faster than you thought was ever possible and you will enter a world of misery that you thought was reserved for the wrong doers of this world. The Polish family courts are pure evil.

You have been warned.

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Good Old Nigel enlightening Donald

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Don't be ridiculous. The child will speak in the language he/she uses most. I would seriously doubt its the choice of the parent. It's just reality.

And be honest, what have they got to go back too?

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And English anglers pay a license fee also. £27.00 I believe. Our money goes back into fishing mostly. Where does the Polish license fee go?

Fishing is considered a sport in England and to sustain the fish stocks we don't as a general rule eat them. We would prefer some fish to catch. Mostly they don't agree with the English palette. I believe the last time freshwater silver fish were seen for sale in a fishmongers in England was way back in the 80's. I'm sure if you tip buckets of salt in with them they taste just fine (of salt), but we don't do salt like you do in Poland.

UK, Ireland / Hyperthetical question about publicising information about a Polish citizen in the UK [8]


But does something published in the UK come under Polish Law. For example if the good old "Sun" printed a photo of him would they incur the wrath of the Polish legal system? It's interesting.

Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]


I think your wrong there really. The courts are not interested in the children really, they prefer the show the parents put on for the 1-3 years it takes to sort it out. meanwhile whoever has the kids is in pole position so look on out, the other parent might abduct them. Wait you can't do that in Poland, theres no law to protect the kids. Anything goes in the fight for the kids. Woe betide you if you are a foreign parent though, the scales a heavily weighted against you and the same applies if you are a polish defector female or male.

As for Polishmama, shes a Polish womens libber and like the rest of Poland, 20 years behind the times. She still believes men owe her a living and not that she should stand on her own two feet. Ignore her, it's boring. We heard it all a lifetime ago.


You are wrong here also. For some years the English and Welsh courts have been swinging toward the opposite of what you claim. Ok it's slowly, but it's happening. Our family courts are respected around the world and held in very high regard especially in international law. Note that the Polish courts do the opposite to English/Welsh courts and will protect a parents rights above the safety of a child. For example a English court will make orders to protect a child if there is a hint of risk, and sort it out later. A polish court will do nothing to protect the child and allow the status quo to continue until a decision is made in court as to who will have full parental responsibility. So a child in Poland can expect to beaten, for instance, for the next 1.5 years.

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Its a shame on Poland that the courts don't support these women. I have heard of a solicitor who went to court 3 or 4 times to get a restraining order and on the last occasion her partner murdered her. The judge said she should have made a better case.

Unless there is a substantial change in thinking in Poland's courts it's not going to help a great deal. I've also have first hand experience of how the Police deal with this kind of thing in Poland and mostly they don't. Too much paperwork for them.

Law / Legal Question-child support Poland [5]

Yes but then he's a foreigner Harry. Different ball game judging by the parking tickets I get in private car parks :-)

If I was you I'd check very thoroughly

UK, Ireland / And you wonder why there is Anti-Polish feeling in the UK [187]


Please do. It would be really interesting. Meanwhile take a brief look at a few Polish murders in the UK and check which nationality was killed by whom. You will see Polish man kills Polish man seems to recur.


It proves the opposite of what I said initially which I clearly remarked. Having a little experience of the Polish court system and opinion of people in Poland regarding those that have left for "Greener Pastures", I have felt there is an issue for both courts and citizens. The write up clearly shows Poland's contempt for its citizens abroad. Could it have something to do with the Eastern Block defector mentality?

It's an interesting story all the same.


Sorry I forgot Poland is above the law and can abuse a child's rights. Try reading "The European rights of the Child", you may understand then. It was wrong for the child to be identified at all. Amongst the minimal facts released by the Norwegians, was the fact that Nikola was not fed for several days. Now if the parents could not afford to feed the child, how could they afford to pay RAMBO? How much would an operation like this cost. A minimum of 25000 Zlt at a guess. Puzzie, question what you read a little more, and the truth will reveal itself. This is a fantastical story, tailor made for the media. Guess who paid for it? I think I can.

Look at the mess RAMBO caused with the baby that was supposedly abducted but was later found dead. The outcome of this would likely have been very different had he not made into a media circus. Hell the woman wants to go to England now to escape her persecutors. No thanks.

But you are a Pole and perfect and by definition Poland must then then be perfect . You are the superior race and nothing you do is wrong and you can learn nothing from anyone else. Wakey, wakey it's only a dream. The growing pains will pass.

I'm not your BUDDY by the way. That infers I am your friend. An Obamma moment perhaps? I am an Angol and you a Pole. We are not so far apart in reality, I'm just a little more open minded so there is a possibility we could become buddies.


By this I mean it has been used over and over again and fails to raise the emotion it once did.

So I'm a racist for pointing out your shortcomings and narrow mindedness. I would have thought you would have checked me out a little and found I'm attached with a really great Polish girl and happily support her two blue eyed blond children which I helped rescue from the clutches of a sick Polish father and the Polish State that failed to protect them in their hour of need. Poland, sir, has a lot to learn about Western thinking when it comes to child protection. Currently you are just not acceptable.

UK, Ireland / And you wonder why there is Anti-Polish feeling in the UK [187]

I think the statistics have published on here on numerous occasions and manipulated toward either argument. You are wrong, for a minority the Polish commit a gratuitous amount of crime and also I think you are missing the point.

Its a pointless forum to discuss such things as a collective, we (the English) cannot accept such behavior committed by a foreigner, and Johnny Foreigner will never condemn his brethren for such acts, but cast aspersions about racism. The racism card is almost worn out in the UK.


Yes and it's not acceptable but really not surprising that the uneducated few bear a grudge.

UK, Ireland / And you wonder why there is Anti-Polish feeling in the UK [187]


Grateful it's not worse. Really the expectation should be zero.

How Poles in the UK can feel singled out, I really don't understand. If the crime was committed by a Pole, why should it not be reported as such. It is a sad fact that some particularly heinous crimes have been committed by Poles. Unfortunately for the well behaved these people taint opinion of Poles in general. Fact. Personally I am yet to meet a Pole that hasn't committed or isn't committing a crime in the UK. Of course most crimes are so petty that most wouldn't even consider what they are doing is a crime and English people would do the same possibly without realizing they are.

In stark contrast the Polish media can be quite venomous in their attacks on other nations. I followed the Nikola - Norway case closely and was surprised to hear "Norway trying to steal blond blue eyed children " reported in the press. I believe the comment was made by a government official. What were they trying to say about Norway? Norway were in fact trying to protect an abused child that, of course, Poland could not because its loyalties lie with parents no matter how bad they are.

It appears the Poles are not forward thinking and would prefer to huddle together and protect their own no matter how poor a human being they are protecting.


Obamma was correct in using the words he did, it was the poor Polish interpretation of those words that was the problem. Quite frankly it was the Poles making it up with their interpretation. Smacks of paranoia to me. Why so paranoid?

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Wow it looks so much better on film than in reality and even better in the dark.

The only place I haven't been there is the football stadium I think. There is much more to see than than in that excellent clip though!

UK, Ireland / Renewing passports for children? We are back in the UK. [17]


Yes and you will pat yourself on the back in the future should the relationship go pear shaped. A Polish passport = Double Trouble.

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It's unlikely as the courts are mostly very amateur in operation and most judges appear to have no comcept of international law and can't uphold Polands own law because a lot of it is bull pooh. Geez they even treat there own citizens that live in other countries like defectors from the past. Eastern block it was. Eastern block it still is.

I have a document in front of me where a Polish judge refers to the Euorpean Rights of a Child as the New York Rights of a Child. Guppi Cretin.

News / Polish baby boom, but not in Poland [40]


You know people have eyes. Check out the car washes and such like.


Wow thats a lot of babies and a lot of trouble in the pipeline with International divorce and child abduction.

I wonder why so many of them make a Polish passport a first stop. Surely it would be more sensible to get a UK passport for these children for the benefits it gives them and pick up a Polish one later in the unlikely event thay might need one.

Love / Polish men calling polish girl for dating englishman [80]


Yes Natasia makes the sun shine on a rainy day.

News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]


You are really funny :) :) You might want to edit that post.

When people feel so uncomforatable they have to cross the road if they see a policemen coming toward them, it says a lot about the country you are in.

If Poland ever moves into the 21st century, changes it laws, and gives its people and in particular women a voice, then you will see crime figures like the UK's because people will be able to report violent crime, racism and rape. Until then the crap will continue to be swept under the carpet.

Poland has a police force to be truly ashamed of.

Love / Polish men calling polish girl for dating englishman [80]


Funny that, I've experienced it first hand by several half witted, uneducated Polish males. Swift retribution sorts the buggers out.

UK, Ireland / Sooo many Polski Sklep in the UK, LOL [64]


Are you sure about this? I have seen with my own eyes these shops selling cigarettes wrapped in newspaper furtively drawn from the stock room at the rear. It seems to be very good business. £37 for 200 LM Blue last time I looked.

Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]


From my experience of court procedures in Poland it's as if it is embedded in Polish Law. You can lie endlessly in court, and even when your found out, you can continue the lie after lie approach. In a UK court when found out you would be torn to shreds by a barrister and humiliated, in "contempt" of court and pretty much finished from that point onwards as nobody could believe any further evidence. Of course it doesn't stop people. It's a natural defence but in Poland it reaches levels above and beyond our comphrension here.

Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]


Really. I think if we were regular we wouldn't be posting here :) We wouldn't need too.

As far as mother in laws go, I'm a man, so I deal with them in a fair but firm manner. I wouldn't allow that kind of wedge to get a grip on my relationship now or before.

I'm sure you love your kids dearly as do most men. Sometimes women forget this. It's a fact.

I personally am not taking sides. I can't as there is not enough information and secondly one should not take sides with the adults but with the children, which is exactly why my children and your children belong to "The State" and not to us. Should either of us fail in our commitment to our children then it is for "The State" to decide what the best course of action is regarding our children. Of course this is a worst case scenario as we are adults and we should be able to organise are childrens futures between us. In Anglik1's case there has been an inability for two parents to find a solution to a childs future and there is an added complication of one partner wishing to leave the UK. Nobody thinks about the consequences of what might happen if a relationship should break down and unfortunately even fewer realise they are committing a criminal offense by moving a child from the country of its habitual residence to, possibly the country of the birth mother or father.

This happens all the time and thank goodness we have devices like the Hague to bring parents back to the table or courtroom to resolve these problems. Heres a recent report on a similar situation.

.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17517657

Peace woman Peace

Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]


No, and I don't know his partner.

The guy asked a simple question about preventing child abduction to Poland and he is attacked by feminists, spouting claptrap, casting aspurtions, and trying to find out information that has no bearing on the question asked. How did he know he was entering the lions den of social pariahs and sick people with a chip on their shoulder.

Both you and f-stop would make good judges in Poland.

I'm not answering any questions for Anglik, I am just commenting on your, f-stops and polishmommas dubious behaviour toward him. Why don't you just answer his original question, if you can? I doubt you could as you seem to be completely blinkered to the reality of life, or you are taking the Polish stance and as it doesn't affect you directly, why should you help.

I tried to explain a situation similar to Angliks and anyone else in a parental abduction case in an earlier post. I tried to show it from a womens perspective so perhaps you and f-stop would maybe understand better how heart wrenching parental abduction can be. And thats only for the parents. What about the children?

As for jealous mother in laws, I have personal experience of one of them. Mine told her daughter that her father was dying and she wouldn't let her see him unless she left me. She missed her ironing slave so badly. The mother in law lost that one badly, it still didn't stop her for the next 17 years and funnily enough the father in law is still fighting fit. See, some women are real evil bi*****.

Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]


Because, damn it they just do it for a reason that is beyond reasonable thought. Who knows what goes through peoples minds sometimes. Who knows who gets into peoples minds sometimes. Jealous mothers often have a lot to answer for.

Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]


Again and again you lose your credibility.


Where does changing your name come into it? Hopping back to the mother land is as simple as getting on a plane. It's hardly starting fresh is it? Family and friends to look after your interests and support your lies and deciet. You know lieing is quite popular in Poland.

Obviously you have never enjoyed a good dose of reality in your life!

I guess you think the scenario I described earlier was mine. No, it was one that I drew from the 100+ reported cases from the UK each year that involve Polish citizens. Don't tarnish me with your lies and feminist propoganda.

Maybe your the sort that would run because it suited you?

Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]


There you go again casting aspurtions. Try reading thoroughly and being a little more mature and you won't make so many errors.

You quite obviously have little experience of real life and what dumb ass things people do. Most people are unable to accept that what they thought was a perfect relationship is fatally flawed and do things in revenge or in fear, some attention seeking, and sadly some are just plain nasty. Thats the real world.

Unfortunately women are far better at being nasty, just like yourself, than men. A women can continue her vitriolic behaviour toward another person for life, men generally get bored after a very short period of time.

Play nicely children