Oder-Neisse is a geopolitical, rather than a legally binding concept! As the two rivers are a fixed point or natural landmark, they cannot be disputed other than by one side claiming the territory which they divide falls on THEIR side as opposed to other's:-)
The Federal Republic of a re-united Germany's borders are based solely on the Four-Powers Treaty signed by the US, Germany, (then not yet soon to become "West Germany"), France, and Russia in 1949, following Germany's official defeat in 1945 as well as the establishment of Germany's first post-war Constitution or "Basic Law" of 1947!
At that time, former East Prussia was ceded to Poland, hence Allenstein becomes officially Olsztyn, for instance and other once Nazi-occupied territories (the infamous "Ostlandgebeite") were returned, so to speak, to Russia.
Claims that POLAND "stole" aka expropriated formerly Polish lands later "stolen back" by the Germans would appear an historical absurdity, not to mention just plain ludicrous, if nothing else.
Polish will never give back that 25% of Germany that they stole. And ukraine will probably never give back that 45% of Poland that they stole either, ask Stalin why
Anna, you're once again missing the point entirely!
The Poles "stole" nothing which wasn't already GERMAN territory long prior to the modern era, roughly around the end of the 19th century:-) If anyone was doing the stealing, it surely wasn't the Poles; more than likely they were merely trying to reclaim lands which were rightfully theirs prior to end of the Thirty-Years War, much later taken over (for yet the second or even third time) by the Germans when Hitler officially invaded Poland in 1939.
I suggest you read up more on the legalities of recovering supposedly lost or stolen property, if and when the owner never had a written agreement, but instead simply relied on primogeniture on which to rest rights of ownership.
Germany lost those previously Polish territories as a consequence of starting the bloodiest war in history and treating Poles appallingly, and it was quite well-deserved. But that aside, it's nice that you want more land for your new Muslim masters.
Good point, that about Muslim masters. Actually, we Slavs should hurry up to save what can be saved and support separation of Lusatia from German Muslim Caliphate. That as minimum
Clearly the argument concerning Polish "mistreatment" of Germans is completely untenable, not to mention historically presposterous. I think we're all finally agreed on this point:-)
Questions of this kind, as it is title of this thread, would finally bring down Germany and those who consider themselves Germans. Just one more push on Poland and sh** of gigantic proportions would fall on Germany.
And what please is this disgusting display intended to indicate? If you're trying to show how the native Slavic culture of formerly "German" territory has supposedly been putrified through the onslaught of Germanic culture depositing her "excrement" after centuries of subjugation, you haven't completely succeeded:-)
Good point. But, its not only native Slavic culture and territory that were subjugated but actually native Slavs were assimilate into Germans. So, alright. Let us don`t drop big sh** on Germany. Plus, frankly, if we were to be honest, its Jews, Romans and Arabs who also took part in subjugation of those lands and we should then drop sh** first at Jerusalem, Rome and Meka. Then, considering that Constantinople legally also represent Rome, we should also drop sh** there.
But, considering that to be nasty and dirty work, let us refrain ourselves from sh**. Let us fascinate Germans with something else. What would you suggest, brate Lyzko (BDW, in Serbian Lysko = Lisko could mean `one who lick`. Guess what, he, he).
Shows how much Polish you (STILL DON'T) know, Crow-)))
"łyżka" = spoon LOL
As to how the word's functional use reflects its etymology, that's anybody's guess. Polish does though tend to be more "direct" than, say, English, where one either already knows the meaning or has to hazard an often incorrect guess, except if background info. is already apparent or known.:
Cf. below
"Friday" = piątek > "piĘĆ" or "the fifth" (..day of the week) "November" = listopad > "liście pad" or "leaves fall.."
Honesty Ziemowit, there are no connection between those two issues. Your namesake Piast would be sorely disappointed in you.
But there is - at least regarding the south of the country! Both events - acquiring Silesia and loosing the Lvov region by Poland - occured precisely in 1945 and were decided on the same conference. What is more to that, the reverse events - (legally) loosing Silesia and (legally and practically) acquiring the Red Ruthenia by Poland - also occured roughly at the same time, that is in the first half of the 14th century.
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Secondly I meant that attitudes of German and Poles towards their respective territories they have lost are not connected.
In fact, Polish-German territories apparently remain a disputed point, as there are seemingly some among us right here who dispute the current internationally accepted borders between the two countries:-)
Again, if Oder-Neisse isn't definitive enough, then what is, pray tell?
Shows how much Polish you (STILL DON'T) know, Crow-)))
sorry my friend. Don`t get me wrong. Must be that my translation of your nick name on the first sight actually rather telling more about what`s on my mind these days ;)
So, i see. Lyzko is from spoon? Interesting how Slavic languages have many similarities but also some words quite differ. In Serbian, spoon is `kašika`.
lizacz in Polish (lizak is a lollipop from the same root).
Yes, in Serbian is `lizac` and `lisko` is kind of diminutive.
Again, if Oder-Neisse isn't definitive enough, then what is, pray tell?
Yes, if Germans refrain themselves from question as it is title of this thread. But if the insist, then, ..... well, we would found something to unleash on them.
In any case, if they try to invade Poland, i would suggest that Poland gets Arkona and complete Rujan island as compensation.
Anyway, Lusatia should get independence immediately. Now. or, there should be established UN protectorate and then after Lusatians consolidate, state should get full independence.
Reading this thread makes me sick. It proofs that hate is taught at the dinner table. It goes back hundreds of years. I would think Germany would just be happy that their is a Germany after world war II. God help us all if their is a WW III, I bet their won't be a Germany after.
I suggest all of you take a DNA test, I find out just how much of you is what you think? Kind of like color.......... it only means something if you let it.
God help us all if their is a WW III, I bet their won't be a Germany after.
i tend to agree with you here. Britain, too. i am absolutely sure about that. Bill would come to queen and she would drop dead from brain stroke. And when i say Bill, i don`t mean Buffalo Bill but bill as invoice. Anyway, after queen drop, Britain would follow suit.
How things develop, title of this thread sound more and more nonsensical with every new day. You know which kind of mega-trend forming if we follow current development of situation? Regions of eastern Germany would in some, not that distant future, seek to separate from Germany and re-join with Slavic world. Regional tensions would rise dramatically. What is there for Poland? A lot of good. But, if we speak of new territories, i think, that`s excluded because, i think, when decide to re-slavicize, regions of eastern Germany would tend to form new identity in accordance with their deepest Slavic roots. That is the time when would Lusatia re-appear on the map of Europe.
i know that. i point on new and free Lusatia and some other new Slavic states in what is now eastern Germany, once when rest of the Germany turn into jungle.
...and maybe I like "lishak" instead of "lizaC", but nevertheless it's WRONG!! So you like to mutilate English, whereas Serbian must always be perfect??!
Approximate locations of some of the West Slavic tribes (around 9th-10th centuries) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/West_slavs_9th-10th_c..png/574px-West_slavs_9th-10th_c..png
