What do Poles owe to Russians?

I knew there were many Bolshevik Jews in the ranks and they compromised huge percentage of authorities. But anyway interesting list I only knew a few of those from past reading.


Hes actually right in this case putting aside any hate (seriously).


He was 1/4 Jewish im not sure what the smaller groups of people he mentioned though.

Yeah I am sure Lenin was not Racist. Even though Lenin said similar things about Russians as hitler did.

Yeah I am being racist. It is not like Slavs / Russians faced a massive genocide due to Racist with Anti Slavic sentiment like Lenin, Hitler ect

Ilyich always valued the Jews highly'. ... Anna's claim explains, for instance, why Lenin frequently recommended giving foreigners, especially Jews, intellectually demanding tasks, and leaving the elementary work to the 'Russian fools'..

"{p. 112} He {Lenin} might have been thinking of Parvus (or perhaps himself?) when he said to Gorky: 'the clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him.'"

Plenty of Poles have Jewish blood, too. Centuries of intermixing would tend to do that to a race.

can we have the discussion wit out being called racist he is stating facts. Poland UB after ww2 was run by Russian and Polish Jews not all of them were Jews but the high ranking officers were exclusively Jews.

the problem this days is if state a fact or your opinion and it is against Jews you are automatically being called racist or anti-Semite and Holocaust denier.

Correct. In earlier times though Jews kept to themselves because people disliked them.


Or nazis :|

This "dislike" only really came about during the wave of nationalism that swept Europe in the 1920's/1930's. Before that? Nothing.

Poland should rightfully be proud of the way that her people were incredibly tolerant towards others up until the 1920's - and even today, when Poland still has a relatively open door for many other cultures to come.

o yes that must be why when the warsaw riots started the russains stood outside the city and waited even though they had promised reinforcements and we should thank them for katlyn u no when the russain secert police took 20'000 poles and shot them into mass graves o we poles really must thank those ******* putrid dogs the only good russian is a dead one

You mean Warsaw Uprising.
In 1794 they didn't wait but murdered in cold blood some 20 000 Polish civilians in the Praga district, before completing the destruction of Polish state. Very likeable people.

Most probably, but we can`t be sure about it.


There was a great purge before the war. About 100.000 Poles in the USSR were murdered by NKVD.
The Genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union often referred to as, the Polish operation of the NKVD,[1][2][3] was a coordinated action of the Soviet NKVD and the Communist Party in 1937-1938 against the entire Polish minority living in the Soviet Union, representing only 0.4 percent of Soviet citizens. It was the largest ethnic shooting and deportation action during the Great Terror,[4] done according to the NKVD Order № 00485 entitled "On the liquidation of the Polish diversionist and espionage groups and POW units."[5]

The agents of the Soviet state-police gathered Polish-sounding names from local telephone books in order to speed up the process. In Leningrad alone, almost 7,000 citizens were rounded up. A vast majority of them were executed within 10 days of arrest.[6] In the next fourteen months 143,810 people of Polish background were captured, of whom 139,885 were sentenced by extrajudical organs, and 111,091 murdered (nearly 80% of all victims).[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_operation_of_the_NKVD


Well, that is nothing unusual. Bigger fish eat smaller fish. Poles tried to do the same to Russians (Times of Trouble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605%E2%80%9318) but the latter turned out to be not only more numerous but, primarily, more persevering, that is why it was Russia which prevailed over Poland in the end. If Poles were as relentless as Chechens, Russians would have never been able to set their foot on Polish ground, and even if they had, they would have remained on that soil, dead. All of them.

All in all, it was a fair fight and Poles lost due to their own faults and mistakes.


Wow, thanks for info.


Sorry. American born Pole isn`t the same as Poland born Pole. Isn`t it obvious?


Not strange, just alien. :):):):)


It was an unjustified revenge. Russian propaganda accused Poles of massacring Russian soldiers during the beginning of Kosciuszko Rising:
In the 19th century the Uprising of 1794 was presented in a bad light in Imperial Russian historiography, as the fights in Warsaw were referred to as a "massacre" of unarmed Russian soldiers by the Warsaw's mob.[25] Russian historian Platon Zhukovich marked his relation of the events with many horrific, yet counter-factual descriptions of unarmed Russian soldiers being slaughtered in an Orthodox church during the Eucharist, even though there was no Orthodox church in Warsaw at that time,[26] the participation of Kiliński's militia was seriously overrated and no other source confirms the thesis that the Russian garrison was unarmed. The defeat in this battle is sometimes seen as one of the reasons for the massacre of Praga, in which the Russian forces murdered between 10,000 and 20,000 civilians[27] of Warsaw upon their reconquest of the city later that year.[28]

How about the Russians?

My Russian friend had a Polish friend, they lived together in Europe for 4 years when they have gone to Poland to her brother on wedding, he was held at the airport by 2 hours and interrogated as the spy, her relatives and parents have concerned him unfriendly, during wedding almost nobody talked to him, looked as at the enemy, funny that on tables there was a vodka "Boris Eltsyn", a year later my friend and the girl from Poland have broke up, here so, and you tell "friendly", it's not their fault that he is Russian?

Sorry, but it is a blatant pack of lies. Stop this dirty propaganda. Common Poles and Russians get on very well together. A Russian teacher of English once tought in my school, she had been welcomed very warmly by Polish teachers and pupils, and there were no tensions whatsoever.

I'm with pawian on this one. I guarantee you that Russians would be very welcome drinking partners on many a Polish rynek :)

Actually, we didn`t drink with our Russian teacher of English. :):):):) I only organised free English teaching resources for her, and she brought me publications with Russian music from Russia. Her name was Tatyana.

Some teachers are anal. Go with 'normal' folk ;)

Most are.


hmm, you think I should?

First, I have to decide if I am normal or anal.

Well decide quickly then :) It would be nice to have some Ruskies round the table.

If we aimed for any kind of equilibrium here, your Russian friend should have been shot or sentenced to 10 years of Gulag.

its funny all this hot air. I know some 100% patriotic,if not outright nationalist Poles who,hate what the Soviets did but have studied in Russia,worked with Russians and dont have a bad word for any of them baring Putin et al.

Putin rides a Harley....he must be ok.....?

He likes kittens and walks on the beach as well you know.....

It's not a pack of lies or dirty propaganda, seriously that what i've been told, you might not believe, but there is no reason no lie,

I wish very much that Poles and Russians can come to Poland or Russia and have good relationship... still there is some Nazis on both sides, also need more time to put the bad history in past... We need to start from some were....

What do you think lads that Russia should do?

This is "what you've been told". I support Pawian's views. Poles and Russians come along well, and as you have properly noticed "there are Nazis on both side", which is true, at least here on PF. Not in real life, rest assured.

Erm....you both know that "Nazi" acutally means member of the NSDAP, ja? I would be surprised to see living Poles and Russians between them! ;)

Nazi as a synonim to fascist.

Nazi stands for National Socialist. What are you thinking Soviets were? InterNational Socialist = iNazis! ;-)

And, KrakauerwurstBoy, don't tell me there was no Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

My Dad escaped Nazi-bombarded Warsaw only to fall in Soviet hands and he was almost executed down there in the Soviet occupied Poland. I'm very sensitive to such matters.

Bratwurst, the enormous luck of my Dad and of my Mum made my existence possible. I'm not a nationalist or a hater at all. Yet, sometimes I think even you could benefit from learning TRUE history, the history of people.

However it hurts your feelings.

Oh, go f*uck a goat!

PS: And no, there don't exist any National Socialists anymore....neither Germans, Russians or Poles.
Just idiots who think they know something when they stand beside an Iron Cross. They have all muddled brains.

Calling them Nazis is just wrong on many accounts....I know my peoples history better than you!

It is not the same, Soviets never said that the Russians are chosen nation!

Just to add some your comrades photo's from that time from the Russian forum...

I, as well as you, can be not agree with opinion of the author, but it isn't the basis for transition to persons

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This time I start regretting my Dad was helping German people against oppression just after WWII.

Pro_Svet: The Soviets were the chosen nation.


My Dad and Mum experienced the history personally, my Schwabischer Freund... Or shall I say Feind?

Do`t believe everything what people tell you because they might distort the reality for some reason, I don`t know what.



It is happening in real life.

It has just come to my mind what else Poles owe to Russians. I think it is a kind of respect. What do I mean?

Common Westerners, like Germans, French, American, British etc consider Poles unruly barbarians from the East. They know nothing about Poland and feed on old stereotypes of Polish poverty, anarchy and stupidity. What is worse, they are not interested to find out what Poland/Poles are like. Only a few individuals from western nations (BB, for example, :):):)), have a grasp of Polish reality through various media or even real life in Poland.

On the other hand, in a common Russian`s view, Poles are equal and the same as Russians. After all, we are Slavs from the same root and we do share certain similarities, starting from the language.

What is more, a lot of Russians consider us Westerners. A few years ago I read a story about a low-rank Russian official who went abroad for the first time and, commenting on the visible development and progress made by our country, said that it was what he had imagined rich Western Europe should look like.

In communism, Polish culture - books, films, TV serials, art, music - was known not only to Russian intelligentsia but also common Russians. Polish actresses or female singers are still remembered today.

Only Polish ballet was thought of badly.

Pawian, you're talking about stereotypes of others but you're making the same mistake by saying that we (means all of us) don't know anything about Poland.

As long as we won't learn how to discuss, nothing will ever change my friend (I hope you don't mind me calling you that).