Lithuanians hate Poles?

So in other words it is pretty much guaranteed to be entirely objective, utterly unbiased and completely reliable.

I guess he meant local yellow press :D

and according to you it is completely made-up yeah, even if this is just 50 per cent of truth in it it is still a serious thing

I wouldn't say it is completely made-up, but given how a fair bit of the English-language stuff about Polish history is getting so bad (despite both 'sides' being able to contribute) and how so few Lithuanians speak Polish, the text is unlikely to present a neutral viewpoint or use particularly reliable sources (although I haven't checked the sources).

If you are aware that promoting race hate is illegal, why do you post in the way that you do?

Ironside, stop quoting Kurier Wilenski. This "newspaper" prints what AWPL says, and that has too much propaganda.

Where I'm prompting race hate? - are you posting again on booze?


that a point of view no propaganda

Oh yeah losing your ancient capital and half of your people's homeland to a foreigner and accepting it NO! Thanking them for it is completely sensible. Afterall there is no way that the people there have been influenced by Poland over centuries and are actually Lithuanians genetically that have been damaged by centuries of occupation. I wonder if the roles were reversed would Poland react like this? Say "yeah they took our capital and half our country, but that is acceptable because of a survey". I don't remember any of us (Lithuanians or Poles) just accepting Russian Empire as the new government when the Commonwealth was split. Maybe you just choose to ignore that this is a time when Lithuania just became free from Russia and now they should be happy to just give themselves over to Poland instead, so swap one overlord for another is a great solution in your eyes I guess.

Use the quote function next time.
That is what I'm talking about , you are so wrong on so many levels that I will came back to answer this one latter.

Two issues, it wasn't YOUR capital and they weren't foreigners !Let it sink in !
That is an example of your history - back of fiction mixed with BS and wishful thinking !
Don't blame you but it is time to think for yourself !

Wasn't our capital? Really? So Vilnius established by Grand Duke Gediminas before Lithuania even began associating with Poland and made it the Lithuanian STATE CAPITAL makes it not Lithuania's capital yeah that makes perfect sense. So Poland is not a foreign country to a Lithuanian because everyone knows we are EXACTLY the same in every shape and form, language, culture, tradition, genetics it is all exactly the same.

The territory included Vilnius, the historical capital of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Let that sink in :)

If they do, they are ungrateful. Poland saved their miserable assses for a few centuries. If not for Poland`s war effort, they would have been conquered by Russians in 16 century and today they would be fully russianised like Eastern Ukrainians.

In the same way the Poles should be grateful to the Germans.

:):):):):)

Sorry....

OK, what do you mean???

I'm laughing now :D well actually is a quite sad, !


In the medieval times there were no one capital, there were few castles used by a ruler. Wilno as a town and a city is an creation Polish and Lithuanian union.

Kazimerz Jagielonczyk made Wilno into his capital.


There were not Lithuanian state but Grand Duchy of Lithuania a country multi-ethnic from the start to the end! Ethnic ( as you understand them today) Lithuanians were always minority.


No because constitutions from 1791 accepted by both deputies and senators from the Crown and Grand Duchy of Lithuania made from Poland and Lithuania a one country !


Keep it but give all right and privileges to the Poles living there or your chauvinistic, narrow-minded and annoying attitude will cost


historical capital. Warsaw population 3mln people Lithuanian about 3,5 mln - let it Sink in!
(Bloody Samogitians from their backwoods ! )

Go get some history book and read when was Vilnius founded and when lithuanian-polish relations began.

That isn't any basis for today's borders.

Its very easy to think you are doing a country a 'favour' but they probably don't see it that way. The Russians and Germans could claim that they both saved Poland from each other, but would Poles see it that way?

There is sth wrong with your thinking.

When exactly did Germans save Poland from Russians so that Poles should be grateful? ???????

That is why, I still don`t understand this statement of yours:


You need to elaborate.

Who cares about few huts in the forest. I'm talking real town, son.


The only basics for today's border was the Stalin's decision !

I should think the Vilnius of Kazimierz Jagiellonczyk wasn't exactly Dubai.


You mean the decision of what was at that time the lawful government of Lithuania with the assent of the lawful government of Poland.

Mind you, perhaps you have a point. Why not give back Breslau, Oppeln and Stettin to Germany, since

No there were only few muslim!


You should reconsider your understanding of lawful because as it stands now you are contesting the Novembers Tribunal.


I miss your point here ! We are talking about discrimination against minority in Lithuania. I would think that for once you would agree with me but obviously few Poles aren't noble enough minority to be defended.

And not as many Poles either.


The way to defend a group of people is not to attack the territorial integrity and even the very capital of the country they are in.

Noticeable community already.


Generally speaking you are right but here we are faced with specific circumstances and very specific attitudes.

But not, however, a majority identifying as Poles.


Those circumstances are two neighbouring countries with some shared history who are both in the EU. If the UK and Ireland can get on without rancour, so can Poland and Lithuania.

Grateful to Poland? Protected Lithuania? Oh btw WE wanted to break the union in January 1429 Vytautas already had received the title of King of Lithuania with the backing of Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor, but the envoys who were transporting the crown were stopped by POLISH magnates in autumn of 1430. Another crown was sent, but Vytautas died in the Trakai Island Castle several days before it reached Lithuania. If you wanna talk later the then King of the Lith/Pol saw the bigger picture which you are missing Sigismund II Augustus, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania, seeing the threat to Lithuania and eventually to Poland made the union possible so please don't you dare declare that Lithuania is to blame for the destruction of our nations and that we should be grateful for losing our independence to the point that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth became simply Poland. Anyway everyone here should know that the Commonwealth fell because it destroyed itself from the inside believing at one point that being weak meant that nobody would attack it.

Russianised? That is just laughable you do realise that unlike Poland or Ruthenians Lithuanians are not slavic people and do not share the same language. That being said the Russians tried to russify us for as long as they have tried to russify you a nation much closer to Russia in terms of language which would be the bridge into inflicting a different culture. The fact is that Russians sent many colonists to Lithuania but they all failed and their failure is seen even today as Russian minorities are spread out all over Lithuania but are even smaller than the amount of Poles shocking isnt it considering that we have only been independent for roughly 20 years. So tell me if they could not silence our nationalism over the course of over a century and the effects of it were this small after additional half a century occupation then what would another century or even 2 centuries do? Ukrainians and Belarussians were in the Commonwealth and under Lithuania for much longer than they were under Russia yet they remained true to their identities. You might say that language is not important as Lithuanian nobility was Polanised over time that is true but the circumstances were different as becoming more Polish brought benefits to them but note that the peasants never became Polanised as it brought no benefit to them. Under Russia the same principle applies just that there is no benefit on either side. Besides Russia heavily cencored anything that would remind Lithuanians of what Lithuania is and it still didnt work.

Few huts? By middle 14th century, Vilnius already was a big city and a capital. How old are you to call me "son"?


Which is nothing but a propaganda


There were no poles until late 16th century.

Neither were Lithuanian!! Anyway at the time that would be subject of the Crown, not Poles !


I don't care about shared history they do not respect it much and change it to suit their fantasies. I care about Poles in this supposedly EU country. Yet nobody is doing anything about that.

I would like to know why ?


Clutching at straw ? Get real ! Without Poland your Duchy wouldn't had lasted a decade! I really wish that Poland choose Piast from Warsaw as a King.

However wishful thinking and past misgivings are not important here. The facts and history is as it is and in that Poland supported the Grand Duchy very existence.


eh? figuratively speaking, a big city ? I see you are speaking figuratively also.
The point is Wilno started to develop when Poland and Duchy enjoyed peace and trade, not before !


We already heard your lies. Fact in 1930' that wouldn't be called discrimination but we have 2012 .


Is that is extract from the Fairy Stories you call the Lithuanian history books. hahah!

Is that so?


Yeah, yeah, heard that many times from you. Fact is, only you and several more fanatics believe this.


This is extracted from your most dreadful nightmare xD

Wishful thinking eh?son